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iPhone X Face ID Again Unlocked With Mask, Even With 'Require Attention' Turned On
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Don’t even pay attention to them. Just haters waiting for ANYTHING to complain about.
LolI wear hobo gloves and mitten covers, one is going to have to work to get these prints
Your opinion. Let’s see how things are in 2 months.
So, you think FaceID is easier to spoof when TouchID can easily be spoofed with PLAYDOH?! Playdoh is pretty cheap these days! LOL
Call me when 3D printers are cheaper than a can of Playdoh!
Android is so secure that on some Pixel 2's it didn't come with the OS.
You cannot hack the phone if you don't include the OS. Smart move by Google.
(I hate to be this way because I am an Apple supporter and don’t want our only choice to be these spyware companies pretending to be tech companies, but Apple needs a serious wake-up call.)
Anyway...here I go...
How did anyone expect Apple’s AI team to nail face recognition security when they can’t even get a simple predictive keyboard to work?
Seriously, this is where Apple needs to spend some of its war chest. Build AI and cloud teams so it can compete. (And how about some innovation in the basic software too. And a decent laptop line. Oy. Come on Apple. The list is growing long, and this is how empires fall.)
Anyway...here I go...
How did anyone expect Apple’s AI team to nail face recognition security when they can’t even get a simple predictive keyboard to work?
Seriously, this is where Apple needs to spend some of its war chest. Build AI and cloud teams so it can compete. (And how about some innovation in the basic software too. And a decent laptop line. Oy. Come on Apple. The list is growing long, and this is how empires fall.)
I posted this a few pages ago...but this "hack" looks weird.
1. He (Vietnamese guy in video) barely moved his head when scanning for FaceID. (This is Apple's fault for not making the registration process more precise or harder.) He basically just scanned his forehead and upper face.
2. What is that saying in computer: garbage in, garbage out. These guys (in videos) are pros...they know how to trick the registration process.
3. Next when placing the phone in front of the mask...notice how firm his arm is...notice the exact distance he is maintaining his arm...AND notice how he moves the phone from up to down motion.
Basically, he registered his forehead and upper face (if at all)...and the phone unlock when it scans his upper face/forehead.
This is why previous attempts failed at hacking FaceID (see WIRED article). IF you register your face correctly, then this hack is a non-issue.
Anyone agree with me?
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Ok...and with Google being so big into AI, they cannot for the life of them make face recognition that cannot be faked with a photo??
With Google being so big into AI, they cannot for the life of them get bluetooth even remotely functional on their Pixels and Nexus??
With Google being so big into AI, they cannot get Google Assistant to even work properly on their Android Wear??
Silliness are the norm around here i see....
1. He (Vietnamese guy in video) barely moved his head when scanning for FaceID. (This is Apple's fault for not making the registration process more precise or harder.) He basically just scanned his forehead and upper face.
2. What is that saying in computer: garbage in, garbage out. These guys (in videos) are pros...they know how to trick the registration process.
3. Next when placing the phone in front of the mask...notice how firm his arm is...notice the exact distance he is maintaining his arm...AND notice how he moves the phone from up to down motion.
Basically, he registered his forehead and upper face (if at all)...and the phone unlock when it scans his upper face/forehead.
This is why previous attempts failed at hacking FaceID (see WIRED article). IF you register your face correctly, then this hack is a non-issue.
Anyone agree with me?
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Ok...and with Google being so big into AI, they cannot for the life of them make face recognition that cannot be faked with a photo??
With Google being so big into AI, they cannot for the life of them get bluetooth even remotely functional on their Pixels and Nexus??
With Google being so big into AI, they cannot get Google Assistant to even work properly on their Android Wear??
Silliness are the norm around here i see....
I agree completely. Be prepared to be be labeled a “Hater” by all those too young to remember when Apple gave a s*** about the end user, not the share holder. Most are too naive to understand what is actually broken at Apple.
And I hope that the public isn't foolish enough to believe that they should be concerned about the security of their phone because of Face ID. Maybe if you were a spy or a high ranking official there might be a tiny bit of thought given to this. To the tens of millions of X users, there is nothing to lose sleep over. You're not important enough for someone to go through all of the effort to access your phone.
I agree completely. Be prepared to be be labeled a “Hater” by all those too young to remember when Apple gave a s*** about the end user, not the share holder. Most are too naive to understand what is actually broken at Apple.
Yeah Apple didn’t have failures or half assed products during Steve Jobs era.
I use Google as part of my job, so I know Android has lots of holes.
WIth that said.
The Face Recognition you mention was Samsung, not Google.
Bluetooth functionality on its Pixel phones is not an AI problem, it’s a chip and software issue.
Google Assistant to work properly with Google wear is not an AI problem, it’s connectivity and software issue.
Yes, Google has problems too. Lots of them. I’m not a fan of the company, their ethics, or most of their products.
But here’s why it’s important we stay on Apple as both customers and as people who care enough to come to Apple community forums:
“Good enough” can win. It almost killed Apple. Good enough hardware, software, and operating systems. Apple was left fighting their old battles comfortable with their big margin, sexy hardware, but the world moved on. Gaming, office productivity apps, file compatibility, TCP/IP not AppleTalk, Thankfully, Steve came back.
But the same can happen again. The future is about AI, cloud data sources and software, and of course, apps blending with hardware for unique solutions, like AR and VR. It’s not about Jonny making everything thinner, caring too little about battery life, crappy keyboards, and user workflows and needs.
We need to stay away from the “whatabout those guys...” defensiveness. Screw Google and Android. Who cares. But Apple must be great unto themselves, and right now, in too many ways, they are not.
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They nailed it. This test doesn’t prove anything. No context and certainly not feasible in the real world.
Predictive keyboard? It’s pretty Damn good but it can’t read minds. The few issues lately are just bugs. I can confirm my own personal experience is the iOS keyboard is MILES ahead of Android, which I owned for 7 years before iOS. SO MUCH better typing with iOS.
Every jealousy girlfriend in the world have discovered already several ways to unlock their boyfriends iPhones.
and even with this story, they’d still need your face to make the mask to open the phone.
I the real world, 5 tries and you’re done.
Simply not a real world scenario and they provide 0 context for setup process, so I already doubt the claim. Even if they did do it, they had access to the user’s face to do it.
Should be if law enforcement ever needs into it. The FBI would totally manufacture masks based off of your face.
Apple never told anyone it's fool proof.
Also, you all have to keep in mind that now people (and many of them) are putting in a LOT of effort into showing that/how it fails. It's sampling bias at it's finest and of course you'd get more such results in return than you would expect from random chance.
I use Face ID like I used Touch ID. It is a nice, mostly secure way, to authenticate without entering my passcode. I use it so Joe Sixpack can’t pick up the phone and unlock it. If you’ve got a person or entity willing to spend $200 or more in addition to a good amount of their own time to try and get into the device you’ve got a bigger problem on your hands than Face ID and you should employ a long, complex passcode.
The FBI would only have 8 hours and 5 attempts to get it right. And we know nothing in the government moves that fast.
But is it possible to make a mask to open your phone? Maybe.
Probable? Not really.
Many apologies. I hear Windows phone is da bomb!
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And FBI can’t with fingerprints and playdoh?