I sure hope so
A minority buys the plus models, true. But where do the sales go if the plus models stopped? Some would go to Samsung, for instance.
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iPhone X Remained World's Most Popular Smartphone Last Quarter Despite Concerns About Poor Sales
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A minority buys the plus models, true. But where do the sales go if the plus models stopped? Some would go to Samsung, for instance.
So people buy Plus phones based on size? So if the Plus models stopped people would go to Samsung even though if they prefer iOS instead of Android?
Wether iPhone X is the best or not, that doesn't change the fact that iOS has a lot to improve in iOS 12 to keep many people where they are, starting from notifications. They're such a mess compared to how Android handles them. Furthermore I think that many great things, specifically designed for iPhone X and forward full gesture-based devices, are yet to come and unfortunately delayed to iOS 13, which leds me to believe that we have yet to see the full potential from the supposed upcoming and redesigned iOS based on these new devices.
The iPhone is my prefered choice for the software:
1)Stable and makes sense
2)Secure/Privacy
3)I rather use as little as Google products/services as I can.
We need a 3rd player in the game.
1)Stable and makes sense
2)Secure/Privacy
3)I rather use as little as Google products/services as I can.
We need a 3rd player in the game.
I think so. I feel like it’s a dying fad and as tech eventually returns to hopefully a much less prominent part of our lives, phones will become less intrusive and more compact/discreet.
[doublepost=1525455900][/doublepost]Not surprising at all to hear this. It’s been my favorite iPhone by far, hasn’t lost its appeal.
Excuses....
Besides, the Mac market share has not increased that much, but the Mac OS has really suffered over the past few year.
I can just go by my own personal use and experience and not just on what is reported to see the difference.
And I am not talking about bugs only, but also user friendliness, easy of use, speed and smoothness.
Features aside, do you really think that the user experience on Apple's software has stayed the same or improved lately?
Not an appropriate (Or relevant) comparison at all to a movie compared to the iPhone X.
When someone goes to Watch a movie, they do _Not_ have an expectation of knowing what the movie will be like until they watch the whole movie to make a judgment. We already know Apple makes quality hardware, the consumer knows they have 14 days to make the return if they were not happy with it to begin with. But I’m also willing to believe the acceptance rate of the iPhone X is far greater than the return rate is, given most are likely pleased with the new form factor, Face ID and overall experience.
I would love to have an iPhone again, but I can´t keep up with Apple and having to buy a new one every two iOS releases.
Yes it did. I couldn't imagine going to back a version previous than iOS 7. On the Mac side, nothing major changed for me so I won't comment on that.
To be fair though, the 7/7+ were the only iPhone flagships at the time. The 8/8+ were always going to take at least some of the sales, the question was just a matter of whether they would take most.
I mean iOS updates makes them so slow that is a pain to use them after 2 years. If you don't update then yes, they last for 5+ years.So this is ONE analyst ‘guessing’ the shipments of iPhone X vs the endless endless reports of Apple slashing the X component orders, even KGI admitted to ‘lower then expected’ iPhone X sales...
I take THIS analysts guess with a pinch of salt as the alternative opinion has far more weight to it.
It’s utterly ironic and hypocritical when members on here will claim analysts stating the iPhone X hasn’t sold well, and even reports from the supply chain itself, as bogus and made up, yet those same people are more then happy to proclaim ‘analyst guesses’ like this report as the God given truth and it proves all the other analysts are wrong...
I take THIS analysts guess with a pinch of salt as the alternative opinion has far more weight to it.
It’s utterly ironic and hypocritical when members on here will claim analysts stating the iPhone X hasn’t sold well, and even reports from the supply chain itself, as bogus and made up, yet those same people are more then happy to proclaim ‘analyst guesses’ like this report as the God given truth and it proves all the other analysts are wrong...
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Yes, standard versions are more popular than the Plus versions. The 7 Plus was unusually popular, probably because of the big camera improvement and maybe for a few because of the extra RAM, but it still wasn't as popular as the 7.
In standard video mode showing an entire 16:9 video, the 8 Plus has a way bigger picture than the X, about 20% bigger. In chopped video mode, the X is close to the 8 Plus, but much of the video is chopped off because the screen isn't a 16:9 screen.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/The...one-8-and-8-Plus-video-binge-edition_id100136
To me the X is more like a long version of the 8, where the bezels have been removed and made into screen space.
The same will be true for the XI (or whatever its called), and therefore is best as a replacement for the standard series iPhones.
In contrast, the XI Plus (or whatever it's called) is best as a replacement for the Plus series iPhones.
Look at the sales numbers. The new iPhone 6 (inkl. 6+) sold 61.2 million units in the same quarter and even the not-so-new iPhone 7 38.9 million... Idk why they call the current generation a success, 8 and X combined are the worst selling ‘new’ iPhone generation for years. The X is barely selling above the level of an s-Update (iPhone 6s sold 14.2 million units in Q2 2016).
The records are earnings and those are set by increasing retail prices to make up for the reclining sales numbers. Not necessary something to be happy about as a customer.
They can. However design specs build a 36m longevity into the basic premise of unhindered operation.
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So this is ONE analyst ‘guessing’ the shipments of iPhone X vs the endless endless reports of Apple slashing the X xomponent orders, even KGI admitted to ‘lower then expected’ iPhone X sales...
I take THIS analysts guess with a pinch of salt as the alternative opinion has far more weight to it.
It’s utterly ironic and hypocritical when members on here will claim analysts stating the iPhone X hasn’t sold well, and even reports from the supply chain itself, as bogus and made up, yet those same people are more then happy to proclaim ‘analyst guesses’ like this report as the God given truth and it proves all the other analysts are wrong...
This applies to most products today. It's all reverted back to Tribal Mentality.
They can. However design specs build a 36m longevity into the basic premise of unhindered operation.
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This applies to most products today. It's all reverted back to Tribal Mentality.
Haha so so so true..
I have never claimed it’s a ‘flop’, but I certainly don’t buy any of this ‘record setting’ balony! Now if they made a bezelless 4.7” model and called it the SE2 then I think they’ll break some records. I’m hopeful we may see that in the next two months.
You're quoting made up numbers. Apple has never released those unit sales, so fake news from someone. What is on the record that the latest March quarter was the best ever--that's what's called a record setting number. But, like they say, whatever helps you get through the day when you are constantly facing great news from Apple. It's got to hurt as their revenue and profit just keeps rolling in when you're wishing for their demise. If it makes you feel better, word has it that Apple is getting complaints from the banking industry that they've run out of room to store all Apple's cash.
No reason to blast anyone, but plenty of room for simple disagreement.
General Motors doesn't expect Cadillac to be its best-selling line in terms of units sold (and it isn't). Chevrolet takes that prize. Cadillac exists because there are consumers who can easily afford to spend more, and like what they get for the extra money. It's an "aspirational brand" that the upwardly mobile hope to afford some day. Every time GM sells a Caddie instead of a Chevy, GM has a win - more revenue per unit sold, and higher profit margin as well. And if Cadillac is a bit too expensive for a particular customer... there's still Buick. As long as consumers don't stray from the GM family, all is well. As long as the Cadillac division sells well enough to justify its existence, it's a win.
From my perspective, the notion that more people should have been willing to spend an extra $200-$300 is absurd. I think Apple succeeded remarkably by moving as many as they have. 44% of all current-year models sold! - enough to increase the average iPhone selling price by more than 10% year-over-year. Imagine the uproar if Apple had simply increased the price of all iPhones by 10%! No, they accomplished this solely by moving part of their customer base substantially up the price scale.
People buy for a variety of reasons. Owning the "flagship" is only one of them. If you look at the broader consumer products market, you'll see that the flagship model is rarely the best-selling - flagships contain all the bells and whistles, and that costs more money than most people are willing to part with. However, people do prefer to buy this year's model over last year's.
Perhaps the confusion with Apple is that, until this year, iPhone's new models collectively were considered flagship (6/6 Plus, 6s/6s Plus, 7/7 Plus). The Plus, despite it's better camera and larger size was treated as a variant, rather than a free-standing flagship. Had you considered the Pluses to be flagship, you should have been worried about Apple failing every year since the introduction of the Plus - the Plus has never sold better than the non-Plus.
Consider iPhone X as a second distinct line added to the iPhone new product lineup. In that sense, it's little different than having MacBook Pro with Touch Bar atop the laptop lineup, or iMac Pro (newly added to the iMac lineup). The 15" Touch Bar MacBook Pro does not sell the most units in the laptop lineup, and iMac Pro won't sell the most among desktops. It's the nature of the beast.
I don't mind criticism of Apple or its products. What I mind is:
- Drawing non-sensical conclusions (if Apple is releasing a direct successor to the iPhone X at roughly the same price point, then discontinuing the current iPhone X model after one year cannot mean that the concept has failed, in particular at a time when Apple is breaking many patterns in regard iPhone lineup with the simultaneous release of the 8 and X). And
- Doom-mongering by pushing an angle that you know has nothing to do with it (the 'less than one year' argument where the 'less' part as you know has nothing to do with discontinuing a phone before its initial cycle, which goes from September to September, has ended, but is due to initial production problems).
I love my iPhone X. I bought the 256GB Space Grey model. I'm on the iPhone upgrade program, and I can afford the payments, so I figured why not just get the best one? I knew iPhone X wasn't a flop. I think there are a lot of "analysts" who want Apple's products to be flops, and that's why they keep releasing reports using some spurious supply chain data that makes it looks like Apple's products are flopping. Every month or so, there's another FUD story about Apple, and legions of group think morons who believe it.
You don’y have to go far to find people who’s life desire is to see Apple fail. Most of them post here on MacRumors.
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And not one of my posts in this thread was ripping Apple or iPhone X... just offering another rumor, historical behaviors, etc to consider against the implication of this report. Yet, apparently I had to pay the price for you reading a bunch of stuff I did not actually write down into a few of my posts.
I made NO arguments about 2/3rds of expectations, etc.- just tossed another generally-accepted rumor into a thread that could be 500 posts of "see dummies, I told you so", "cue what will the naysayers say now", and so on. I explicitly disclaimed away an attack on Apple or iPhone X, even admitting I purchased an X myself. But then you need to blow things way out of of proportion to make it sound like I was some extremist arguing the X is possibly a flop, etc.
If I believe that at the extreme, how stupid am I for paying more than just about any other American for a maxed-out iPhone X... even stupider for writing down extremist hate after admitting I bought the very thing I'm bashing? Etc.
IMO, too many of us take anything short of Apple glee club or even worship personally... as if it's a crit of their own baby, spouse or S.O. All these posts- extremists or those somewhere in the middle are just consumers offering their opinions or asking questions. Whatever they say is their opinion. To each his own.
That said, I still offer up the same ideas for others to consider... still disclaimed by them NOT being about X being a flop or a hit, or that Apple is doomed or completely secure, or maybe God, etc. It's not often that "best seller" and "to be discontinued very soon" goes together in business.
Counterpoint rationale to the idea is interesting (when not blown out of proportion or twisted into entirely different points) but then there's those iPhone 6 & 7 models still for sale, when a superior 8 has replaced them too. It makes perfect sense to discontinue the X because a superior Xs or whatever will roll out, but it also makes perfect sense to keep the 6 & 7 models for sale long after a superior 8 has rolled out.
Re-offered to make people think, NOT claming Apple is the devil or only fools own an X. Signed, one of those fools who bought an X from the devil... and owns all kinds of other stuff from a doomed corp... and looks forward to buying more from them before they certainly fail.
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It is easy to overlook the genius of what Apple did this year. The competition will be really hurting come the Oct-Dec quarter. Apple maintained their lead in producing the best selling smartphones. They established the iPhone X as the world’s premier phone and as the tech leader based on Face ID. They then set a new high-end anchor price of over $1000. This year, they will introduce an even more expensive larger display OLED. But, they will also introduce a much less costly LCD X style, Face ID phone that will considered a real “bargain” at $700 or $749. This phone, considered a top of the line priced phone not long ago, will sell like crazy. That is what Warren Buffett sees. Further, if Apple introduces a smaller SE 2 in the X design, expect it to sell for the rumored $549 price point. They may even introduce two SE models (hence all the rumor confusion), one with a minor A10 update for developing markets priced at $329 or even $299, and an A11 X version ($549). If they do anything similar to this, sales will be through the roof. It is time to buy and hold Apple stock.
The table clearly shows the iPhone X sold vastly less than the iPhone 7 did a year earlier. It also shows that after 15 months on the market the iPhone 7 still managed to sell 25% as much as it's 1st qtr sales against the X, 8's & others. In fact it sold 1/3 as much the X & almost 1/2 as much the 8 over the same qtr. No way is the iPhone X going to sell 5 million units in Q1 '19, hell it won't even sell 4 million to match the 7 on percentage.
Fact is iPhone sales grew every generation until the current one of the X & 8's. If Apple thinks having a stagnated user base is a success then why are they making a more affordable X with cheaper components instead of just an 8s.
Fact is iPhone sales grew every generation until the current one of the X & 8's. If Apple thinks having a stagnated user base is a success then why are they making a more affordable X with cheaper components instead of just an 8s.