iPhone With Apple Pencil Support Could Launch 'As Early As 2019'

[millerjs86]

Article Link: iPhone With Apple Pencil Support Could Launch 'As Early As 2019'

What app is this???

 

[MRrainer]

I believe they can build better pencils now than the styluses (styli?) of 10 years ago.

There's principle and there's stubbornness.

I'm not saying I'd buy one - but I'm not ruling it out completely, either. It all depends on the implementation and the use-case.

 

[convergent]

I believe they can build better pencils now than the styluses (styli?) of 10 years ago.

Does this pretty much apply to anything?

 

[The Game 161]

Would need to be a lot smaller than the current pencil

 

[vahdyx]

I expected. Apple pencil works on iPad Pro but why not on iPhone X or X1. Most people don't need it but some people want it.

Exactly, I want it! Cannot wait.

 

[brucewayne]

You have to take Jobs statement in context - he is talking about needing a stylus to control basic features which was common on the phones and PDAs of that time.

The intended use of the apple pencil is completely different.

 

[Virinprew]

If Apple's big idea is reconsidering pencils for a f-ng phone, they need new ideas.

Thats like 3 lines in the keynote.

But that was 10 years ago. Things change and companies have to change or go extinct like Blackberry/WinMo.

 

[Tech198]

Please Apple. Give us an iPhone Pro and a Pencil to go along with the iPad Pro and be done with it.

The iPhone "pro" ? Another marketing name? No thanks... Just make bigger phones.

I expected. Apple pencil works on iPad Pro but why not on iPhone X or X1. Most people don't need it but some people want it.

That's what people said about the iPad *before* it became a Pro, but nothing really much has changed.... The pencil is still only for creative type people.

 

[Takeo]

steve jobs would never have let this happen

Steve was talking about the NEED to have a stylus as the primary input device on pretty much ALL devices at that time... because they were all so horrible and impossible to use otherwise. Not about an OPTIONAL tool for sketching, creating artwork, etc.

 

[Gmcube]

Do it.

I'm planning on going away from iphone for the first time and going with the Note 8 instead mainly for the stylus. If done right apple could bring me back with this. But it would need a way insert it into the phone, I don't see me carrying a pencil around separately.

Adding the headphone jack back would help a lot too. Or at least a second port to allow charging and listening via wired headphones.

 

[Chicane-UK]

The way Apple Implements it - probably. Gotta be able to charge $100 for those lost "pencils." But on Samsung Devices they have built in, hidden, holders for the stylist. Something I bet apple won't do.

If they don't have room for a headphone jack, they sure as hell shouldn't have room to store a stylus inside the case!

 

[Jsameds]

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Oh. The Note is popular you say.

What a joke

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You're charging it wrong. No, you are literally charging it wrong.

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Works great on the note phones, once Apple does it, people will say it’s magical or Apple did it first

 

[jb-net]

How about an Apple Pencil for the large Trackpad in the 15" MBP?

 

[jamezr]

Steve was a genius......but he wasn't right about everything...larger display phones and smaller ipads

Apple executives and current CEO Tim Cook have repeatedly avoided referring to Apple Pencil as a "stylus" over the years, with Cook commenting in an interview last year that "we launched a pencil not a stylus."

Just man up and admit it.......it's a stylus

 

[johngordon]

Remember when Apple was innovative and Apple fans gleefully accused Samsung of stealing all their ideas? Doesn't feel so good to be an Apple fan does it? Not only that Apple takes 2 or 3 yrs to use those "ideas..." and have the gall to still call them "innovative."

Which idea are you referring to exactly?

What exactly have Apple described as innovative?

Is it the stylus as a primary means of input on a device?
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Works great on the note phones, once Apple does it, people will say it’s magical or Apple did it first

Actually, there are usually more people on internet forums saying things like "once Apple does it, people will say it’s magical or Apple did it first" than there ever actually are people saying things like "Apple did it first".

Or maybe missing important nuances - of course the Apple Pencil isn't the first stylus. But it possibly is (one of) the first to offer such a degree of pressure sensitive control. Which presumably required some degree of innovation to achieve.

And the whole thing about Jobs quite is nonsense anyway - he obviously meant a stylus as a primary input device, whereas the Apple Pencil is specifically for more art / drawing based applications.

 

[kdarling]

You're charging it wrong. No, you are literally charging it wrong.

Does anyone make an iPad case that has both pencil and charging adapter storage? That would help.

OTOH, Samsung licensed proprietary Wacom technology where the screen sensing grid itself wirelessly powers the active pen. So there's no need to ever recharge the pen for a Note or Tab.

Re: Newton. A stylus (aka a dumb stick) is nowhere near the same tech level as an active pen.

 

[Cesar Battistini]

I wouldn't buy one! I guess for people who draw it's going to be great!
But for normal usage its just silly.
Samsung makes a phone with a huge hole for a pen. I don't think apple will do that!

They will make it actually useful, for the target audience.

 

[convergent]

I wouldn't buy one! I guess for people who draw it's going to be great!
But for normal usage its just silly.
Samsung makes a phone with a huge hole for a pen. I don't think apple will do that!

They will make it actually useful, for the target audience.

If they do make any kind of pencil, pen, stylus, stick, or whatever they want to call it, for a phone and they don't include a silo, then it will be a big mistake.

 

[kdarling]

I wouldn't buy one! I guess for people who draw it's going to be great! But for normal usage its just silly.

Depends on the person. Some normal people simply like to jot down notes. I used to draw and label project layouts before going to the hardware store. Basically the same as using a pencil and paper, but of course built into the phone, and can be stored for later.

Samsung makes a phone with a huge hole for a pen. I don't think apple will do that!

They're either going to have to make a silo, or include a case with one.

Not including a pen silo would be doing only half a pen phone implementation. Not to mention harking back to what Jobs said about "easy to lose" items

They will make it actually useful, for the target audience.

If there's no place to carry it so it's always available, it won't be very useful.

Many silos are also smart, and will automatically launch a note-taking app as the pen is being pulled out.

 

[Gmcube]

Phones are so thin now I don't know why anyone would whine about there being a hole. Its the logical thing to do if you're going to add full stylus support.

 

[antonis]

You are commenting out of context.

The discussion was that Apple introducing a pen, stylus, or more accurately an active pen, would be copying Samsung. When in fact they had one prior to the Note series, back when they produced the Newton.

I am well aware of Jobs not being part of Apple at the time, though I disagree with your assessment of why he brought up the Stylus during the iPhone introduction. A lot of what he said and did on stage was for effect and highlight a solution they had come up with for a past problem. As you touched on, the subject of Multitouch was new to most of the population, and a big concern was accuracy of a small touchscreen when compared to big fingers. And with that he (and Apple) had to discredit the idea that in order for people to accurately interact with such a device, that you would need a stylus.

I feel that you took his quote out of context, and I disagree that it closed the door for apple ever introducing a Pen device for iOS. Especially when Apple has tended to market their devices to schools, creatives, as well as people with disabilities. I doubt it would have been Jobs intention to deny others (artists, people who enjoy hand writing, people with disabilities, etc) from having a precise input device on their pocket computer. As with Cut-copy-paste, fast user switching (Mac), and other features later brought to Mac and iOS, they wait until the timing is right, or, when they feel they did the best job possible with bringing in the new feature.

Lastly, since you brought up Steve Jobs, It is not like he has ever said something was silly, stupid, or unnecessary, then later introduced it as a feature. Right?

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He said "who wants a stylus" didn't he ? One would guess this should be clear enough for anyone.

Regardless, you just keep confusing the usage of a stylus on an iPad which is unquestionably useful for creativity with the stylus on a phone. You don't need creativity on a phone, you need as much usability and as much mobility possible. That's what the phrase above was targeting at. SJ made clear that on an iPhone it's all about UI and s/w so you can use the only stylus "everyone has with him" (his words).

Different cases, different solutions.

 

[convergent]

He said "who wants a stylus" didn't he ? One would guess this should be clear enough for anyone.

Regardless, you just keep confusing the usage of a stylus on an iPad which is unquestionably useful for creativity with the stylus on a phone. You don't need creativity on a phone, you need as much usability and as much mobility possible. That's what the phrase above was targeting at. SJ made clear that on an iPhone it's all about UI and s/w so you can use the only stylus "everyone has with him" (his words).

Different cases, different solutions.

"Different cases, different 'Apple dictated' solutions" (needed to fix that for you)

You just explained why I'm not a customer of Apple any longer. This dictating of what they want, instead of what customers (I) want. You said, "you don't need creativity on a phone". That may be your opinion, but its not everyone's. Apple says, "you don't need touch or a pen/pencil/stylus/stick/etc. on your computer", so you need to buy an iPad if you want to use that. Why sell me one $1000 device when they can sell me two, or wait... three! Good for them... except no, thankfully there are other companies selling this stuff.
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Phones are so thin now I don't know why anyone would whine about there being a hole. Its the logical thing to do if you're going to add full stylus support.

They had to courageously remove the headphone jack, so not sure how they will find room for a hole the size of a stylus. (Even though Samsung managed to find room for the headphone jack, S-pen silo, expandable storage, curved display, finger print scanner, face scanner, iris scanner, dual cameras with OIS on both, and still fit it all into a water resistant case)

 

[saile]

The specialty of Apple for some time: integrate all functions of other manufacturers with 4 years of delay: NFC, OLED, pen, charge fast, charge wireless ... In 5 years they release an iPhone with a micro- SD or a dual SIM.


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[fischersd]

The specialty of Apple for some time: integrate all functions of other manufacturers with 4 years of delay: NFC, OLED, pen, charge fast, charge wireless ... In 5 years they release an iPhone with a micro- SD or a dual SIM.

Umm. Physical SIM's will be gone within a couple of years. You can have a half-dozen (maybe more) profiles loaded on your phone with an eSIM and toggle between them to switch providers. Hopefully they'll make it geo aware and auto-switching, so it just lands on the carriers when you travel, so you don't even have to bother going into your settings.

 

[code-m]

This is an Apple thing to do. Instead of being like Samsung where a pen is provided. Give the ability to add one, at a price, oh and only the Apple one.

I have tried the Samsung and Microsoft one, and I have to say that the Apple Pencil is a far satisfying experience. I have an iPad Pro with the Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil, I am not a Kood-Aid drinker, and I put every device Apple, Microsoft, LG, Samsung under scrutiny before I choose to keep it. I can say that the 2017 iPad Pro along with the Smart Keyboard and Pencil have opened up my productivity and creative world compared to my MacBook Pro.

If the Apple Pencil and hoping the Smart Keyboard are introduced into the next iPhone X series 1 (2018), count me in. The level of pinpoint accuracy a pencil offers far out matches even the most skinniest fingertips.

The question remains if I cannot obtain a launch day iPhone X series 0, I might wait till next year. Other than including FaceID and the bezel-less OLED screen the iPad Pro is perfect. The iPad Pro should be on an 18 month to 2 year update cycle. The A10X chip is slightly slower than the A11 Bionic, and most app developers have yet to use the full power of the A9 chip.

At this point the only reason I am looking forward to the iPhone X series 0 (2017) is for the dual camera in a manageable physical size, and some portrait functions on the front and rear.

Not sure if Qi Charging is possible on the iPad Pro, as it’s wireless charging tops off at 15W and the iPad Pro will take a long time to charge from empty.

I do not find the 12.9” comically large even when travelling, its dimensions and weight is smaller compared to my 13” MBP, and the screen tech along blows any Apple offered laptop out of the water.