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It’s not about getting or not getting on the way. It’s about having a super thick border around that makes it look quite dated, and I think for most people who are used to the thick boarder around, a tiny bit on the top won’t make any difference. Generally people who have had their hands on one have said they have not been bothered by the notch.

I believe this (as many iPhone desig features of the past) will to be a 3 stage thing.

1- I hate it
2- It’s growing on me
3- I love it.

Personally I think it looks pretty damn cool.

Never understood why people care how their phones look. I care more about form and function. If you want to argue more screen real estate is functional better then fine. But just to say it looks dated. Who cares? Obviously you and many other people, but again I for one don't really care how
You do realize the Apple Pencil is not a stylus right? Just like the pen on the Note is not a stylus. But if you want to go that route, I guess Samsung didn't invent it either, being that it was around long before the Note.

Yeah, ok. it's not a stylus. Sure. ;)
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All of Samsungs phones come from having insider parts supplier knowledge of every iphone prototype that will never be built. This is how the business works if you are buying parts from another company to help build your companies product.

The way Samsung does business is by stealing. Pioneer being the best of the mid 2000's for HDTV picture quality. Now who sits at the top with best hdtv's? How did this happen?

Samsung has a long checkered history of stealing Pioneers tv technology that it is using and tried to do the same thing to Apple with their own prototype phone designs. Samsung are nothing more then posers at best. You sit here on a forums talking about something you know nothing about.

Are you serious? You are still on the lame Samsung is ripping off all of Apple's ideas garbage? When it's clear it's not true and has never been true? And I hope you realize by your definition the original Mac OS and Concept was stolen from IBM. The IOS is basically a rip of of MS Surface Table. The iPad is a rip off of numerous other company's tablet ideas, etc. But wait, Apple doesn't steal ideas, they are innovative because they wait until technology and ideas that EVERYONE else has used for YEARS mature so they can do it "better."
 
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All of Samsungs phones come from having insider parts supplier knowledge of every iphone prototype that will never be built. This is how the business works if you are buying parts from another company to help build your companies product.

The way Samsung does business is by stealing. Pioneer being the best of the mid 2000's for HDTV picture quality. Now who sits at the top with best hdtv's? How did this happen?

Samsung has a long checkered history of stealing Pioneers tv technology that it is using and tried to do the same thing to Apple with their own prototype phone designs. Samsung are nothing more then posers at best. You sit here on a forums talking about something you know nothing about.

I will give you that there was a time years ago that Samsung was mimicking the iPhone. That time has long passed. There is nothing similar between Samsung's current line of smartphones and Apple's. If anything, Apple is chasing Samsung now in areas such as smaller bezels, OMLED, etc.. Competition is good and these two are definitely competing.
 
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Context is important. But when SJ made those comments, it was a spin of reality. Not to say that Apple didn't improve the touch experience, but he also made it the only option which stuck within the Apple ecosystem for quite a while. Now finally Apple realizes that maybe having more than one input device (other than your finger) has some advantages.
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Perhaps he figured that the only way to make people really understand how great touch can be was to go all in, so settling with a compromise would have been a risk. That's what it looks like to me at least.
 
No, that’s not how to charge a Pencil. The correct method is to use the wire with the provided adapter.
The method depicted on the picture is for a quick charge in case you can’t plug to an outlet and you need the Pencil to be functional within 15-30 seconds.
Hmm, mine dis-connects regularly and requires a 3 second plug in to work again. It stays paired, just not connected.
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3. a Stylus on a 3.5" phone made/makes no sense. But technology, phone size and consumer behaviors have changed a lot since Jobs made those comments.
I loved and utilized my stylus on my 3.5” Compaq Ipaq, 17 years ago. Sometimes you just want to scribble some notes down and have it OCR it later.
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There’s a big difference between needing a stylus to operate the device at all, and wanting a stylus because it’s useful in certain situations and for certain applications. I think it should always have been an option, just never a necessity.
13 of us agree. This isn’t a difficult concept. Make it an option.
 
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Providing a detailed drawing device while still improving upon industry-leading touch screen support is not the same as "making an iPhone user use a stylus".

The implication otherwise given in this article is at best unprofessional, bordering on unethical journalism.
Unethical?! Thanks, That made me laugh.

I'd hate to hear how upset you get over something that actually matters.
 
Former Apple CEO Steve Jobs was famously against launching a stylus for iPhones, during the original iPhone event stating: "Who wants a stylus? You have to get them, and put them away, and you lose them, yuck. Nobody wants a stylus."

I see the sorts of comments all the time and have to wonder if the re coming from absolute buffoons That have no idea what a marketing persons says has any reflection upon personal opinion. Jobs mentioned this, with respect to stylus, because the new iPhone didn't have any stylus supported.

A few years ago someone in Washington said something that amounted to: "You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you wish you had". This is fundamental concept in marketing, you market what you have to sell not what you wish you had or what your customers wish you had. You can't get up on stage and sell something you don't have, rather you get on stage to put your product in the best light possible, something Steve was a master of. For another Apple related example many of you might remember Steve up on stage trumpeting the Floating Point performance of IBM's processors. He did that to take focus off another possibly more important parameters which is integer performance was witch PPC sucked.

In a nut shel you can't say anything about Steves opinion of a stylus or his opinion that would result from experiencing modern technology. These statement just reflect poorly on the author, it is like pasting an "I'm an idiot" sign on your back.
 
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Hmm, mine dis-connects regularly and requires a 3 second plug in to work again. It stays paired, just not connected.
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I loved and utilized my stylus on my 3.5” Compaq Ipaq, 17 years ago. Sometimes you just want to scribble some notes down and have it OCR it later.
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13 of us agree. This isn’t a difficult concept. Make it an option.

I loved the iPaq. What a thing that was.
 
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Unethical?! Thanks, That made me laugh.

I'd hate to hear how upset you get over something that actually matters.
The problem here is that these authors are revealing to the world their overwhelming stupidity. It gets very tiring to listen to people that give to much credit to a marketing speech.
 
I see the sorts of comments all the time and have to wonder if the re coming from absolute buffoons That have no idea what a marketing persons says has any reflection upon personal opinion. Jobs mentioned this, with respect to stylus, because the new iPhone didn't have any stylus supported.

A few years ago someone in Washington said something that amounted to: "You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you wish you had". This is fundamental concept in marketing, you market what you have to sell not what you wish you had or what your customers wish you had. You can't get up on stage and sell something you don't have, rather you get on stage to put your product in the best light possible, something Steve was a master of. For another Apple related example many of you might remember Steve up on stage trumpeting the Floating Point performance of IBM's processors. He did that to take focus off another possibly more important parameters which is integer performance was witch PPC sucked.

In a nut shel you can't say anything about Steves opinion of a stylus or his opinion that would result from experiencing modern technology. These statement just reflect poorly on the author, it is like pasting an "I'm an idiot" sign on your back.

I think you are missing the point. Of course SJ was marketing... he was the master marketeer. Its just entertaining listening to people try to walk back what he said. Apple gets very dogmatic on something for years and then reverses course and suddenly its magical. And there is no one in Apple today that can do what SJ did.

The iPhone was a great device when it was announced, but it did nothing that hadn't been done before. There were already devices that did all that it did, and did it with touch. But SJ was able to bring the vision to the every day person, and make it easier for them to consume. And the App Store was eventually what put it over the top and created a new paradigm that prior smartphones didn't take advantage of.
 
The video and quotes of Steve often get rolled out whenever the Apple Pencil is discussed. However, in defence of Tim Cook, I think people are too quick to jump to those quotes/video.

At the time Steve made those comments in the keynote, pretty much all 'touch screen' devices were shockingly bad and pretty much unusable with just a finger - at least in the way we use them now. Most devices resorted to needing a stylus as the only reasonable way of interacting with the device. The iPhone changed all that, and Steve's comments were indicative of that shift in technology. Here'a device with a touch screen so good, so accurate, so responsive that you can use it entirely without a stylus, unlike 98% of devices on the market at that time. It was a game changer.

The Apple Pencil is an optional stylus. You don't need it. You can use the iPad Pro without the Pencil. But with it, you can write naturally or be more precise.

In that sense, I don't think Steve's comments are completely out of sync with the existence of the Pencil?

Thanks God finally I found someone with a smart thinking here.
 
This is not real, iPhone users do not want a stylus for their phone. If they did, they would have been buying up all the 3rd party styluses. This article is what you call click bait, and almost everyone here took the bait.

Question: if it's optional, why not? What’s the burden? It might make something easier to those who are willing to spend $100 on it, but it's not going to change anything to those who do not want it.
 
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Actually they did, long before the Samsung Note even existed.

Addendum.
The thing with the iPhone (when it was introduced) was the fact that they were trying to sell the Multitouch UI as the primary input device. While touchscreen phones did exist by that point, they were not widely popular, and Apple was trying to sell their interpretation of a touch UI to the masses. I think a Stylus would have given mixed signals.

I think Samsung bringing it back to the masses was Brilliant, and has great benefits on a small / modern device.

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The device on the photo is not a good example, though. This interface is nearly impossible to be used with fingers even if it is equipped with a touch screen. Steve was so clear with this during original iphone keynote, that he left no space for misinterpretations; it's not the touch screen alone, it's the UI that allows it to be worked with fingers.

Mobile UIs came a long way since then, so they are as usable as possible using fingers. Making a stylus for a phone is a stepback and definitely not so compatible to "apple's DNA" as Tim wants to repeat over and over and over.

Yeah, Steve is gone alright.

(regardless, that device was from an era where Steve was not in apple; just a hint)
 
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Apple is always testing prototypes and playing around with new things; they may have made some inquiries in this regard.

But launching a special new iPhone with a built in slot for a pencil? Apple is all about launching great new technology that empowers its users. This doesn’t fit. The screen is too small for artists to really want this, and handwriting recognition? Beyond niche. What new applications would be made possible by doing this?

If it doesn’t add any additional hardware costs, I could see them adding support for the iPad pencil to the Plus iPhone. But not a new Note style iPhone.
 
iPhone screens are now becoming just large enough for the Apple pencil... Who could have ever imagined using a stylus on a 2.8-inch display ... I'm looking at you i-Mate in the early days.. seems even they have called up with Touch as well now..

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Never understood why people care how their phones look. I care more about form and function. If you want to argue more screen real estate is functional better then fine. But just to say it looks dated. Who cares? Obviously you and many other people, but again I for one don't really care how

I think someone have to be foolish to underestimate the importance of a good design and the way it looks when it comes to mobile phone. There is a reason why Galaxy phones on the last 2 years have been doing so well. I think larger real estate display and smaller form factor is a much needed step on the right direction. I believe iPhone X VS iPhone 8 (which have not done so well) will be just a prove of that. Thick borders around the screen have been due to a technology limitation for the last decade and Apple is one of the last companies to embrace an almost all screen design but that does not surprise me because Apple is hardly first at anything.
Anyway, someone needs to experience the use of iPhone X before jumping into conclusion of the notch getting on the way. Sure there will be people who will hate it, sure will be people who will love it. I just can't see many people being bothered by the notch. Time will tell how much of a big deal that is for people. Me personally, if I didn't like something, I loose interest, don;t buy it, don't follow news about it, in general just don't care about it.
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iPhone screens are now becoming just large enough for the Apple pencil... Who could have ever imagined using a stylus on a 2.8-inch display ... I'm looking at you i-Mate in the early days.. seems even they have called up with Touch as well now..

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I think the reason why stylus was used on these "prehistoric" devices is not due to screen size but responsiveness of the display to touch. I think stylus makes much more sense on a small screens then large ones. But seriously, unless doing some really fine art work like drawing, what do people use the stylus for? I am using iPad pro for photo editing and have quite few photo apps but I have not even ocne thought I wish I could have stylus (I know I would if I wanted to) Maybe there will be future apps like Final Cut Pro X app on iOS or Adobe Aftereffects who could make me change my mind.
 
I expected. Apple pencil works on iPad Pro but why not on iPhone X or X1. Most people don't need it but some people want it.

u just answered your question. most ppl dont need it hence no need to have it. like sd card slot, NO need to have it just coz some may want it or use it

apple used to be this company that dont just follow what customer wants but to just do what others think its not a good idea and then only to realize they are right in the end. that what made them unique, innovative. if u ask what customer want, they will say a faster horse the quote that describe the old apple
 
Dear MacRumors, for the last time... a stylus is not Apple's pencil. A stylus is a primary input device - as in, the devices of the time couldn't be used without it. Apple's Pencil is an additional way to interact with the device, but the primary means of interaction remains touch.

Thank you for your attention.
 
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Another thing to lose. No thanks. And at Apple prices, that will be at least $50.00 every time you lose it.
 
The device on the photo is not a good example, though. This interface is nearly impossible to be used with fingers even if it is equipped with a touch screen. Steve was so clear with this during original iphone keynote, that he left no space for misinterpretations; it's not the touch screen alone, it's the UI that allows it to be worked with fingers.

Mobile UIs came a long way since then, so they are as usable as possible using fingers. Making a stylus for a phone is a stepback and definitely not so compatible to "apple's DNA" as Tim wants to repeat over and over and over.

Yeah, Steve is gone alright.

(regardless, that device was from an era where Steve was not in apple; just a hint)

You are commenting out of context.

The discussion was that Apple introducing a pen, stylus, or more accurately an active pen, would be copying Samsung. When in fact they had one prior to the Note series, back when they produced the Newton.

I am well aware of Jobs not being part of Apple at the time, though I disagree with your assessment of why he brought up the Stylus during the iPhone introduction. A lot of what he said and did on stage was for effect and highlight a solution they had come up with for a past problem. As you touched on, the subject of Multitouch was new to most of the population, and a big concern was accuracy of a small touchscreen when compared to big fingers. And with that he (and Apple) had to discredit the idea that in order for people to accurately interact with such a device, that you would need a stylus.

I feel that you took his quote out of context, and I disagree that it closed the door for apple ever introducing a Pen device for iOS. Especially when Apple has tended to market their devices to schools, creatives, as well as people with disabilities. I doubt it would have been Jobs intention to deny others (artists, people who enjoy hand writing, people with disabilities, etc) from having a precise input device on their pocket computer. As with Cut-copy-paste, fast user switching (Mac), and other features later brought to Mac and iOS, they wait until the timing is right, or, when they feel they did the best job possible with bringing in the new feature.

Lastly, since you brought up Steve Jobs, It is not like he has ever said something was silly, stupid, or unnecessary, then later introduced it as a feature. Right?

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Steve knew what people wanted in these devices; all he needed to do was survey the carnage of the PC scattergun approach to these pre-iPad table devices. You clearly still don't understand Steve was smarter than you, me and everybody, in every single thing we do. Steve knew what you needed better than you, yourself ever did/do/or will do.

Unlike Apple of today who have run out of ideas and who are copying everything that other manufactures have been doing for years.
 
All of Samsungs phones come from having insider parts supplier knowledge of every iphone prototype that will never be built.

Nonsense. They wouldn't have been given prototypes.

Supplying CPU and memory chips does not tell what a device looks like, nor anything about the software / UI. At the most, supplying a display could give a clue about size and usage.

I think the reason why stylus was used on these "prehistoric" devices is not due to screen size but responsiveness of the display to touch.

The touchscreens were mostly fine. A stylus was indeed used on most devices because of the small UI hit targets, because of small screen size.

Which is why most of us didn't use the stylus on smartphones except to type on the tiny on-screen keyboards, while normally preferring our fingernail or the cursor pad. By 2005-6, companies like Samsung were starting to include finger-friendly apps in their phones, as everyone in the industry knew that's where consumer devices were headed.

Stylii were also used because...

The discussion was that Apple introducing a pen, stylus, or more accurately an active pen, would be copying Samsung. When in fact they had one prior to the Note series, back when they produced the Newton.

The Newton just had a stylus, which is basically a thin dumb stick. It had it because it was one of a new group of devices which assumed that handwriting recognition was the way to go for input.

This also made using a stylus mandatory for Palm phone users at first.

I am well aware of Jobs not being part of Apple at the time, though I disagree with your assessment of why he brought up the Stylus during the iPhone introduction. A lot of what he said and did on stage was for effect and highlight a solution they had come up with for a past problem.

Exactly, it was showmanship. Jobs didn't mean there was no use for a stylus (or better, an active pen). Heck, even Apple soon sold stylii in their stores.

Another clever thing he did was to not show any other touchscreen phones; he only showed non-touch Blackberry clones with big frontal keyboards.

No way was he going to refer to the touch and multi-touch concept phones which had been shown everywhere inside the industry during 2006.
 
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