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It connects by Bluetooth. More about it here.

Well that Bluetooth is surely only used for verification and Account Information. If you were transferring via Bluetooth, even at the max speed 48 Mbps would have take tens of hours transferring your Data.

Edit: I think ( not confirmed ) the Peer to Peer Wireless for Transfer Migration is like LTE HotSpot Shared via WiFi. It is similar to WiFi Direct in concept, but not the implementation. In that both devices does not need to be on the same WiFi Network for it to work.
 
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Screen resolution, screen contrast, bezel size, RAM, cameras, and LTE speeds are all mid-range at best.

The point of a premium product is that you don’t make compromises. The XR is the embodiment of compromise.

If Tim had a lower speed CPU currently being manufactured in sufficient numbers it would be in the XR.

Being made from glass and aluminium is not premium either, it’s now standard.

Frankly so what? Your opinions on what makes a device premium doesn’t rally matter. Your list is a joke at best.

Btw, Your thinking of ultra premium.

The definition for premium is 400 dollars and up.
The definition for ultra premium is 900 dollars and up.
 
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I think you hit it on the head.
The XR vs XS/Max. Lets see what the differences are. The XS has a slightly better camera, 3d touch and oled. Everything ls is the same.
That is same CPU, same ram, same everything. I have an XR because the price difference between to go to the XS from the XR was not worth it. XR is a great phone but Xs does not offer much to make it worth the extra money.
As for the Xs Max. It is just to big and I do not want a phone that big so it was never in the running.
Correct. Other than a list of stuff related to the camera (dual lenses, dual stabilization, 2x optical, 5 effect portrait), io68, oled, HDR, 3dt the phones are the same.
 
The S10 isn't selling 40M units annually.
Screen resolution, screen contrast, bezel size, RAM, cameras, and LTE speeds are all mid-range at best.

The point of a premium product is that you don’t make compromises. The XR is the embodiment of compromise.

If Tim had a lower speed CPU currently being manufactured in sufficient numbers it would be in the XR.

Being made from glass and aluminium is not premium either, it’s now standard.

It's the fastest iPhone in the current lineup. It has the longest battery life in the current lineup. I had a 401 ppi 7+, now I have an XR, my vision was and is 20/20 and I can't notice a difference until the phone is 1 inch away from my face.

Nobody gives a flying F if there are 2, 3 or 50 cameras if 99% of the time you're taking regular pictures of your friends drinking a gallon of tequila in Cancún using - guess what - the main camera.

You're only "missing out" on the OLED display and I don't think it's that much of an advantage.
 
It's the fastest iPhone in the current lineup. It has the longest battery life in the current lineup. I had a 401 ppi 7+, now I have an XR, my vision was and is 20/20 and I can't notice a difference until the phone is 1 inch away from my face.

Nobody gives a flying F if there are 2, 3 or 50 cameras if 99% of the time you're taking regular pictures of your friends drinking a gallon of tequila in Cancún using - guess what - the main camera.

You're only "missing out" on the OLED display and I don't think it's that much of an advantage.
He’s still comparing specs, which again misses the point.

The Xr and XS serve different users.

Android phones aren’t like alternatives to iPhone users.
 
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Screen resolution, screen contrast, bezel size, RAM, cameras, and LTE speeds are all mid-range at best.

The point of a premium product is that you don’t make compromises. The XR is the embodiment of compromise.

If Tim had a lower speed CPU currently being manufactured in sufficient numbers it would be in the XR.

Being made from glass and aluminium is not premium either, it’s now standard.
They do have lower spec'd chips being mass produced. The A10 and the A11. Quite frankly the A11 would have been more than sufficient as it's close to the A12 already, but Tim didn't decide to skimp there. Everything else other than resolution has been praised when it comes to the XR screen. RAM is a null point when you're talking iOS. 3GB is sufficient for at least a few years. Cameras are the same as the XS minus the zoom lens, and with the same Smart HDR software, provides top of class pictures in many scenarios. 600MB download speeds are way faster than most people can even connect to, so again, that's a null point.

I think you are simply on the wrong site or operating under the spec war delusion. Android offers amazing hardware crippled by a fragmented software that is too open and has too many cracks for me. It's funny you point out the mid-range compromised specs of the XR while ignoring in day to day use, or even in synthetic benchmarks, it blows away most Android phones in the same range.
 
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They do have lower spec'd chips being mass produced. The A10 and the A11. Quite frankly the A11 would have been more than sufficient as it's close to the A12 already, but Tim didn't decide to skimp there. Everything else other than resolution has been praised when it comes to the XR screen. RAM is a null point when you're talking iOS. 3GB is sufficient for at least a few years. Cameras are the same as the XS minus the zoom lens, and with the same Smart HDR software, provides top of class pictures in many scenarios. 600MB download speeds are way faster than most people can even connect to, so again, that's a null point.

I think you are simply on the wrong site or operating under the spec war delusion. Android offers amazing hardware crippled by a fragmented software that is too open and has too many cracks for me. It's funny you point out the mid-range compromised specs of the XR while ignoring in day to day use, or even in synthetic benchmarks, it blows away most Android phones in the same range.

Premium isn't about "sufficient".
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It's the fastest iPhone in the current lineup. It has the longest battery life in the current lineup. I had a 401 ppi 7+, now I have an XR, my vision was and is 20/20 and I can't notice a difference until the phone is 1 inch away from my face.

Nobody gives a flying F if there are 2, 3 or 50 cameras if 99% of the time you're taking regular pictures of your friends drinking a gallon of tequila in Cancún using - guess what - the main camera.

You're only "missing out" on the OLED display and I don't think it's that much of an advantage.

Try comparing the XR to modern phones and not your 3 year old 7+
 
Premium isn't about "sufficient".
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Try comparing the XR to modern phones and not your 3 year old 7+
Why? That's exactly what millions of users have done. Compared their 3 year old 7 Plus to the XR. And what exactly isn't premium about the XR? The list you gave is opinion only. What is fact is the materials used are premium. The design is premium-all glass front and rear with aluminum. Technology? Same insides as XS outside of 1GB of RAM-remember it is pushing less pixels. It's well beyond sufficient because it is premium. At the end of the day, a user who uses a XR or an X/XS/XS Max are all going to have an identical experience.
 
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It's the perfect iPhone. It's my favorite device. I can go two days without charging it, and that's with heavy use. The camera takes amazing pictures, the screen is perfect, and performance is lightning fast. What's not to love?
The size. If it weren't so darn big, it would be ideal.
 
i buy the iPhone for the OS and because I feel it is more secure than androids. I have been very tempted to change, because there are some amazing phones out there, better in many ways. But even though Apple is not perfect, my next phone will be one of the new iPhones in September.
 
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You realize the article was limited to Apple iphones? Why would anyone be surprised that the cheapest latest iPhone would not be Apple's best seller?


Well, Apple shipments were ~40% of the US market in Q1 2019. 50% of 40% is 20% which means roughly 1 in 5 people in the US bought an XR (assuming their Q2 shipments were at least similar). That just seems like a lot of people spending nearly $800 on a phone to me. The numbers are slightly off I'm sure but still.

The iPhone 6 was $649 but Androids weren't nearly what they are now in 2014. But I guess a $100 price bump nearly four years later for a much better phone isn't totally uncalled for. I'm not surprised it's selling well for Apple, I'm just surprised Apple's market share hasn't went down due to all the intense competition nowadays. I'm not even picking on Apple. Phones above ~$600 just don't really do much more than a $200 phone anymore. Smartphones are such a mature market segment by now that you pay a huge difference to get increasingly diminishing returns.

I own an iPhone X so I'm not an Android fanboy or anything - I just didn't think this many people would still be spending so much on phones in 2019 when there are so many good cheaper options nowadays (not saying they're better).
 
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Sure flashing a custom rom, because google.
So if you want privacy you kind of have to do that and you lose OTA updates.

But the xr doesn’t need that. iOS is privacy focused. And you get ota updates anyway.

Exactly. Poco doesn’t have an nvme based storage, it’s why it’s much cheaper.

Even premium and performance based android smartphones don’t offer nvme, and they are more expensive than the iPhone XR.




Yes you don’t use it because it’s crap. 2d facial recognition is old insecure tech. 3d facial recognition is different and it’s more expensive, same with the aluminum frame. Plastic is a cheap material it won’t dent but it will chip.

Don’t really think it’s liquid cooling , but that 845 is hog. Not a very good processor certainly can’t compete with the a12.

It’s obvious you have never used Face ID, but by the time you look at the screen the phone is already unlocked.

But you want to focus only on ram and price, if that’s all the poco phone has going for it, I would have spent another 400 dollars and gotten an xr.

Sure for the premium price, your getting 7nm soc, 8core npu, an nvme based storage, 3d facial recognition, dual speaker, a great camera, Taptic Engine, a great display (better than the poco),
And privacy focused iOS with all its ecosystem.

I’m sure if apple removes all these features they could sell the phone for $350 but what would be the point?

I did not flashed custom rom because of Google. I have Google installed in LineageOS :) My setup is not even rooted. I flashed it because I like the feature offered by LineageOS compared to the stock rom of Pocohpone F1, but I wish the Second Space of MIUI is available on LineageOS its a great feature for multi-user phone. It allows you to create a totally different user account in your phone.

Like I said I am not using facial rec not because of the quality of facial rec of my phone because I don't like facial rec. It is very efficient and productive for me using fingerprint sensor compared to a facial rec. If ever I am buying an iPhone I will be looking for a Touch ID iPhone. In my MacBook Air Retina I am not using my Touch ID because I don't see any big difference in productivity and efficiency compared to typing my passphrase. When I purchased from App Store I typed my password not with Touch ID. Not because I like fingerprint sensor on my phone I will also like it in my laptop. What I'm trying to say is that when I try to use a tech or a feature I will always ask my self is this very useful for me or it's just something that is available and very high-tech but is not very useful. Same with your idea of NVME, you have it on your iPhone but you are not even reading/writing data at 150Mbps because you can't transfer files to external storage aside from using cloud which is limited by your Internet connection.

Same with A12 proc or Snapdragon 855 processor, you have a very fast processor however you are only watching Youtube, Facebooking, reading PDF, visiting websites. What's the point of having a fast processor if you are not running demanding applications. If you are planning to play 3d games and doing some video editing on your phone then go ahead buy those overpriced phones. For a $350 Pocophone F1, I am able to open at least 30 tabs of webpages which some of them are in desktop view while uTorrent is downloading and some other apps that I did not close. When it comes to security, LineageOS is much better than iOS because it will never call home. Your data is totally lock into your phone and it has SELinux, a desktop grade OS security and a Privacy Guard that even allows you to lock system application from accessing your contact and personal information.

I could provide a list of feature and arguments about technical things to consider when using a smartphone but having read some of your comments in this thread and some other thread it will be pointless to have a sound and objective discussion with you because you are a die hard Apple fan that will protect Apple to the death and for that you are very subjective.

I forgot, my $350 phone has dual speaker too, USB-C connection QuickCharge 3 capable, 3.1mm headphone jack :)

and check this :)

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9293&idPhone2=9320

and by the way, about liquid cooling, it really is. If you are only not arrogant on dismissing it right away and checked for Pocophone F1 teardown :)
 
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I did not flashed custom rom because of Google. I have Google installed in LineageOS :) My setup is not even rooted. I flashed it because I like the feature offered by LineageOS compared to the stock rom of Pocohpone F1, but I wish the Second Space of MIUI is available on LineageOS its a great feature for multi-user phone. It allows you to create a totally different user account in your phone.

Like I said I am not using facial rec not because of the quality of facial rec of my phone because I don't like facial rec. It is very efficient and productive for me using fingerprint sensor compared to a facial rec. If ever I am buying an iPhone I will be looking for a Touch ID iPhone. In my MacBook Air Retina I am not using my Touch ID because I don't see any big difference in productivity and efficiency compared to typing my passphrase. When I purchased from App Store I typed my password not with Touch ID. Not because I like fingerprint sensor on my phone I will also like it in my laptop. What I'm trying to say is that when I try to use a tech or a feature I will always ask my self is this very useful for me or it's just something that is available and very high-tech but is not very useful. Same with your idea of NVME, you have it on your iPhone but you are not even reading/writing data at 150Mbps because you can't transfer files to external storage aside from using cloud which is limited by your Internet connection.

Same with A12 proc or Snapdragon 855 processor, you have a very fast processor however you are only watching Youtube, Facebooking, reading PDF, visiting websites. What's the point of having a fast processor if you are not running demanding applications. If you are planning to play 3d games and doing some video editing on your phone then go ahead buy those overpriced phones. For a $350 Pocophone F1, I am able to open at least 30 tabs of webpages which some of them are in desktop view while uTorrent is downloading and some other apps that I did not close. When it comes to security, LineageOS is much better than iOS because it will never call home. Your data is totally lock into your phone and it has SELinux, a desktop grade OS security and a Privacy Guard that even allows you to lock system application from accessing your contact and personal information.

I could provide a list of feature and arguments about technical things to consider when using a smartphone but having read some of your comments in this thread and some other thread it will be pointless to have a sound and objective discussion with you because you are a die hard Apple fan that will protect Apple to the death and for that you are very subjective.

I forgot, my $350 phone has dual speaker too, USB-C connection QuickCharge 3 capable, 3.1mm headphone jack :)

and check this :)

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9293&idPhone2=9320

and by the way, about liquid cooling, it really is. If you are only not arrogant on dismissing it right away and checked for Pocophone F1 teardown :)

Go look for validation on your purchase on the XDA forums. You'll eventually get tired with all this ROM flashing and see why iOS, closed as it is, is better than Android ever has the potential to be.
 
That chart is hard to read with the colors so similar ... hey guys put up the data and let us have a go at it!

happy with the XR it cost exactly what my 5S cost 5 years ago and it's got 4X the memory and at least twice as fast. I got it specifically because it does not have a zoom lens in the camera, but ... totally did not expect how much I would like the photos!!!
 
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Frankly so what? Your opinions on what makes a device premium doesn’t rally matter. Your list is a joke at best.

Btw, Your thinking of ultra premium.

The definition for premium is 400 dollars and up.
The definition for ultra premium is 900 dollars and up.


Goodness me. What?? :D
 
Goodness me. What?? :D

it’s the industry’s definition.
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Those penetration numbers on services seem way out line. Applecare at 3% but iCloud storage paid 45%+. Apple News at 15%.

I know many people with AppleCare but only a few that pay for iCloud Storage and don't know anyone that uses News (woat product).

*raises hand*

Having a little child and with the XR my wife finally returning to iPhones (she was rocking a Huawei for 2 yrs and is really happy to be back) we decided for the 200GB option.

All those pics we take really use space (currently 18GB and my wife just got started on the iCloud account) and family sharing is so nicely implemented.

So - now you know at least one person opting for a paid subscription iCloud-account. :)
 
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