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iPhone X was the #1 smartphone when it comes to unit sales in Q1. Follwed by iPhone 8, then 8 Plus, and then finally iPhone 7 in 4th place. I think that’s really all you need to see when it comes to how dominant Apple has become. People will continue to hate while customers continue to buy.
 
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The original poster has a point though, bestselling doesn't necessarily mean best product. Android outsells iOS five to one, after all.
And even taking into account the price range, claiming something is the best without any qualification whatsoever doesn't mean much.
As I said above, best selling is objective. Best is subjective. What is best can go around and around in circles (and usually does).
 
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"Excuses" doesn't really disprove his point, that is, with hundreds of millions of users a lot more bugs will be discovered in a software if 5-10 millions of people use it.
Um, did you ignore the rest of the post? There are more than just glitch and stability issues. But overall user experience issues.

Plus, Apple doesn't only make iOS, their other software has a tiny market share and has also gotten worse with bugs and user experience over the years.

So, it is just an excuse because it can't apply across all of Apple's operating systems, but only iOS.


I didn't use Macs over PCs during the past 20 years due to the perception of a better user experience because it had a tiny market share, but because things like UI design, stability, user friendliness, and intuitiveness were apparent from me using it.

If MS said "the perception of the poor user experience of our OS is due to millions and millions of more people finding bugs", I would have just called this excuse bull too.
 
as numbers can be looked at in a variety of ways, I'm just spinning here both sides

Looking at the numbers provided here,

Apple had the highest individual sold devices. top 4. But those top 4 devices only accounted for 12.2% of worldwide smartphone sales for the quarter. And the iPhone X, only accounts for 4% of the worlds smartphone sales.

Is this what was expected or not from Apple? That's the only real question. did they expected iPhone X to be another supercycle or did they expect only 4% of the sales to be the X. (we honestly aren't able to answer this as we're not accountants for Apple).

just doing a compilation of many of the rumours we've heard about the iPhone X's sales, it's still possible that While being the #1 SELLING phone, that they expected still to sell far more of them. At the end of the day, the iPhone8 with a combined sales of 21.13 million devices still outsold the X by 5.13million units.

is the iPhone X a "failure"? anyone who claims this is nuts as it still brought in profits and Apple still maintained their financial goals. But, did it sell as well as Apple originally hoped? that's a statement that is impossible for us to say, however based on rumours prior, I don't think ti sold as well as they had hoped (hoping for anothersupercycle which did not come)
Given than CA was just within Apple forecast...

Hypothesis 1 : Apple expected more market share gain on android with high end devices. Then, @ $1000 per device they will only need ~1 000 000 more sales (+6%) to exceed their forecast, so marginal market share gain, and thus highly unlikely to be a reason to be called a failure within Apple.

Hypothesis 2 : Apple expected weaker 8/8+ in favor of X, but no market share gain on android. So $200 to $300 more per phone, which translate into 4 000 000 more iPhone X sale (+25%), or 20 millions in total to beat the guidance. But then the relevance of the 8/8+ would have been questionable, so unlikely too IMHO.

All other hypothesis, like gain on lower end models, or a combination of these, will lead to an increase in iPhone X sales within the +6% to +25% range to exceed Apple CA guidance.
All in all, it is hard to find something that correlate to the production being halved like some analysts reported, or even to think Apple see it as a failure.
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Like I said, it's not a complete failure. It's just not as good as hoped.
I would have said “not a complete success”, as it seemed far from a failure to me.
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actually. with only 4% of the worldwide phone sales, while it's the best selling single phone. Statistically it would be saying that 96% of the world opted for a phone that wasn't the iPhone X.

so the numbers actually show that 96% of the world doesn't think the X is the best phone
I am not going to discuss what phone is best because it is a matter of opinion.
About the 4% to 96% point, think about the difference between minority and relative majority in politics. Often, opposition try to confound the later with the former to strengthen their view... So if a sale translate into thinking the chosen phone is the best, then the iPhone X will be designated the best phone with a relative majority.
 
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It’s no surprise the 8/X line-up can’t match that, but this fall will be four years from the 6 and the super upgrade cycle should hit again.
IIRC the 6 was also the first iPhone to be officially sold in China in a Q2 after its launch, wasn’t it?

Since the unit sales in the 6s and 7 launch years are nearly equal, I don’t think that there are upgrade cycles responsible for the lower sales. Last year we were speculating about people waiting for the iPhone 8 being responsible for the “weak” (compared to the 6) iPhone 7 sales, so 2018 should have already been the next big upgrade cycle. And people who skipped the X will probably also do so this year and wait for the iPhone XI (or whatever it’s called).

But that is just my personal opinion, let’s see wat happens and discuss again in a year. :)
 
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At 15.6% of the market, Apple is a long, long way from being dominant.

I’d much rather be in Apple’s position, continuously having the most bought and sought after devices, along with all the profits and developers. If you want to push a bunch of junk buy one get one free phones for the sole purpose of advertising, have at it Android. They can have the bottom feeders.
 
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I’d much rather be in Apple’s position, continuously having the most bought and sought after devices ...

At only 15.6% of the market, that statement holds absolutely NO truth.

Furthermore, the remaining 84% of smartphone owners or bottom feeders as you like to call them, realized ya' don't need a $1,000 iPhone to send messages or watch over your social media accounts which is what 98% of all smartphone owners do with their phones anyway.
 
At only 15.6% of the market, that statement holds absolutely NO truth.

Furthermore, the remaining 84% of smartphone owners or bottom feeders as you like to call them, realized ya' don't need a $1,000 iPhone to send messages or watch over your social media accounts which is what 98% of all smartphone owners do with their phones anyway.

Of course it does. The X, 8, 8 Plus, and the 7 were the top sold smartphones through the first quarter. There’s no other smartphone that sells better than the iPhone. Again, if you want to be on the platform that specializes in garbage ad machines, feel free. I have no issue with that, but I know what business I’d rather have.
 
Apple can confidently just keep making everything more and more expensive because people are just going to keep buying it. I don't like their tricky way of releasing a new, super high end expensive product, and then eventually discontinuing the old, regular priced one (i.e. still super expensive compared to other brands). This way, they avoid people complaining that Apple raised the price, while also effectively raising the price. For example, the Retina MacBook Pro and USB-C MacBook are all much more expensive versions of the older products they replaced. The iMac Pro, iPhone X and iPad Pro could easily become the next in line to replace their regular counterparts, resulting in a more expensive lineup. Hopefully the iPhone SE remains a strong product for Apple.

Good for people who can afford to pay double the price of a mid-range laptop for a phone, but I hope Apple will keep making affordable devices.
 
I am not going to discuss what phone is best because it is a matter of opinion.
About the 4% to 96% point, think about the difference between minority and relative majority in politics. Often, opposition try to confound the later with the former to strengthen their view... So if a sale translate into thinking the chosen phone is the best, then the iPhone X will be designated the best phone with a relative majority.

yes. Sorry, i was trying to be snarky with using that logic there. wasn't being serious. was making a silly counter point to something.
 
At only 15.6% of the market, that statement holds absolutely NO truth.

Furthermore, the remaining 84% of smartphone owners or bottom feeders as you like to call them, realized ya' don't need a $1,000 iPhone to send messages or watch over your social media accounts which is what 98% of all smartphone owners do with their phones anyway.
And one can buy a car for $10,000 or $500,000. Both get you from point a to b. Correct?
 
At only 15.6% of the market, that statement holds absolutely NO truth.

Furthermore, the remaining 84% of smartphone owners or bottom feeders as you like to call them, realized ya' don't need a $1,000 iPhone to send messages or watch over your social media accounts which is what 98% of all smartphone owners do with their phones anyway.

Why do you think many apps are released for iOS first? Why do iPhones come without preinstalled bloatware? How are users able to get timely software updates?

Not all users are deemed equal. Apple has aggregated the best spenders within their ecosystem. And because of us, Apple will continue to have an outsized influence when it comes to attracting developers and OEMs to support the platform.

It doesn’t take a genius to see how this results in a virtuous cycle for Apple and its stakeholders. All because of the leverage Apple has despite its smaller market share.
 
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Why is it important to analysts, or even for Apple, that the X is the most popular iPhone? It's the most expensive model smartphone that they sell. When is the most expensive version of ANYTHING also the expected bestseller?

Sounds like analysts expectations are completely unrealistic. Besides that, the fact that Apple sells only high end devices, with massive profit margins, means that even if more people were buying the iPhone 8, Apple would be hauling in a major net profit. I could say the same about the iPhone 7 that's still being sold. Component costs are lower for that device because they paid off their R&D on that device ages ago. Anyway, this doesn't matter, because the X outsold the iPhone 8, 8+, 7, and 7+.
 
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I was on the fence when purchasing my new iPhone. Switching from at&t to verizon gave me the excuse to buy a new phone to replace my 6, and due to price, I was pretty much headed toward an iPhone 8.
But when push came to shove, I decided to take the risk with the X for what I saw as a relatively insignificant monthly cost difference.

I was surprised at how different the X is from my 6, or my company-provided 7. Took a bit, but not much, of getting used to. After using it for a couple of months, I can safely say that it was the much better choice for me.
I find the swipe gestures, FaceID, screen quality, screen size, camera quality, and call quality to be well worth the price of admission.

I hesitate to even bring it up, but the angst expressed by some over the notch is puzzling, at best.

Using the 7 (work phone) gives me a daily comparison between the two interfaces. To me the 7 is still a fine phone, but given the choice I would have an X for work as well.

As a shareholder, I’m pretty happy with Apple’s recent results. But then, I generally am.
 
Interesting to see though, the 8 was quite a bit more popular than the 8 plus and the 7 is still way more popular than the 7 plus. Also the X is smaller than the plus models. Are people losing interest in massive handsets?

I believe so. The X is the right size for a lot of people. Right in-between the 8 and 8 plus. 8 too small, 8 plus too big, X... just right.
 
actually. with only 4% of the worldwide phone sales, while it's the best selling single phone. Statistically it would be saying that 96% of the world opted for a phone that wasn't the iPhone X.

so the numbers actually show that 96% of the world doesn't think the X is the best phone

A shame for consumers it's so expensive.

That's why there are lower priced alternatives to everything, mostly. But if consumers like AND want it badly enough, many will figure out a way to save up / earn enough to buy it. These are then so-called aspirational products. They exist at many different price levels and each level entails work and patience if done in the usual way, earning it. A consumer might buy a used low priced iPhone, like the OS but realize it's a little slow. May upgrade to a newer model which is snappier and pretty darn good. But if he/she like the newest flagship, and price is just not as much of a barrier as it once was (graduated, new job, raise, success, investment like Apple paid off and the dividend buys his X (happens!), then Aspiration is achieved. The next aspiration may be a new fridge (priced one recently?), a new car *cough* Porsche, a new house, a new whatever.

If one calls that consumerism, may be true. But many different ways to feel good and be good.

So people buy Plus phones based on size? So if the Plus models stopped people would go to Samsung even though if they prefer iOS instead of Android?

Yes, they do in many parts of the world. In APAC (Asian-Pacific) large format phones are very popular because smartphones are the primary media consumption device for most rather than be stuck at home with a stationary computer or flat screen. Also, many large formats were bought by first or second smartphone owners who didn't grow up with the gradual size increases, so there is no tradition of using a smaller phone and being comfortable with it. For many cultures, the expression of wealth in having and showing off with a device or object is part of the ownership game. When the original large format Samsung phones and phablets came out, they proved wildly popular there. Apple played catch-up finally with the iPhone 6/6+ and satisfied a huge pent up demand for an Apple large phone. If Apple did not serve that market demand, a lot of potential Apple owners would move to whatever product meets their needs, and could be an Android product. Reverse would likely be true if Ndroid phones suddenly dropped large format as well.

In US, N. America, and Europe, cell phones of all types were our history for now almost 20 years so many of us still like smaller or medium sized phones for familiar or practical reasons, that's ok. But large phones still sell well and maybe are liked by cross section of gamers, media consumers, those whose eyesight is poorer, those that have no medium size tradition, etc.

I would love to have an iPhone again, but I can´t keep up with Apple and having to buy a new one every two iOS releases.

I know you now mean issues with iOS slowdown. IMO, do full backup, wipe, re-install original OS if possible, and then use the most stable OS you can get. IMO, NEVER upload a new iOS till you're clear it is stable. As for slowdown / battery issues, if phone is 6 or newer, then upgrade to iOS 11.3 and check battery life, adjust peak performance setting to your liking, no if problems still, get new battery and recheck.

At 15.6% of the market, Apple is a long, long way from being dominant.

At 15.6%, yes, iOS is a small player in the entire market. BUT, at 15.6% of the entire market by unit sales (roughly quarterly or annually), it is the number two maker following Samsung with 23-24% (and Samsung losing overall ground). Oweing to the fact that Apple only sells in the upper mid (SE at $349+) and high end (all other Apple phones), and has ASPs of $650-798/quarter, Apple does dominate this important price tier completely, bringing in more revenue and importantly more profit (85-90% of the entire market, not just high end) and everyone else (re: Samsung and all other Android makers) fights for the last 10-15% to split among about 4 majors (Samsung, Xiaomi, Huawei, Vivo/Oppo) and purportedly 200-400 other small-tiny makers by volume.

Yes, all those Android makers do make up and sell the other 84% of smartphones by volume, but individually, those volumes trail off quickly and are tiny comparatively, only seeming large in aggregate.

Here's a couple of examples: during I believe the 3rd or 4thQ, 2017, Samsung's best selling line by volume was...not the S8 or 8+, but the Galaxy J2 Prime, a "cheap" $120 phone selling well in India, Middle East, and Africa, primarily on cost, which is fine if people need it. LCD, 8GB, older MediaTek CPU, minimal profit because of its cutthroat price competition, but a lot of them sold. Eventually if you remember, the S8/8+ did sell decently due to price adjustments, discounts, bundles, and BOGOs to get out the inventory before the S9 intro. Overall, industry estimates stated the S8/8+ combined for 45M sales in its sales year.

The same industry research firms (Canalys, Counterpoint, etc.) say The Apple iPhone X sold 29M units in 9 weeks availability in Q4 2017 (out of a total of 77M) and sold 16M in Q1 2018 (about a 5M/month clip) and already matched the 45M Galaxy S8 series sales in only 5 months of availability by itself, with no help from iPhone 8/8+ sales. If this holds true, as of end of May 2018, the iPhone X would have sold a total of 55M units and counting. Assuming a slowdown as newer models are readied and anticipated (normal), we might say the X will sell, conservatively 12M in June Quarter, and 8M in Sept. quarter, allowing for a shorter 47-48 sales year. Total sales for the X could then be 65M units, well short of the "100M" originally ordered but cut back on.

Is that a failure? Less than hoped and planned for (by Wall Street and uncharted waters for Apple) but if Apple annual sales stay flat at 210M units, you had the X make up 31% of sales at ASP of $1050 or better. Couple that with 8/8+ which combined are higher than the X contribution AND also have high ASP than the previous 7/7+, I think we can see some positives for Apple and their first foray into the "premium" market. Apple has learned from this experience and has adjusted its orders for upcoming models appropriately.

Samsung would dearly love to have such a failure but has already warned that despite the S9 launch, will have a tough go of it, mobile division wise, in coming quarters (see last two earnings reports).
 
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