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Do you remember that gorgeous SE2 mockup curve.de created?

Gimme.

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Well, good news, iOS 12 supports NFC access for third parties, so it's only a matter of time: https://www.techradar.com/news/apples-iphone-xs-has-a-game-changing-nfc-feature-even-when-turned-off
I hope so. I also live in a back-asswards state, so it may be 2 years lol! Then again AZ is one of the first states piloting electronic vehicle titles and mobile driver licenses. Also that useless ePaper license plate thing. We were also the first state to legalize cell phone insurance cards. So who knows? Hope the transit agency can catch up soon lol.
 
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Every review of the XS/Max cameras: "Incredible!" and "Best ever!" and "ZOMG"...

Every review of the same camera in the XR: "...is a very good one" and "...still produces some lovely photos" and "surprisingly handy"...

Perception begets reality. Everybody is gaga over the XS/Max, so naturally the cameras are astounding. Everybody's expectations are tempered for the XR, so naturally the same wide-angle lens is now "just good enough."
THIS.
 
Frankly, I've tried 3D Touch on my iPhone X and it's not as useful as I thought. Most iPhone users won't miss it on the iPhone XR.

I don't believe that to be true. Some users may not miss 3D Touch if they never truly understood how to use it in the first place or never knew it existed. But for those who actually know how to utilize 3D Touch, I believe that they would miss it on the XR. It really depends how familiarized the user is with 3D Touch, but I find it be a really useful tool once you actually know how to utilize it.
 
Still laughing at the pricing - $749 for the basic version of an "entry level" phone? Talk about about taking the piss!

But lots of people will buy it . . .
That $749 iPhone XR will be able to fetch at least $300 after 2 years if you sell it privately, I'd say thats a good investment when you look at total cost of ownership of a smart computer in your pocket.
 
Uh, virtually every low-mid range Android phone comes with a 1080p screen.
And they run Android, who cares?

I just saw a 50” 1080p TV for $200. You think it’s a good TV just because it has 1080p?

The iPad is 264ppi and the Xr is 326ppi. Most consumers don’t even understand 1080p or will care when they see it. Apple understands consumer behavior, clearly, and they are right.
 
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I think the XR is a great product. But honestly the reviews may be too glowing in this respect - the XR would be an awesome phone if the reviewers would willingly use it personally over the XS. I don't get the sense a lot of them would.

Yep, "most people should get this phone (but not me)" basically sums up this phone..lol To me, the big three on a phone is screen, processor, camera. Probably in that order as well with screen a pretty big weight.

I splurged on an LG OLED tv even though the other LCD tvs look pretty good. Certainly over the 10 yr old one I was coming from..any new tv was going to look good. But I also knew i'm hopefully going to keep this new tv another 10 years and so I definitely was sold on OLED.

And so if an average person who knows little wants to know which iphone he or she should get? It's easy to say the XS. This person will probably keep it 2-4 yrs. It's a 250 difference. Those crying about 250 are the same ones who will trade in instead of selling. Skip the apple care. Find a way to make it up. XS is a better size anyways. I'd rather go smaller to be honest but it's not an option.
 
Uh, no - that is now 2 years old. The new entry-level phone is the Xr, and at $749 the pricing is ludicrous. To say nothing of it being a downgrade in several respects from the 6S through the 8.
The Xr has an A12, same camera as the XS, an all new form factor, 6.1 inch screen, and cutting edge facial recognition.

To say it’s a downgrade from the 6S is comical. The only “downgrade” is the ppi from the plus models, which will be imperceptible and the new LCD will have better contrast, brightness, color reproduction, dynamic range, etc.
 
I don't believe that to be true. Some users may not miss 3D Touch if they never truly understood how to use it in the first place or never knew it existed. But for those who actually know how to utilize 3D Touch, I believe that they would miss it on the XR. It really depends how familiarized the user is with 3D Touch, but I find it be a really useful tool once you actually know how to utilize it.
It is still likely correct to say most users will not miss 3D Touch because in my experience most users do not use it.

I personally consider 3D Touch a negative. I gave it 3 months but could never learn to like it.

Did you not read the part where reviewers claim that you can't really even tell the difference unless you're looking at the XR side by side with the XS? I think the screen thing is blown way out of proportion.
Some reviewers claimed the same thing about 6 and 6 Plus but to me the difference is pretty obvious in some scenarios.
 
It is still likely correct to say most users will not miss 3D Touch.

I already acknowledged this point and there
is no quantitive data to support ‘most’:

Some users may not miss 3D Touch.

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I personally consider 3D Touch a negative. I gave it 3 months but could never learn to like it.

That’s fine that you don’t like it, but you can’t classify it as a ‘negative’ simply because it’s not something you prefer yourself. It is a useful tool for those who actually know to utilize it, The flipside is that for those who actually do utilize 3D Touch, know exactly what I’m referring to, in the sense that it is a shortcut tool to navigate through the iPhone quicker and it’s more convenient in that sense with Peek/Pop. Regardless, you can’t be dismissive of something just because _you_ don’t support 3D Touch, we have to look at the whole spectrum.
 
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I'm glad to see 3D Touch gone. I hope they remove it completely in 2019 from all the new models.


As I mentioned before, it's very unlikely Apple will release a SE2. However, 326 ppi 5.2" LCD XR-lite would have the same screen real estate as the 5.5" XS, but in roughly the same footprint as the 4.7" 8.

Agreed.

When I say 'SE/SE2' it's very much with quotation marks around it, as the SE was obviously a one off.

Whatever Apple will call it is anyone's guess, given their slightly crazy naming schemas!

iPhone XE?

Who knows...
 
I already acknowledged this point:
No, you said "some". I said "most".

That’s fine that you don’t like it, but you can’t classify it as a ‘negative’ simply because it’s not something you prefer yourself. It is a useful tool for those who actually know to utilize it, The flipside is that for those who actually do utilize 3D Touch, know exactly what I’m referring to, in the sense that it is a shortcut tool to navigate through the iPhone quicker and it’s more convenient in that sense with Peek/Pop. Regardless, you can’t be dismissive of something just because _you_ don’t support 3D Touch, we have to look at the whole spectrum.
I consider it a negative because it causes fragmentation of the iOS user interface, yet is a feature that most people do not use, and a feature most developers shun.

If Apple gets rid of 3D Touch in its new models in 2019 (like many predict), then that would give developers, including Apple, a more consistent UI target.

It's also a negative in that it adds cost.

Agreed.

When I say 'SE/SE2' it's very much with quotation marks around it, as the SE was obviously a one off.

Whatever Apple will call it is anyone's guess, given their slightly crazy naming schemas!

iPhone XE?

Who knows...
Ah I see. My hypothetical 5.2" 326 ppi LCD-endowed "XE" is a prediction based directly on the math. IMO, that's the only real option that would make sense mathematically that Apple would introduce in a year or two, to replace the SE.
 
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Yup, I don't see the big phone fad letting down anytime soon. I love the size of my SE but bought the Xr.

What's cooler than to have a computer you can put in your pocket. The phone has become secondary.
"a computer you can put in your pocket"
That's a good point. I grew up dreaming of such a device and here it is. Pretty amazing :cool:
 
I know! I use 3D touch often for sure. Sad to see it go.

I do too, but many members of my family (aka 'regular people') don't even know it exists.

3D Touch is doomed.

It's way too much of a power user feature and Apple can't seem to find a way to help it be 'discoverable' in the UI that they're happy with.

Presumably also there was a reason why it never went to the iPad.

Plus, those 3D Touch enabled screens are mighty expensive - to make and for consumers to replace when they break.

Looking forward to a price reduction next year on the next round of OLED phones that almost certainly will not have a 3D Touch layer on them (and thus more space for the battery).
 
The Xr has an A12, same camera as the XS, an all new form factor, 6.1 inch screen, and cutting edge facial recognition.

To say it’s a downgrade from the 6S is comical. The only “downgrade” is the ppi from the plus models, which will be imperceptible and the new LCD will have better contrast, brightness, color reproduction, dynamic range, etc.

At the same time, it's hard to say the average person should spend 899 on this phone when they can have much better at 250 more.

Plus it seems this LCD screen is lesser quality than older iphones: That’s not to say it matches the quality of previous iPhone LCDs. The iPhone XR LCD definitely shifts a little pink and drops brightness quickly when you look at it off-axis, which often leads to a bit of a shimmery effect when you move the phone around. I noticed that shimmer right away, but I had to point it out to other people for them to see it. (It’s one of those things you might not notice at first, but you can’t un-see it.) Apple told me the XR display should match previous iPhone LCDs in terms of performance, but side by side with an iPhone 8 Plus, the off-axis shifts are definitely more pronounced. You will also definitely notice the huge bezel around the entire display, which flows into the notch.
 
That’s fine that you don’t like it, but you can’t classify it as a ‘negative’ simply because it’s not something you prefer yourself. It is a useful tool for those who actually know to utilize it, The flipside is that for those who actually do utilize 3D Touch, know exactly what I’m referring to, in the sense that it is a shortcut tool to navigate through the iPhone quicker and it’s more convenient in that sense with Peek/Pop. Regardless, you can’t be dismissive of something just because _you_ don’t support 3D Touch, we have to look at the whole spectrum.
It will be interesting to see if 3D Touch finally makes its way onto the new iPads this month.
 
. I said "most".

Right, but you can’t support a quantitive number for ‘most’. Its a subjective hypothetical. You have no idea who utilizes 3D Touch and the demographic. I could make the counter argument the majority I know around me do use 3D Touch.

I consider it a negative because it causes fragmentation of the iOS user interface, yet is a feature that most people do not use, and a feature most developers shun.

Most? You seem interject more of your own stance on opinion versus something that you don’t actually have any factual information on. It’s already been acknowledged that 3D Touch may not be used by everyone, but to dismiss it all together just because you think it’s not used ‘from your experience’ around you is not an appropriate response, its anecdotal.

Is it possible it could be eliminated, maybe. But the fact that Apple retained for the XS speaks volumes as well. The only reason it was not included with XR because of cost relations, if Apple would have eliminated 3D Touch for the XS, then I would agree with you, in which fact it seems that it’s contradictory that Apple _is_ still Including it.

It's also a negative in that it adds cost..

Could I make the counter argument consider that wireless charging is a ‘negative’ that adds to the cost as well, but its something I don’t use? In your theory, So I should probably dismiss the fact that wireless charging is not used by everyone, therefore Apple should eliminate it. That’s basically your theory on a subjective stance, just used in a different context as an example.
 
At the same time, it's hard to say the average person should spend 899 on this phone when they can have much better at 250 more.

Plus it seems this LCD screen is lesser quality than older iphones: That’s not to say it matches the quality of previous iPhone LCDs. The iPhone XR LCD definitely shifts a little pink and drops brightness quickly when you look at it off-axis, which often leads to a bit of a shimmery effect when you move the phone around. I noticed that shimmer right away, but I had to point it out to other people for them to see it. (It’s one of those things you might not notice at first, but you can’t un-see it.) Apple told me the XR display should match previous iPhone LCDs in terms of performance, but side by side with an iPhone 8 Plus, the off-axis shifts are definitely more pronounced. You will also definitely notice the huge bezel around the entire display, which flows into the notch.
Except there are a few problems with that reasoning:

iPhone XS - 375x812 screen
iPhone XR - 414x896 screen (+22% vs XS)
iPhone Max - 414x896 screen (+22% vs XS, and same as XR)

However, it's not just that the screen on the XS shows much less than the XR, it's also that a 64 GB entry level model is too restrictive for many people. To get more than 64 GB, on the XS/Max, you have to jump to 256 GB, and on the XR, you can jump to 128 GB.

iPhone XR 128 GB: US$799
iPhone XS 256 GB: US$1149 (+$350 or +44%, but with much less screen real estate than the XR)
iPhone Max 256 GB: US$1249 (+$450 or +56%, with the same screen real estate as XR)

Right, but you can’t support a quantitive number for ‘most’. Its a subjective hypothetical. You have no idea who utilizes 3D Touch and the demographic. I could make the counter argument the majority I know around me do use 3D Touch.

Most? You seem interject more of your own stance on opinion versus something that you don’t actually have any factual information on. It’s already been acknowledged that 3D Touch may not be used by everyone, but to dismiss it all together just because you think it’s not used ‘from your experience’ around you is not an appropriate response, its anecdotal.

Is it possible it could be eliminated, maybe. But the fact that Apple retained for the XS speaks volumes as well. The only reason it was not included with XR because of cost relations, if Apple would have eliminated 3D Touch for the XS, then I would agree with you, in which fact it seems that it’s contradictory that Apple _is_ still Including it.
I'm not the only person that believes most people do not use 3D Touch. It's a common refrain amongst tech writers.

Could I make the counter argument consider that wireless charging is a ‘negative’ that adds to the cost as well, but its something I don’t use? In your theory, So I should probably dismiss the fact that wireless charging is not used by everyone, therefore Apple should eliminate it. That’s basically your theory on a subjective stance, just used in a different context as an example.
Except that wireless charging is a popular feature. 3D Touch is not.
 
Every review of the XS/Max cameras: "Incredible!" and "Best ever!" and "ZOMG"...

Every review of the same camera in the XR: "...is a very good one" and "...still produces some lovely photos" and "surprisingly handy"...

Perception begets reality. Everybody is gaga over the XS/Max, so naturally the cameras are astounding. Everybody's expectations are tempered for the XR, so naturally the same wide-angle lens is now "just good enough."

They are as confused as customers and Apple, because too much raving reviews of XR could kill potential buyers of XS & XS Max, if they don't give great reviewes XR sale may be impacted....

But to be frank if the choice is between XS and XR then Apple is safe unless the confused buyers start look outside the walled garden!
 
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Fully agreed here - and this has been my take away since the September event.

If you need to step up one option on storage (ie 64GB isn’t enough), the jump creates an additional $100 in difference between the XR and XS/Max. I had mentioned this in other threads but where I am in Canada it results in a $700 difference from the XR to XS Max ($1241 vs $1952).

I’m honestly quite surprised that there’s a $50 option to jump to 128GB. Wish they had that with the XS as well. Going to the already crazy expensive XS and needing to spend another $150 for a storage jump just hurts. Not to mention AppleCare+ if you’re worried about the potential of needing to pay for a replacement phone if you crack the rear glass.

That $50 jump is huge value for Apple to give up. I'm surprised as well. I think it makes the XR one of their best value phones they've ever released. I do think that 64gb is fine for some users, so it is okay to offer it. But really the vast majority need more storage. So the minimum for XS and XS Max is the second, much more expensive tier. I would be constantly battling storage constraints with 64gb, but I would never (based on past usage) exceed 128GB. But of course for the last two phones (X and now XS) I've bought the 256gb.

That is a pretty massive jump in Canada dollars for you all. Who the heck is going to walk into a store six months from now in Canada and get the Max over the XR?
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Haha, yeah my 3 year old iPhone 6s with it's almost 2 year old battery (replaced by Apple) still gets me through a full day no problem, but I'm not glued to my screen all bloody day so...

I think it has a lot to do with how much power is being used to maintain the cell or wifi connection. At least I hope so because I also would never use up a modern iPhone's battery in one day. But plenty of folks report doing just that.
Also social media apps which are constantly trying to extract some data from the phone are a drain. I suspect installing Facebook and using Chrome without an ad blocker as browser of choice would be a battery hit.
 
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I think it has a lot to do with how much power is being used to maintain the cell or wifi connection. At least I hope so because I also would never use up a modern iPhone's battery in one day. But plenty of folks report doing just that.
Also social media apps which are constantly trying to extract some data from the phone are a drain. I suspect installing Facebook and using Chrome without an ad blocker as browser of choice would be a battery hit.

Yeah, I intentionally do not have the Facebook app on my phone and I have background update turned off for all but a few key apps which I think helps.

Fair point about the cell reception though. While I never have an issue getting through the day while I am in the city, my work does take me to remote sites with poor cell reception occasionally and I can pretty much watch the battery drain at those times (I did end up buying a smart battery case which I use during those situations, it's not the nicest looking case, but it works well). I do wonder if the XR's battery would get me through the day when I am working at a site with poor reception or if I would still need something to supplement it.
 
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