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the Pre may well be the last gasp of a dying company. It's like buying a new Chrysler. It may be the greatest car in the world (I mean, it's not, but you see my point :p), but do you really want a product from a company about to go under? Now maybe I'm wrong and the Pre is big enough to save Palm, but I don't think so. They basically have nothing else at this point, and as good as the pre looks, I don't think it wins enough market share (esp. when tied to sprint-only) to save the company.

Not a very convincing hypothesis. :rolleyes: In case you've forgotten - or maybe you're too young to know - not so long ago, Apple was, as many people thought at the time, also a dying company. That was before 1997 when a certain Steve Jobbs rejoined Apple. The rest is history!
 
The Pre's UI is amazing, the way they've designed the UI is impressive, they have some nice designers on their team. I think it even beats the iphone, hope Apple can step their game up. One thing from reading the Palm sites is the Apple hate going on there, never Apple is so hated:

http://palmgoon.com/
 
Yet again, it is not about SPECS. It is about the software. One of the greatest assets of the iPhone is its ecosystem (appstore and devs building great games and apps for the platform). 99% of the posters in this thread seem to be missing the point.

Come back to me when EA, Id, ngmoco + thousands of indie developers start making apps for the pre.

The fact is my friend, the sdk + appstore has left the competition in the dust. All these features (hardware or not) you have been listing means absolutely nothing. It is also why Apple has been focusing on attracting more and more devs to develop for the iPhone. Because they know, this is what matters.

"my friend." cool, dude. no need to get defensive. i love the iphone, just making some speculations on this new guy that seems like it really tried...

How can you not mention storage? I have 120 MB left free on my 2G 8 GB iphone. The most you can get on the pre is 8 GB. By all accounts, the new iphone will be 32 GB (and certainly not less than 16). This seems like kind of a big point to leave out.

The other thing is, the Pre may well be the last gasp of a dying company. It's like buying a new Chrysler. It may be the greatest car in the world (I mean, it's not, but you see my point :p), but do you really want a product from a company about to go under? Now maybe I'm wrong and the Pre is big enough to save Palm, but I don't think so. They basically have nothing else at this point, and as good as the pre looks, I don't think it wins enough market share (esp. when tied to sprint-only) to save the company.

I didn't mention storage because who knows what will happen. You're right, apple will most likely release a 32 gb version. be we don't know this for a fact, and a lot of people on this thread are giving me crap because i don't "know" for a fact what the palm will be like because it's not out yet even though there are videos showing how it acts.

and as a fan of apple, how could you say that it's unwise to buy from a company that could be dying? there was a time when apple was dying too, you know...

a whole slew of videos of the palm pre running on an emulator. gives a good idea of the features of the phone.

again, i'm not saying these videos look better than the iphone and i'm not saying they're worse. i don't want to step on any toes. i'm posting them for pure speculation.


also this particular one shows the contact syncing with facebook. very very cool stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90vbnYpumOw&feature=channel_page

Correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing around that is italicized. :D

GReat review though. One of the first on these forums that doesn't seem biased.

Thank you!! I tried to be as fair as possible. I try to be a realistic apple fanboy :p

and yeah, my bad. i italicized it in text edit but it didn't transfer over and i forgot to edit it in the post haha
 
The Pre's UI is amazing, the way they've designed the UI is impressive, they have some nice designers on their team. I think it even beats the iphone, hope Apple can step their game up. One thing from reading the Palm sites is the Apple hate going on there, never Apple is so hated:

http://palmgoon.com/

I just looked at that website, they crack me up! :D

Here is a screenshot... :rolleyes:
 

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I just looked at that website, they crack me up! :D

Here is a screenshot... :rolleyes:

You noticed the comments right? Seems hating on Apple and iphone is the popular thing to do on those other smartphone forums, from Windows Mobile to Blackberry to Palm, lol.
 
Apple are like the bright kid who is popular, good looking and witty who all the girls swoon over. All the other guys are as jealous as hell of him and can't wait to undermine and bully him at every opportunity.

As Oscar Wilde said The only thing worse than being talked about is Not being talked about. So it is so good that these companies are being eaten alive by apple so much- I love it.

We don;t know half of what apple has planned with the next iphone. OK they have pre viewed OS 3.0 but they are not going to reveal all their secrets.

Besides I honestly believe Palm will go down over patent infringments.

It s going to be one hell of an interesting summer and the lawyers will get very rich.
 
Apple are like the bright kid who is popular, good looking and witty who all the girls swoon over. All the other guys are as jealous as hell of him and can't wait to undermine and bully him at every opportunity.

As Oscar Wilde said The only thing worse than being talked about is Not being talked about. So it is so good that these companies are being eaten alive by apple so much- I love it.

We don;t know half of what apple has planned with the next iphone. OK they have pre viewed OS 3.0 but they are not going to reveal all their secrets.

Besides I honestly believe Palm will go down over patent infringments.

It s going to be one hell of an interesting summer and the lawyers will get very rich.


haha, very accurate simile. I know so many PC users that just hate apple and they don't know why. they've never used one so they don't know.

Apple has to release something great and i'm sure they'll surprise us with something huge.

Apple doesn't have patents on as much as you think. The very nature of patents is that you apply for something huge, like multi touch in general, and get something small like the way scrolling behaves. Like i don't think they have "pinch to zoom" patented or anything huge like that. just little things.

Some of the things we know apple has patents on:
Scrolling behavior: When you move your finger vertically on the iphone, it will only scroll vertically, even if you start to move your finger left and right. same with horizontally. BUT if you move it diagonally, you are free to move the page in any direction your heart desires.

Page Bounce Back: this is the best way i could describe it in a title. This is basically how apple allows you to scroll "past" the top or bottom of a page and then it bounces back. this is something that the Pre actually does and probably could get in trouble for.

Also, Palm has some patents that Apple actually uses. One being ambient light sensing and adjusting screen brightness to that light. I feel like Apple is like, "We're suing you for your page spring back!" and palm is like, "Well if you do then we'll sue you for the screen brightness infringement, and you have that on your iphone AND your notebooks"
If this is how it's happening, and i'm not a lawyer so i have no idea, then both companies need to think about which patents are worth it to them, which will be interesting.

note: i actually just found the article where i got all that info a while back, and it has some videos for explanation, although anyone with an iphone knows what i'm talking about.

here it is!
 
Page Bounce Back: this is the best way i could describe it in a title. This is basically how apple allows you to scroll "past" the top or bottom of a page and then it bounces back. this is something that the Pre actually does and probably could get in trouble for.

From what I've seen WM 6.5 will have a similar feature and I doubt Apple will sue anyone.
 
Those Palm Pre people hate Apple, lol. I was on their forums and i was disgusted

Someone asked what was the best MP3 player out, and only a few said the iPod Touch. literally. lol.
 
Reading some of the threads on this forum, I'd have thought the reverse was also true! ;)

Most people on this forum didn' give a damn about Palm until the Pre was announced. Most people on this forum defend the iphone. One the other smartphone forums they spend most of their time hating on Apple and the iphone, you need to go to the Blackberry Storm forum on Crackberry to see this, I was simply shocked.
 
Most people on this forum didn' give a damn about Palm until the Pre was announced. Most people on this forum defend the iphone. One the other smartphone forums they spend most of their time hating on Apple and the iphone, you need to go to the Blackberry Storm forum on Crackberry to see this, I was simply shocked.

People will always be hating on something different and unknown, be it an iPod, an iPhone, a Mac, a person who uses one. I see many windows fanboys/Apple haters coming on Apple forums bashing and I doubt there are Mac users doing the same on other forums.
 
I see many windows fanboys/Apple haters coming on Apple forums bashing and I doubt there are Mac users doing the same on other forums.

That made me laugh, any proof of this

you seriously saying that windows users criticise macs but mac users dont criticise windows

A fanboy is a fanboy, whether its Apple or Microsoft, they are just as bad
 
People will always be hating on something different and unknown, be it an iPod, an iPhone, a Mac, a person who uses one. I see many windows fanboys/Apple haters coming on Apple forums bashing and I doubt there are Mac users doing the same on other forums.

who cares enough o actually discuss it. this is the iPhone vs Pre thread not the 'wah' thread
 
Someone asked what was the best MP3 player out, and only a few said the iPod Touch. literally. lol.

That's a few more praises then the iPod Touch deserves. As a multimedia device, it's brilliant for watching movies, or using the app store... and that's about it. I had one, and sold it for an iPod nano because if ALL you use your iPod Touch for is playing music, it's a piece of junk.

Sorry to disappoint you, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and while the opinions of those on a macintosh forum are more likely to be pro Apple, that doesn't mean that everyone except Palm Pre users hate the iPod touch, it just means that Apple users are more likely to like it.

Oh yeah, and my major gripes with the iPod Touch: It's hard to navigate, too large, and very distracting to use while driving.
 
That made me laugh, any proof of this

you seriously saying that windows users criticise macs but mac users dont criticise windows

A fanboy is a fanboy, whether its Apple or Microsoft, they are just as bad

I was of the impression Apple users don't go bashing Windows on PC forums, the contrary does happen, glad it made you laugh though:)
 
Not a very convincing hypothesis. :rolleyes: In case you've forgotten - or maybe you're too young to know - not so long ago, Apple was, as many people thought at the time, also a dying company. That was before 1997 when a certain Steve Jobbs rejoined Apple. The rest is history!

Not a very convincing rejoinder. :rolleyes: Just because the Red Sox came back from down 3-0 to beat the Yankees in the 2004 playoffs doesn't mean I'd put my money behind a team in a 3-0 hole today.
 
The one big mistake that Palm has made is the keyboard.

Sorry Keyboards, well physical ones are so three years ago.

It instantly dates the pre as an also ran whether this is true or not. Most people won't trawl through the minutiae of the specs like us. They will go keyboard, nah.


And battery life and general 'snappiness' WILL be an issue if it does all that multitasking.

Sorry it sounds too good to be true. All we have seen is videos. Look at how un responsive the touch blackberry is for example.

Time will tell
 
Exactly! Who knows. Maybe it will be better. And it maybe it'll be worse.
And i never said i'm getting a pre! I'm totally waiting to see what apple releases and how the pre works out in the wild. I'm just speculating on what i've found and posted to see what the community i respect thought.

It just makes no sense, at least to me, for one to whine about how 'good' the Pre is or can be seeing it's not even released yet, on a Mac-related forum.
 
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