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the total of 4 phones released before the X (namely 7, 7+, 8, 8+) account for 32% of sales in 2019.
thats the real story.

I agree. My sister and brother in law just upgraded from iPhone 6 to iPhone 7. They could afford the top end phone. But like many people they simply don’t want to spend that much money on a phone.
 
I think it goes to show that few people want a $1000 USD phone.

I think it shows a very fundamental lack of understanding of how Apple positions its products.

The XS and XS Max are Apple’s flagship phones. The people who want one are going to have purchased one shortly after it was announced. This would have been represented by relatively poor Xr sales in the first two quarters, as most people opted for the other two models.

Conversely, the iPhone XR is targeted at your average consumer. They will eventually get round to upgrading, but it’s not really a priority, and it shows that Xr sales is picking up now at a time when Apple is close to unveiling their 2019 iPhone lineup.

For these people, that there will be newer iPhones 2-3 months later literally doesn’t matter.

So it’s not that people don’t want $1000 phones, but that the people who wanted them already have them. I just can’t help but facepalm when in the quarters when XS / XS Max sales were good, people pointed to supposedly poor Xr sales as evidence that Apple was losing the plot. And now that Xr sales is picking up, people use this to insinuate that XS / XS Max sales are poor.

I think it’s genius really. The Xr is there to help stabilise Apple’s earnings in a quarter when iPhone sales tend to dip right before they announce new phones. But I guess when one is convinced that Apple is doomed, every piece of news will be interpreted to fit that narrative regardless.
 
Good hopefully the 2020 iphones will be fairly priced...

Unfortunately too many Apple fans have to swallow their pride and go for the cheapest model even though they might much prefer the XS models. XR definitely can satisfy the needs for many people but lets not pretend that its popularity has any other reason but lower price.
Lol, if anything its people who are having a buyers remorse over this news who need to swallow their pride... and accept the fact that oled doesn’t worth the price and 3d touch is a gimmick.
 
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Proof that most folks are content with a phone that doesn't completely break the bank. Finishing 2nd place does have it's own rewards.
 
I wouldn’t. $400 is worth it for 3D touch and the larger OLED display IMO.
I don't necessarily think the price isn't worth it. I'd be one of the first to gush about the OLED screen, and yes I really like 3D touch. But there are also a few things I actually like about the XR better, like battery life and wide-angle portrait mode (much better for low-light), as well as the overall size of the device, that make a big difference in the day-to-day stuff.
 
Its premium, don’t know why that bothers you.

You said many things.

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You claimed it was over priced trash. the market proved you wrong.

Even the s10 flopped, the 10e sold close to nothing, kind of wrong there too.

Apple is a fashion company. Its prices have no relation to the objective quality of its products. Aside from being a fashion statement, the XR is overpriced trash. Doesn't mean people won't buy it. That's also the business model of Beats, which is why Apple bought them.
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Good hopefully the 2020 iphones will be fairly priced...


Lol, if anything its people who are having a buyers remorse over this news who need to swallow their pride... and accept the fact that oled doesn’t worth the price and 3d touch is a gimmick.

With the XR you're already paying OLED prices, but just getting a cheap LCD instead. The price difference of the XR to the XS does not reflect the actual cost of an OLED screen, just what Apple can get away with charging.
 
Did it sell enough to write off the desperate, astronomical advertising budget? Here in Berlin I've seen entire train stations plastered with massive XR billboards from side to side, let alone the on-screen noise and ads.
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Potato screen, lack of 3D Touch, size, weight, price (in Europe). Actually quite a lot not to love.

Anecdotally, the XR is issued as our new company phone to migrate from 7/8. Of all my colleagues, absolutely NOBODY liked the switch and using the new device. I'm happy I could stick to the 8.

The size, weight, and screen are what gives the XR amazing battery life. The screen is still Retina at 326 ppi with P3 color gamut. No potatoes there! As for 3D Touch, it's more of an unnecessary convenience. I used a 6s for 3 years and I rarely used 3D Touch. Performance is identical to the XR. So besides superficial reasons, why do you actually dislike the phone?

Explain.

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That's all down to personal preference. If you like a smaller phone then buy one. That's no reason to take a dig at another product that is clearly not meant for you in the first place.
 
I have made a deliberate choice to not buy too deeply into the Apple ecosystem, because it makes it financially easier to leave if needed. Sure I have lots of purchased Apps for my Mac, but those I have bought have been direct from the software authors and most have Windows/Linux versions.
Music/Videos I have physical CDs/DVDs , no removal of licence crap here

The number of Apps I use regularly on my IOS devices is less than 10, not a great investment, so easy to abandon.

Bought a RaspberryPi 3B+ to learn about Linux on and will be dual booting my Macs soon too.

The ONLY thing stopping me from jumping into Android for my phone is I do not trust Google etc to not spy on me, track me, etc. So I am keeping my SE until it actually dies and reassess my options then, iPhones are just too expensive I am NOT going to spend that kind of money on a phone. Given that 99% of my "phone" is as a phone or txt I will probably get a dub phone and to hell with the Apps.

If you are afraid of Google, let me suggest a setup without Google. Check Lineage OS website, check the Android phones they support and you can install it to your selected phone. Lineage OS is pretty much secure when it comes to privacy. Lineage OS has SELinux, Privacy Guard and can restrict USB access when the device is lock. Another good thing is it has a nightly update, but of course you can do a weekly or every 2 weeks update if you want. You can actually buy a supported refurbish Android phone and extend its life by using Lineage OS because it will always be updated with the latest Android Security patch and also latest Android OS version. If you are not a camera fetish, I suggest Pocophone F1, 6GB Ram, Snapdradong 845 (used by Samsung Galaxy Note 9, Google Pixel 3, Google Pixel 3XL and other premium phones), 128GB internal storage and it is using liquid cooling, Gorilla glass, usb type port, stereo speaker, headphone jack. I think the price is just above $300. If you like taking picture find a refurbish Google Pixel and flash Lineage OS into it. I've been using Pocophone F1 with Lineage OS since January and I don't have any problem with the setup and it is not rooted for more security. Although I installed Google, I am able to limit its access to my phone with Privacy Guard. With Privacy Guard you can block even system application from accessing your contacts, emails, messaging and other phone information. With 6Gb Ram and Snapdragon 845 it is very fast and responsive even with demanding games :)

On topic, does this suggest that consumers are getting smarter when it comes to buying phones, specially in Apple based consumers. I am coming from the idea that those who prefer Apple will always buy whatever Apple advertised even if its overpriced. Or this just mean that the purchasing power of consumers are getting lower even in US? I understand in Asian market the lower priced iPhone will be popular because most can't afford such a premium price phone that has a feature the same with a mid-budget phone in Android phones line-up. Compared to iPhone XR, Android low-budget phones are already running on 4GB Ram and 64GB storage.
 
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Apple is a fashion company. Its prices have no relation to the objective quality of its products. Aside from being a fashion statement, the XR is overpriced trash. Doesn't mean people won't buy it. That's also the business model of Beats, which is why Apple bought them.
Actually apples prices reflect the premium nature of the products and the support they get, as evidenced by a release of iOS 9.3.6. That’s my subjective viewpoint as what I quoted is your subjective viewpoint. Don’t like the Xr, don’t buy it.

With the XR you're already paying OLED prices, but just getting a cheap LCD instead. The price difference of the XR to the XS does not reflect the actual cost of an OLED screen, just what Apple can get away with charging.
Yes, with the xr you are still getting a premium product, with best in class support and an lcd better than most android oled screens.

The price difference between the xr and the Xs represents the value of the increased tech.
 
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On topic, does this suggest that consumers are getting smarter when it comes to buying phones, specially in Apple based consumers....
What this suggests is one persons’ story only . I’m going to make a general statement and suggest the “typical” Apple consumer doesn’t think like this. My sample size is the 100 people I know who have iPhones. While you could counter we don't know and be correct, the number could be 2, 10 or one million it’s a number that can’t be determined. Moving between platforms is a fact of life.
 
I don't necessarily think the price isn't worth it. I'd be one of the first to gush about the OLED screen, and yes I really like 3D touch. But there are also a few things I actually like about the XR better, like battery life and wide-angle portrait mode (much better for low-light), as well as the overall size of the device, that make a big difference in the day-to-day stuff.
Battery life is a good point!

Size, well I’m one of those nutters who would buy an even bigger iPhone so...
 
Apple is a fashion company. Its prices have no relation to the objective quality of its products. Aside from being a fashion statement, the XR is overpriced trash. Doesn't mean people won't buy it. That's also the business model of Beats, which is why Apple bought them.
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With the XR you're already paying OLED prices, but just getting a cheap LCD instead. The price difference of the XR to the XS does not reflect the actual cost of an OLED screen, just what Apple can get away with charging.

A fashion company. Hahahaha.

Nvme based storage, 8core npu, 3d facial recognition, that’s high tech not haute couture.
Certainly not trash.

Ultra premium android phones don’t even have those features.

Xr has premium component, that fact that you think it’s trash or people are fools for buying one are your opinion. Just like you claiming the s10e was a better buy compared to the xr, no one else shares your viewpoint.


Don’t know why your bringing beats into this conversation, makes you look like you have a chip on your shoulder against apple.


Is your iPhone 7 acting up?
 
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That's all down to personal preference. If you like a smaller phone then buy one. That's no reason to take a dig at another product that is clearly not meant for you in the first place.
That's not a dig. Show ma a small, "cheap" iPhone? Yeah... thought so ;)
 
How much was your android device?

Around $350, Xiaomi Phocophone F1, the 6GB RAM / 128GB Internal storage version. Running LineageOS 16 but haven't updated to the latest version because I am too lazy to upgrade or flash the latest firmware even though I already have it downloaded. And I can say with certainty that it is much better than iPhone XR, specially with the price point :)
 
I was surprised to see that the number of users purchasing AppleCare are only 3-6%. Good. Extended warranties are almost always a bad deal, and (in my opinion) Apple's isn't that good of a buy. It seems that the posters on this forum, however, are pretty heavily into purchasing AppleCare. Maybe that's just a vocal minority skewing my perception.

I totally agree. Apple Retail people pushed hard for me to purchase AppleCare+ when I purchased my wife's XR last month. I had to be borderline rude with the sales guy because he kept coming back to the topic despite me saying "I'm not interested in AppleCare+" at least twice throughout the interaction.
 
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