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It’s not about “blame”, it’s about the user experience obviously. That’s the purpose of a review.
Technically true.. I'd buy into that as well. I wasn't really meaning blaming developers. I'm saying the "blame" game would fall on the developers to update. However if the apps are older and no longer supported by the developer can't really yell at them to do anything either. It's definitely subjective like you said.. really about the user experience.
 
Where do you see it requires standing in the shade or holding closer than normal? Look at the gif comparing the touch id and face ID - the X is not being held close to the face.

From the article (emphasis added):

The Verge's Nilay Patel said Face ID "mostly works great," but he noted authentication was inconsistent in certain lighting conditions.I took a walk outside our NYC office in bright sunlight, and Face ID definitely had issues recognizing my face consistently while I was moving until I went into shade or brought the phone much closer to my face than usual. I also went to the deli across the street, which has a wide variety of lights inside, including a bunch of overhead florescent strips, and Face ID also got significantly more inconsistent.
 
From the article (emphasis added):

The Verge's Nilay Patel said Face ID "mostly works great," but he noted authentication was inconsistent in certain lighting conditions.I took a walk outside our NYC office in bright sunlight, and Face ID definitely had issues recognizing my face consistently while I was moving until I went into shade or brought the phone much closer to my face than usual. I also went to the deli across the street, which has a wide variety of lights inside, including a bunch of overhead florescent strips, and Face ID also got significantly more inconsistent.
That is called anecdotal evidence and it does not say "requires" moving to shade -- says he had issues while moving. Maybe he needed to stand still? Reading all of the reviews, the overall comments from the reviewers do not indicate any sort of major issue and it sounds like it works pretty much as well as touch ID.
 
Umm, where exactly do you see its "hit or miss"? Most reviewers liked it. No more hit or miss than greasy or wet fingers with touch ID.

Uh, from the article itself... The Verge's Nilay Patel said Face ID "mostly works great," but he noted authentication was inconsistent in certain lighting conditions. If I have to hold the phone and look like a goofy kid taking a selfie vs being able to open my phone at ANY ANGLE from ANY POSITION or EVEN AS ITS PULLED FROM MY POCKET....than I think it's a step backwards.

I’m not seeing that. Most of the reviews I’ve seen say it’s close to flawless and doesn’t make them miss Touch ID. When Touch ID first came out it wasn’t flawless either. One thing I am optimistic about is every review I’ve seen so far suggests unlock and swipe up to home screen happen simultaneously so there isn’t an extra step from Touch ID.

And how many reviews can you trust from sources that were paid, compensated, or monitored by Apple. These reviewers risk being blacklisted by Apple for future products if they produce a bad review. I will refrain from comments until after real world people get them.

Yes TouchID was buggy, BUT BUT BUT......you cannot deny the fact that TouchID provides the option to unlock and open the phone from any angle, any position, and when removing from the pocket before it reaches the view of your eyeballs, it's unlocked, on the home screen, ready to go. If I choose to open my iPhone X, I will DEFINITELY make a video proving FaceID is slower than TouchID. There's NO scenario where it's faster, NONE!
 
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Uh, from the article itself... The Verge's Nilay Patel said Face ID "mostly works great," but he noted authentication was inconsistent in certain lighting conditions. If I have to hold the phone and look like a goofy kid taking a selfie vs being able to open my phone at ANY ANGLE from ANY POSITION or EVEN AS ITS PULLED FROM MY POCKET....than I think it's a step backwards.



And how many reviews can you trust from sources that were paid, compensated, or monitored by Apple. These reviewers risk being blacklisted by Apple for future products if they produce a bad review. I will refrain from comments until after real world people get them.

Yes TouchID was buggy, BUT BUT BUT......you cannot deny the fact that TouchID provides the option to unlock and open the phone from any angle, any position, and when removing from the pocket before it reaches the view of your eyeballs, it's unlocked, on the home screen, ready to go. If I choose to open my iPhone X, I will DEFINITELY make a video proving FaceID is slower than TouchID. There's NO scenario where it's faster, NONE!

Save your video. Someone already did that. They posted a gif. Touch ID is about 2 milliseconds faster. Big whoop. As far as angles and holding phone to your face, that depends on whether you turn on the attention feature or not.
 
TouchID ...
Pro - Love just resting my finger on it and it opens. No need to look at the phone in front of my face especially as I am waking up. Lighting has no effect on outcome.
Con - If hands are not dry, it's difficult to open. When I'm also 3/4 asleep, I can unlock the phone without realizing. I have randomly clicked on things like sending gibberish emails/messages.

FaceID ...
Pro - Don't have to rest your finger on a button. Requires you to voluntarily pick up the phone and deliberately want to unlock it.
Con - Have to physically look at the phone now. You now need to do a non-resting action (swipe). Lighting will affect the response success.

I'm wrestling with this, but yeah perfect world would be to have both. But then you wouldn't be Apple if you weren't milking us.
 
Lol. Literally exactly what you should never do is not a 'non-starter'. iPhones are not shared devices. And certainly not shared so often that you would need to get in with Face ID.

LOL. Some people.

My wife and I both have each other fingers inputted on each others phones. There are countless scenarios of when this is very convenient. Loads. Your outright dismissal is juvenile, at best.
 
Getting used to an iPhone without a physical home button will take me two milliseconds.

Since 2011, I've used Android and Windows Phone without one with only a capacitive or onscreen home button. Apple needs to add a back action. Go ahead and copy others, Apple. Just make iPhones work better.

Samsung and Apple took so long. Half a decade while others from Google, LG, Motorola, Sony, Huawei, and many more were smart not having such an archaic physical home button that wears and tears.

Apple can add gesture controls for older iPhones on a future iOS11 update. Gesture control is software-based. I want them to add a gesture for double tap to sleep. I'm content with raise to wake.
 
Why? Appears like it works 99% of the time, just like with touch ID (which fails with greasy or wet fingers, or sometimes for no obvious reason). I don't see the issue, unless you constantly cover your mouth with a scarf or something. Most reviewers are quite happy with faceID.
I’d say it’s more mixed...I expected it to be a slam dunk....I can’t wait to try it out myself on Friday
 
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It looks easier and less annoying to set up than touch ID. And also stops the annoying issue of greasy or wet fingers. So I think it's an overall improvement and probably the future. The .3 seconds extra time to get to the home screen won't bother me.
Well, it takes me about a minute per finger to set up Touch ID on a new phone, so I never saw that as an issue.

As far as dirty/wet/sweaty fingers, yes, agreed (though Touch ID v2 is better with that than v1). As I said in the post you quoted, Face ID will be better sometimes. But so will Touch ID (odd lighting, face covered, walking as you unlock).

Which is why having both would have been ideal, so each can be used where the other is weak.
 
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Uh, from the article itself... The Verge's Nilay Patel said Face ID "mostly works great," but he noted authentication was inconsistent in certain lighting conditions. If I have to hold the phone and look like a goofy kid taking a selfie vs being able to open my phone at ANY ANGLE from ANY POSITION or EVEN AS ITS PULLED FROM MY POCKET....than I think it's a step backwards.



And how many reviews can you trust from sources that were paid, compensated, or monitored by Apple. These reviewers risk being blacklisted by Apple for future products if they produce a bad review. I will refrain from comments until after real world people get them.

Yes TouchID was buggy, BUT BUT BUT......you cannot deny the fact that TouchID provides the option to unlock and open the phone from any angle, any position, and when removing from the pocket before it reaches the view of your eyeballs, it's unlocked, on the home screen, ready to go. If I choose to open my iPhone X, I will DEFINITELY make a video proving FaceID is slower than TouchID. There's NO scenario where it's faster, NONE!


So you can trust the Verge because they had some issues, but anyone with positive impressions is a paid Apple shill? Ok.
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Add to that the extra step in opening the phone, swiping after face ID does recognize you. I can see this getting annoying after doing it dozens of times per day.
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That's a good point. When conditions are not optimal I find that touch ID fails a LOT, it's pretty much guaranteed to fail with even very mild conditions as you state. Although I share others fears about face ID being annoying, when put into perspective it probably won't have a worse fail rate than touch ID.


You can just swipe, and it’ll unlock after faceID recognises you - no need to wait for the padlock
 
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So you can trust the Verge because they had some issues, but anyone with positive impressions is a paid Apple shill? Ok.
No, it's showing cracks on the surface. 9 out of 10 is still 1 less. Even Verge themselves are paid, compensated, whatever. I STATED IN MY MESSAGE I WILL HOLD MY COMMENTS UNTIL REAL WORLD PEOPLE GET THE PHONE. Until then, this is nothing more than a marketing circus.
 
Most people probably wouldn't notice it, but I like the rounded corners of the OLED panel.
 
I don't understand how a split second difference in unlocking your phone means that much to you....Are you really always in that much of a heated rush to get your phone unlocked and at the home screen? I guess I just don't get how you can be in that much of a rush to get into your phone......first world problems I guess...

Uh, from the article itself... The Verge's Nilay Patel said Face ID "mostly works great," but he noted authentication was inconsistent in certain lighting conditions. If I have to hold the phone and look like a goofy kid taking a selfie vs being able to open my phone at ANY ANGLE from ANY POSITION or EVEN AS ITS PULLED FROM MY POCKET....than I think it's a step backwards.



And how many reviews can you trust from sources that were paid, compensated, or monitored by Apple. These reviewers risk being blacklisted by Apple for future products if they produce a bad review. I will refrain from comments until after real world people get them.

Yes TouchID was buggy, BUT BUT BUT......you cannot deny the fact that TouchID provides the option to unlock and open the phone from any angle, any position, and when removing from the pocket before it reaches the view of your eyeballs, it's unlocked, on the home screen, ready to go. If I choose to open my iPhone X, I will DEFINITELY make a video proving FaceID is slower than TouchID. There's NO scenario where it's faster, NONE![/
 
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So far it basically sounds like FaceID isn't as fast or consistent as the current gen of TouchID? That's... not particularly encouraging. Though maybe things improve as it learns your face more.

I just don't understand what problem FaceID is solving or how it will improve my user experience over the touchId.
 
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I don't understand how a split second difference in unlocking your phone means that much to you....Are you really always in that much of a heated rush to get your phone unlocked and at the home screen? I guess I just don't get how you can be in that much of a rush to get into your phone......first world problems I guess...
While I agree with you, take a look at a thread that is currently 1315 posts deep all arguing over the "delay" in the home button. LOL https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-interactions.2067278/page-53#post-25331008
 
That is called anecdotal evidence and it does not say "requires" moving to shade -- says he had issues while moving. Maybe he needed to stand still? Reading all of the reviews, the overall comments from the reviewers do not indicate any sort of major issue and it sounds like it works pretty much as well as touch ID.

Why are you so dogmatic in your defense of iPhone X? 'Maybe he needed to stand still?' You can't be serious. If Face ID only works well if the subject is stationary, that is likely going to be a problem.
 
Can bloggers please stop shooting outdoor photos and boasting about the quality. Outdoor photos with lots of sunlight has been good on every phone since 2007 and point and shoots long before that and is no longer representational of the quality of a camera today. If you can shoot in low light without focus issues or noise, then you have a good quality phone camera.

Hey look, I shot a photo outdoors on my phone that looks like every other photo shot on any phone in the last 10 years, but this one is somehow better because I paid $1000 for it!
No doubt that can be part of it.. but until you try this phone or actually own one( I own an iPhone 8 Plus.. Photos and video you get from these new cameras are much better than even the 6 series.. and have a few advantages over the seven series as well.
 
I don't understand how a split second difference in unlocking your phone means that much to you....Are you really always in that much of a heated rush to get your phone unlocked and at the home screen? I guess I just don't get how you can be in that much of a rush to get into your phone......first world problems I guess...

people are used to second gen touchID. Anything slower is a step backwards. First gen TouchID was great when it came out, but second gen is so much faster it makes it much more transparent to the user.
 
Why are the reviewers always people who seem to have no idea how to use the phone? I don't consider that to be a good review. I prefer people who already know how its supposed to work, so they don't waste review commentary on things that are the result of them figuring out how it works....or worse...drawing conclusions and still not knowing how it works.

Agreed and why are the gestures so complicated to some people? Every reviewer mentions this it seems.
 
Not wanting to be rude but is it possible Nilay's problems with FaceID are a result of him being brown? As an example, with strong light above him, it would darken out more of his features than the same scenario with a white skinned person. Hasn't it been said before that tech struggles with recognising black people? Its like having a black car, its harder to see its curves and features because of the colour.

PS: Don't hate, Im Mexican.
 
Agreed and why are the gestures so complicated to some people? Every reviewer mentions this it seems.
My take on the reviewers statements was that some of the gestures are different and take some relearning to forget the old gestures and learn the new ones.
 
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