iPhone X 'notch' not noticeable

[Raist3001]

But my point is you have to acknowledge the notch exists to even use the phone. You can’t ignore it.

Why do I need to know the notch exists in order to use the phone? It's the Tech under the notch that s doing all the work. In all cases, except video, I can and do ignore the notch. It does not get in my way at all. I may have issues with FaceID, but my phone is unlocked the moment I bring it into view. No thinking, just unlocked.

if you can’t ignore it how is it not noticeable?

The bridge of your nose is constantly in front of you, yet your eyes seem to ignore this information. The notch may be there, but your brain accepts the notch and its not noticeable in most day to day tasks. At least in my experience.

 

[eyeseeyou]

Why do I need to know the notch exists in order to use the phone? It's the Tech under the notch that s doing all the work. In all cases, except video, I can and do ignore the notch. It does not get in my way at all. I may have issues with FaceID, but my phone is unlocked the moment I bring it into view. No thinking, just unlocked.

Not questioning your personal level of notch awareness.

If you were to write out the steps it takes to use faceid to unlock your iPhone 1 or more steps would list ensuring the notch is in front of your face and at the top of the phone. You can’t simply bring your iPhone into view and then the notch disappears.

 

[Raist3001]

Not questioning your personal level of notch awareness.

If you were to write out the steps it takes to use faceid to unlock your iPhone 1 or more steps would list ensuring the notch is in front of your face and at the top of the phone. You can’t simply bring your iPhone into view and then the notch disappears.

Whats the difference weather a notch is in front of your face, or a bezel? The notch is a bezel for all intents and purposes. A short bezel with the display wrapping around it. I was never able to use my 7+ and have the bezel disappear.

 

[eyeseeyou]

Whats the difference weather a notch is in front of your face, or a bezel? The notch is a bezel for all intents and purposes. A short bezel with the display wrapping around it. I was never able to use my 7+ and have the bezel disappear.

So to you the notch is the only form of bezel that exists on the iPhone X?

 

[bushman4]

after awhile your eyes get used to almost anything. But some people are OCD when it comes to the notch and just can’t except it

 

[Phone Junky]

after awhile your eyes get used to almost anything. But some people are OCD when it comes to the notch and just can’t except it

Exactly. And some of these people that can’t accept the notch also can’t accept the fact that others aren’t bothered by, or notice, or focus on the notch. The notch bothers them, therefore IT HAS TO BOTHER YOU. They can’t understand how you can overlook such a huge(in their eyes) distracting flaw. A simple post explaining their point of view would suffice. But since other posters don’t see it their way, they make post after post after post in the same thread thinking they can convince others to be outraged by the notch.
I don’t get it and yet there have been daily threads on this, in my opinion, non-issue, since the day the phone was released.

 

[pastaman321]

Exactly. And some of these people that can’t accept the notch also can’t accept the fact that others aren’t bothered by, or notice, or focus on the notch. The notch bothers them, therefore IT HAS TO BOTHER YOU. They can’t understand how you can overlook such a huge(in their eyes) distracting flaw. A simple post explaining their point of view would suffice. But since other posters don’t see it their way, they make post after post after post in the same thread thinking they can convince others to be outraged by the notch.
I don’t get it and yet there have been daily threads on this, in my opinion, non-issue, since the day the phone was released.

I can't speak for others but I am certainly not trying to convince anyone that they should hate the notch, if it doesn't bother you that's fine, we all use our devices in different ways. I dislike the notched design as it is flawed in certain aspects when displaying content IMHO. (Yes I did own an X).

 

[Whoakapi]

after awhile your eyes get used to almost anything. But some people are OCD when it comes to the notch and just can’t except it

Apple used to be OCD about design.

 

[Raist3001]

So to you the notch is the only form of bezel that exists on the iPhone X?

It's the only bezel on the X that people seem to have issue with. What would you have if you extended the 'notch' left and right? What would then happen to the carrier, signal, and battery icons?

 

[ddrulez]

I think they should remove the notch or go with a better AR or a pinch to zoom how isn’t utilizing the notch.
It’s ok that some people don’t have a problem with the notch but some have problems with it.

The best thing would be to do something, satisfy both customer groups would be optimal, or I am wrong?

 

[raqball]

Exactly. And some of these people that can’t accept the notch also can’t accept the fact that others aren’t bothered by, or notice, or focus on the notch. The notch bothers them, therefore IT HAS TO BOTHER YOU. They can’t understand how you can overlook such a huge(in their eyes) distracting flaw. A simple post explaining their point of view would suffice. But since other posters don’t see it their way, they make post after post after post in the same thread thinking they can convince others to be outraged by the notch.
I don’t get it and yet there have been daily threads on this, in my opinion, non-issue, since the day the phone was released.

 

[pastaman321]

I think they should remove the notch or go with a better AR or a pinch to zoom how isn’t utilizing the notch.
It’s ok that some people don’t have a problem with the notch but some have problems with it.

The best thing would be to do something, satisfy both customer groups would be optimal, or I am wrong?

Why would they bother though, it's clear that Apple can put out flawed products and people will love them regardless cause they are "da best". Even on "tech" sites like this you have users so obsessed that the X is perfect and doesn't need any improvement. Apple might as well save the R&D costs.

I have no doubt that during the design the phase of the X all of the problems were pointed out but the response by the team leaders would have been along the lines "who cares, they will buy it anyway"

 

[eyeseeyou]

It's the only bezel on the X that people seem to have issue with. What would you have if you extended the 'notch' left and right? What would then happen to the carrier, signal, and battery icons?

I think you and I view the notch differently. The notch is a notch and the bezel is a bezel. The notch extrudes into the screen from the bezel almost like it was added onto it. It covers screen real estate in an unavoidable way unlike the carrier signal and battery icons which can disappear or be rearranged if needed much like how they are when you view media in full screen. The notch is always there covering part of the "5.8" screen.

I don't really have an issue with thinner bezels. They don't have to be non existent they just have to stay out of the way of whatever content I'm looking at on my device. So I'd suggest keeping the 5.8" screen or shoot make it a little smaller but moving to he cameras into a slightly thicker top bezel. Keep the top bar data as is or like how it is on all other iOS devices.
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I have no doubt that during the design the phase of the X all of the problems were pointed out but the response by the team leaders would have been along the lines "who cares, they will buy it anyway"

They must have the best product marketers on the planet to be able to sell the notch as a pro vs con. Lol

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Exactly. And some of these people that can’t accept the notch also can’t accept the fact that others aren’t bothered by, or notice, or focus on the notch. The notch bothers them, therefore IT HAS TO BOTHER YOU. They can’t understand how you can overlook such a huge(in their eyes) distracting flaw. A simple post explaining their point of view would suffice. But since other posters don’t see it their way, they make post after post after post in the same thread thinking they can convince others to be outraged by the notch.
I don’t get it and yet there have been daily threads on this, in my opinion, non-issue, since the day the phone was released.

There are those who repeatedly challenge those who dislike the notch in equal measure though, hence why topics have lengthy discussions. It’s not one way traffic from my observations. I don’t understand why people here feel the need to change others opinions on it either? It’s simply a marmite feature in Apples design history. People either like it or dislike it.

I think it looks crap but would it stop me buying an iPhone? No it wouldn’t, I’d just get used to it. My iPhone doesn’t have a notch though so I’m a few years away from this being a real world feature for me. Life goes on and all that. I don’t see a problem with discussing it though without everything being fluffy.

 

[Sir Ruben]

The fuss about the iPhone notch is baffling. How hard is it to see that the notch is nothing more than the thicker top bezel on a phone like the Galaxy S9 with a cut-out either side of the earpiece and camera to give you MORE screen. Because of this design, your status icons are pushed up out of the way into a space that is un-usable on the Galaxy S9 due to the bezel continuing either side of the earpiece.

Then when it comes to videos in landscape they stop BEFORE the notch so you don’t even see it unless you ZOOM in on the video.

Maybe I see things differently because I am left handed, but I see the notch as giving me MORE screen, not LESS.

 

[eyeseeyou]

Security doesn’t have to define a good user experience, it has to protect the user, Face ID establishes that. You’re conflating.

My original post was questioning how the notch is needed improve the user experience. Instead of answering my question about improving the user experience you bring up why security is important.

Cool.

Since you keep mentioning I'm conflating I'll stick to what my original question was about, not security, and assume since you didn't actually answer it that you feel it doesn't actually improve the user experience.
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Maybe I see things differently because I am left handed, but I see the notch as giving me MORE screen, not LESS.

Getting more screen would imply that you're getting more than the 5.8" screen real estate that Apple is advertising when in fact the notch is taking away from that 5.8" screen since it Permanently extrudes into the 5.8" area.

 

[raqball]

There are those who repeatedly challenge those who dislike the notch in equal measure though, hence why topics have lengthy discussions. It’s not one way traffic from my observations. I don’t understand why people here feel the need to change others opinions on it either? It’s simply a marmite feature in Apples design history. People either like it or dislike it.

But there is one glaring difference... Most of the hate is from non owners. If someone really had the X (hard to tell as its easy to say someone had it but never really did) and didn't like it then cool...

I've never had a Plus phone because they are just to large for me. I do not however inject my thoughts on the Plus being to large into every single Plus thread in existence... They chose the Plus for their reasons and who am I to slam a phone I've never owned. Sure I've played with a Plus in store and I've seen video and photos but..............

Its almost like some think Tim Cook is going to read their post and think --> Dang, user_1203 is not going to buy an X because of the notch. I've read 473 posts from them about the notch. --> Picks up phone and makes a call to leadership team --> Tells them to cancel the X and stop production immediately because user_1203 is unhappy with it..

I am all ears to actual owners thoughts on the X. I am all ears to rational and adult discussion of the notch, even from non owners but that not really possible most of the time as you are well aware. We've had this discussion before and I agreed that the price you pay for it is to high and I would have passed on the X as well if I were looking at the price tag you see. The notch, in my opinion, is not a reason to pass on it as the majority of users will be unaffected by it after they've actually use it for a while

My .02

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

But there is one glaring difference... Most of the hate is from non owners. If someone really had the X (hard to tell as its easy to say someone had it but never really did) and didn't like it then cool...

I've never had a Plus phone because they are just to large for me. I do not however inject my thoughts on the Plus being to large into every single Plus thread in existence... They chose the Plus for their reasons and who am I to slam a phone I've never owned. Sure I've played with a Plus in store and I've seen video and photos but..............

Its almost like some think Tim Cook is going to read their post and think --> Dang, user_1203 is not going to buy an X because of the notch. I've read 473 posts from them about the notch. --> Picks up phone and makes a call to leadership team --> Tells them to cancel the X and stop production immediately because user_1203 is unhappy with it..

I am all ears to actual owners thoughts on the X. I am all ears to rational and adult discussion of the notch, even from non owners but that not really possible most of the time as you are well aware. We've had this discussion before and I agreed that the price you pay for it is to high and I would have passed on the X as well if I were looking at the price tag you see. The notch, in my opinion, is not a reason to pass on it as 95% of users will be unaffected by it after they've actually use it for a while

My .02

I’ve disagreed with you on this a few times as I don’t believe people not in ownership of something should be put off voicing their opinion on why they didn’t buy a particular product.

There are some who really hate the notch and I don’t get that either. I don’t think it looks finished but it serves a purpose and I’d get used to it. There are those who don’t accept criticism of the notch too and they are just as bad for the direction threads go in. It’s an aesthetic at the end of the day and how this is received is subjective whether a personal owns an X or not.

 

[pastaman321]

But there is one glaring difference... Most of the hate is from non owners. If someone really had the X (hard to tell as its easy to say someone had it but never really did) and didn't like it then cool...

I've never had a Plus phone because they are just to large for me. I do not however inject my thoughts on the Plus being to large into every single Plus thread in existence... They chose the Plus for their reasons and who am I to slam a phone I've never owned. Sure I've played with a Plus in store and I've seen video and photos but..............

Its almost like some think Tim Cook is going to read their post and think --> Dang, user_1203 is not going to buy an X because of the notch. I've read 473 posts from them about the notch. --> Picks up phone and makes a call to leadership team --> Tells them to cancel the X and stop production immediately because user_1203 is unhappy with it..

I am all ears to actual owners thoughts on the X. I am all ears to rational and adult discussion of the notch, even from non owners but that not really possible most of the time as you are well aware. We've had this discussion before and I agreed that the price you pay for it is to high and I would have passed on the X as well if I were looking at the price tag you see. The notch, in my opinion, is not a reason to pass on it as the majority of users will be unaffected by it after they've actually use it for a while

My .02

Obviously most of the dislikes comes from non-owners (and some ex owners !!), why would someone buy/keep a device they don't like the look of ?? This really goes with out saying.

Some users have extreme issue with anything negative posted about the X even if it is put forward in a logical manner and they bring absolutely nothing to any topic other than everyone is a "hater", this isn't a dig at any member but an observation of the general trend here.

 

[raqball]

I’ve disagreed with you on this a few times as I don’t believe people not in ownership of something should be put off voicing their opinion on why they didn’t buy a particular product.

There are some who really hate the notch and I don’t get that either. I don’t think it looks finished but it serves a purpose and I’d get used to it. There are those who don’t accept criticism of the notch too and they are just as bad for the direction threads go in. It’s an aesthetic at the end of the day and how this is received is subjective whether a personal owns an X or not.

Like I've said in the past, I don't mind it when an actual owner or someone who's obviously owned one (easily determined by post history) having an issue with the notch. If they don't dig it, they should know within the 14 day return period.

I've had discussion with many over the notch, some are reasonable and others not so much. Where is the line drawn between dislike and hate? Disliking it is one thing but some of the postings, in every thread X related in existence, is a bit odd..

I don't like the Plus because it's to big but do I post my thoughts on the Plus in every thread there is? nope.. Not a fan of the iPad but I don't post why I am not a fan of it in every iPad there there is.

Can you find a single X thread where notch hate has not found it's way into it? There is no way for X owners to discuss the phone without having to wade through negativity after negativity after negativity..

If someone does not like it that's cool and they should move on with their life and get what they want. They can then spend their time discussing what they own and helping other owners in the process...

My .02

 

[Raist3001]

I think you and I view the notch differently. The notch is a notch and the bezel is a bezel. The notch extrudes into the screen from the bezel almost like it was added onto it. It covers screen real estate in an unavoidable way unlike the carrier signal and battery icons which can disappear or be rearranged if needed much like how they are when you view media in full screen. The notch is always there covering part of the "5.8" screen.

We certainly see the notch differently. The notch is a bezel. It's a bezel that was shortened because it is currently needed for the true depth camera and sensors. If we did not get the shortened bezel, we wold have gotten a full bezel like any previous iPhone that would have contained the true depth camera and sensors. With the shorter bezel, the display can now wrap around in order for the Carrier and battery icons to be off of the main viewing area. We get more screen, not less. The bezel (notch) does not protrude from the phone. You wouldn't say that the bezels of previous iPhones protrude from the top of the bezel. I am sure apple could have shortened previous bezels as well around the speaker and light sensors, and expanded the diapkay and given us a 'notch'.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Like I've said in the past, I don't mind it when an actual owner or someone who's obviously owned one (easily determined by post history) having an issue with the notch. If they don't dig it, they should know within the 14 day return period.

I've had discussion with many over the notch, some are reasonable and others not so much. Where is the line drawn between dislike and hate? Disliking it is one thing but some of the postings, in every thread X related in existence, is a bit odd..

I don't like the Plus because it's to big but do I post my thoughts on the Plus in every thread there is? nope.. Not a fan of the iPad but I don't post why I am not a fan of it in every iPad there there is.

Can you find a single X thread where notch hate has not found it's way into it? There is no way for X owners to discuss the phone without having to wade through negativity after negativity after negativity..

If someone does not like it that's cool and they should move on with their life and get what they want. They can then spend their time discussing what they own and helping other owners in the process...

My .02

For a response to this see my previous post as I’d be repeating myself too.

 

[raqball]

For a response to this see my previous post as I’d be repeating myself too.

You are only taking into account what you want though and that's where you are loosing me at least. I agree with some of what you said, other parts? Not so much.. Expressing an opinion is one thing but..........

 

[eyeseeyou]

We get more screen, not less. The bezel (notch) does not protrude from the phone. You wouldn't say that the bezels of previous iPhones protrude from the top of the bezel.

1. Technically “We” get more screen in the way that Apple advertises it from corner although the thicker, “notch” area of the thinner bezel that wraps around the entire screen absolutely makes the notch area unusable as far as viewing media is concerned. We could’ve got more or the same amount of screen simply by making a thicker top bezel and putting the sensors in it similar to the s9.
2. I wouldn’t say that the “chin” and “forehead” of previous iPhones extrude from the bezel because they have straight lines and no “notches” extruding from them. They’re simply thicker sides of the bezel.

We call the notch a notch because it’s a notch going into the 5.8” screen.

notch
näCH/
noun
1.
an indentation or incision on an edge or surface.
"there was a notch in the end of the arrow for the bowstring"

This arrowhead at one point resembled a triangle until the notches were cut into it.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You are only taking into account what you want though and that's where you are loosing me at least. I agree with some of what you said, other parts? Not so much.. Expressing an opinion is one thing but..........

Which part of what I said do you disagree with? The non owners being allowed to voice an opinion or my own opinion on the notch?

We are all on Mac Rumors because we own iPhones of some form. The X was the biggest design change since the iPhone 5 and most people were looking forward to it. Who are you to lay down the boundaries of what qualifies people to join in on discussions? There are plenty of positive threads on here about the X, but this is the second I know of where you are moaning about negative views. The first was a thread about why people had skipped the X, a thread that in its very essence invites differing views. Now this one that claims the notch is invisible. Surely threads like this will attract debate rather than full agreement and high fives all round?

There are lots of people who don’t care because they didn’t buy the X, that’s pretty much everybody I know personally. There are people who are interested in future iPhones and who are a little miffed with the recent effort so here we are. The notch is a defining feature that is appreciated by some and disliked by some. I appreciate you love it and all but this is the first iPhone I know of that has divided opinion so much on here and elsewhere. Discussions are not always going to be lovely and fluffy.