iPhone XR Was Best Selling iPhone in U.S. in Q3 2019

[FFR]

Around $350, Xiaomi Phocophone F1, the 6GB RAM / 128GB Internal storage version. Running LineageOS 16 but haven't updated to the latest version because I am too lazy to upgrade or flash the latest firmware even though I already have it downloaded. And I can say with certainty that it is much better than iPhone XR, specially with the price point

You choose android phone solely because of the price.

Some do the same for the xr.

It’s actually not better than the xr,
Glass Display, nvme based storage, 3d facial recognition, aluminum frame. And you don’t need to flash the latest firmware just to update.

That might work for you but don’t expect others to make the same compromises.

 

[ronno]

I’d say Google is also thrilled with your Dad’s info! Apple protect my info and keep it mine, Android/Google do not....

So you don’t use Gmail, Google Maps, Google Search, YouTube, Facebook, etc on your iPhone??
Good luck with thinking you have privacy...

 

[Lalatoon]

You choose android phone solely because of the price.

Some do the same for the xr.

It’s actually not better than the xr,
Glass Display, nvme based storage, 3d facial recognition, aluminum frame. And you don’t need to flash the latest firmware just to update.

That might work for you but don’t expect others to make the same compromises.

I am using a custom rom that's why I have to flash a firmware upgrade. Of course if using the factory rom then it is OTA, but I like ti custom. C'mon nvme is a nice tech but not necessary in a phone. What will you need the extra read/write speed for? For christ sake you are using a phone not a laptop. And what will you do with your nvme speed if you can't even transfer files from internal storage to USB or other way around. You are only transferring files to the cloud which means the bottleneck will be the Internet speed. You have 150Mpbs file transfer speed because of nvme but your Internet speed is only 5mb.

While my Phocophone F1 is not nvme but with the new firmware it can record 4k videos and its screen is Gorila Glass by the way Although Pocophone has sensor for facial rec but I never used it because I don't like facial rec, I like to unlock my phone not looking at it or having to bring it to my face. Think of it, for a premium price I am only getting 4GB Ram and 64GB internal storage. If XR is 8GB Ram and 128GB then I will not have a problem with the price given it has aluminium case. But I am not a fan with aluminium cases when they bend they stay bend, I like my carbon fibre Phocophone F1 frame with its liquid cooling inside specially I do play games with it a lot on my spare time, I am hoping to play Diablo Immortal with it.

 

[realtuner]

Source?

Anandtech made that claim and they only test flagships and mid-upper range phones.

 

[jdclifford]

With the rate at which Android phones have improved over the years, I'm surprised honestly.

Though I think most people are just either ignorant of that fact or don't care.

I bought my dad a used Moto G6 Play recently and my god for $89 refurbished it is a hell of a phone.

You realize the article was limited to Apple iphones? Why would anyone be surprised that the cheapest latest iPhone would not be Apple's best seller?

 

[otternonsense]

Explain.

Did it sell enough to write off the desperate, astronomical advertising budget? Here in Berlin I've seen entire train stations plastered with massive XR billboards from side to side, let alone the on-screen noise and ads.
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Potato screen, lack of 3D Touch, size, weight, price (in Europe). Actually quite a lot not to love.

Anecdotally, the XR is issued as our new company phone to migrate from 7/8. Of all my colleagues, absolutely NOBODY liked the switch and using the new device. I'm happy I could stick to the 8.

Lol what?

• 3D Touch is not "redundant" by default. Not at all. Apple decided to make it redundant so as to order cheaper screen components. If it's redundant why include it on the XS/Max? And it's exactly because I use it for business that I prefer the FAST reliable solution that is 3D Touch compared to haptic touch,
• I prefer Touch ID and I don't want to perform some special move every time I use Apple Pay
• The XR screen is exactly the same LCD panel, just larger and wrapped around the edges.
• The battery savings, when factoring in our enterprise iOS profile are negligible
• It's not THAT much better performing when comparing them side by side
• Feel free to argue with all of my colleagues who can't stand this potato slab of a phone too and call them nonsensical. If you think I'm making this up, that's your choice.

And at the end of the day I want a business phone that won't rip through my pockets. To me the 7/8 might look ancient but it's the perfect size (actually the 5S is the perfect size but that really is ancient)

There you go. And yes, compared to the OLED displays, the LCD is a bezelicious potato and whether 3D Touch is redundant to you it's .. you know, just you.

Now please point that microphone elsewhere.

 

[FFR]

So you don’t use Gmail, Google Maps, Google Search, YouTube, Facebook, etc on your iPhone??
Good luck with thinking you have privacy...

I don’t.

Once I deleted all of google services from my iPhone, i actually started getting better battery life, especially gmail.

Have fun giving all your info to google and their contractors and advertising partners.

And Whatever data they can’t mine from their customers, they buy.

Google bought your banking data in secret, and that’s not even the bad news.
https://gizmodo.com/google-reportedly-secretly-bought-your-banking-data-an-1828341605

Google Contractors Listen to Recordings of People Using Virtual Assistant
https://www.barrons.com/articles/go...of-people-using-virtual-assistant-51562874927

Google admits its new smart speaker was eavesdropping on users
https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/11/technology/google-home-mini-security-flaw/index.html



Good luck, it takes a certain kind of consumer to pay google to be the product.

 

[Virinprew]

Percent is good and all. But a raw unit sales will be better. So we can compare 8/8+/X with XR/XS/XS Max.

 

[PJivan]

Lol what?

• 3D Touch is not "redundant" by default. Not at all. Apple decided to make it redundant so as to order cheaper screen components. If it's redundant why include it on the XS/Max? And it's exactly because I use it for business that I prefer the FAST reliable solution that is 3D Touch compared to haptic touch,
• I prefer Touch ID and I don't want to perform some special move every time I use Apple Pay
• The XR screen is exactly the same LCD panel, just larger and wrapped around the edges.
• The battery savings, when factoring in our enterprise iOS profile are negligible
• It's not THAT much better performing when comparing them side by side
• Feel free to argue with all of my colleagues who can't stand this potato slab of a phone too and call them nonsensical. If you think I'm making this up, that's your choice.

And at the end of the day I want a business phone that won't rip through my pockets. To me the 7/8 might look ancient but it's the perfect size (actually the 5S is the perfect size but that really is ancient)

We agree to totally disagree, not the end of the world.

 

[[AUT] Thomas]

Well, the XR offers the best bang for the buck... unless you got an X during the sale.

FYI, the iPhone XR has a very serious hardware design flaw !
I/we first discovered it on Oct 27th, the first day we began testing our main app with it.
Took us awhile to figure out the root cause.
The "fancy" Performance Controller (i.e., cpu scheduler) design in the XR's A12 will cause an app to crash when the A12 is pushed hard.
This Hardware Bug ONLY affects High-Perf "CPU-oriented" apps.
To date, NO synthetic benchmark has discovered the issue.
To date, NO OTHER App Dev has discovered the issue.

Interesting, but the fact that quite literally no one else even discovered the issue means it's not a problem (yet). I own an XR and a mini 5. Both A12 powered. I often push the mini to the limits. Running Game + Safari quite literally on top of it. Or even Outlook.
If the issue is as serious as you say I recommend to send your findings to some tech sites. In the German speaking area I would recommend golem.de, heise.de, possibly computerbase.de. Especially the first 2 have enough nerds to dig into that... But for that, sample code and/or very detailed documentation would be required.

 

[FFR]

I am using a custom rom that's why I have to flash a firmware upgrade. Of course if using the factory rom then it is OTA, but I like ti custom. C'mon nvme is a nice tech but not necessary in a phone. What will you need the extra read/write speed for? For christ sake you are using a phone not a laptop. And what will you do with your nvme speed if you can't even transfer files from internal storage to USB or other way around. You are only transferring files to the cloud which means the bottleneck will be the Internet speed. You have 150Mpbs file transfer speed because of nvme but your Internet speed is only 5mb.

Sure flashing a custom rom, because google.
So if you want privacy you kind of have to do that and you lose OTA updates.

But the xr doesn’t need that. iOS is privacy focused. And you get ota updates anyway.

Exactly. Poco doesn’t have an nvme based storage, it’s why it’s much cheaper.

Even premium and performance based android smartphones don’t offer nvme, and they are more expensive than the iPhone XR.

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While my Phocophone F1 is not nvme but with the new firmware it can record 4k videos and its screen is Gorila Glass by the way Although Pocophone has sensor for facial rec but I never used it because I don't like facial rec, I like to unlock my phone not looking at it or having to bring it to my face. Think of it, for a premium price I am only getting 4GB Ram and 64GB internal storage. If XR is 8GB Ram and 128GB then I will not have a problem with the price given it has aluminium case. But I am not a fan with aluminium cases when they bend they stay bend, I like my carbon fibre Phocophone F1 frame with its liquid cooling inside specially I do play games with it a lot on my spare time, I am hoping to play Diablo Immortal with it.

Yes you don’t use it because it’s crap. 2d facial recognition is old insecure tech. 3d facial recognition is different and it’s more expensive, same with the aluminum frame. Plastic is a cheap material it won’t dent but it will chip.

Don’t really think it’s liquid cooling , but that 845 is hog. Not a very good processor certainly can’t compete with the a12.

It’s obvious you have never used Face ID, but by the time you look at the screen the phone is already unlocked.

But you want to focus only on ram and price, if that’s all the poco phone has going for it, I would have spent another 400 dollars and gotten an xr.

Sure for the premium price, your getting 7nm soc, 8core npu, an nvme based storage, 3d facial recognition, dual speaker, a great camera, Taptic Engine, a great display (better than the poco),
And privacy focused iOS with all its ecosystem.

I’m sure if apple removes all these features they could sell the phone for $350 but what would be the point?

 

[Baymowe335]

I think the news here is the iPhone XR is outselling the XS by a country mile. 20% for XS+XS Max vs. 50% for XR.

With this in mind I tend to believe that Apple will have to pick up the pace with the XS line.

At this rate I’m tempted to say the S10 line might be outselling the XS?

The S10 isn't selling 40M units annually.

 

[realtuner]

The S10 isn't selling 40M units annually.

Exactly. Which is pathetic considering Samsung at one point sold 80-100 million Galaxy S phones in a year. It’s been all downhill since the S4, which sold a whopping 10 million in less than a month.

 

[FFR]

The S10 isn't selling 40M units annually.

The s10 plus barely sold 6 million units before sales completely collapsed.

They will be lucky if they can sell more than 15 million units of the s10 this year, Samsung mobile is collapsing at such a fast pace, throw in the note 10 variants in there as well.

The s9 flopped hard last year as well.

Exactly. Which is pathetic considering Samsung at one point sold 80-100 million Galaxy S phones in a year. It’s been all downhill since the S4, which sold a whopping 10 million in less than a month.

Yeah that’s not going to happen again.
Galaxy s is turning into the new blackberry.

Even Samsung seems to have moved on to the midrange series.

Samsung is shifting its focus to mid-range smartphones
https://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-strategy-mid-range-smartphones-2018-9?r=US&IR=T

Midrange Samsung phones may get new features before flagships do
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-midrange-phone-strategy-2018/

 

[Breaking Good]

The iPhone XR is a great smartphone. The iPhone XS and XS Max are awesome smartphones.

No reason to pay for an awesome smartphone if a great smartphone is good enough for you.

If you need or just want an awesome smartphone and can afford it, then by all means get an iPhone XS or XS Max.

If you don't like iOS, then there are plenty of great or awesome Android phones for you to choose from and many are very reasonably priced.

 

[GuruZac]

I see them everywhere now in pretty much every color. For whatever reason, I see a lot of the yellow ones. It's honestly an excellent phone, and the additional features in iOS 13 have made it even better. I don't miss 3D Touch anymore with Quick Access and other than not having the ability to shoot portrait mode except for people, it's a perfect replacement for any iPhone prior to the X.

On a side note, I have 3 buddies at work with the iPhone XS Max, and boy is it tough to justify paying $450 more than the XR for a .4" larger OLED display and a second camera that isn't even the main shooter...not to take anything away from the XS Max as it is a fantastic phone. It's just that the XR is really damn good for the significantly less expensive cost vs the XS models.
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Cheapest "new" iPhone is the most popular. Shocking

It's not shocking when you consider what you are getting in the XR vs the XS models. It's 90%+ identical and has better battery life and fun colors.

It is shocking if you consider that the more expensive iPhone 5s far outsold the cheaper 5c, and we all know why that happened. Apple was smart with the XR. They gave people virtually all of the features most people cared about; battery life, wireless charging, Face ID, same processor, same cameras and ability to shoot in portrait mode. The 5C had a dated processor and no Touch ID.

 

[Moi Ici]

So you don’t use Gmail, Google Maps, Google Search, YouTube, Facebook, etc on your iPhone??
Good luck with thinking you have privacy...

Nope! Sometimes I do use YouTube, but don’t consent to most requests and do not sign in. I use @me, DuckDuckGo, don’t use Facebook at all, I use apple Maps.

 

[Timemaster]

The iPhone XR is a great smartphone. The iPhone XS and XS Max are awesome smartphones.

No reason to pay for an awesome smartphone if a great smartphone is good enough for you.

If you need or just want an awesome smartphone and can afford it, then by all means get an iPhone XS or XS Max.

If you don't like iOS, then there are plenty of great or awesome Android phones for you to choose from and many are very reasonably priced.

I think you hit it on the head.
The XR vs XS/Max. Lets see what the differences are. The XS has a slightly better camera, 3d touch and oled. Everything ls is the same.
That is same CPU, same ram, same everything. I have an XR because the price difference between to go to the XS from the XR was not worth it. XR is a great phone but Xs does not offer much to make it worth the extra money.
As for the Xs Max. It is just to big and I do not want a phone that big so it was never in the running.

 

[GuruZac]

Nothing premium about the XR except the price.

No I'm one who said it was overpriced and I'd never buy one.

The uniformed public often make poor purchasing decisions.

Nothing premium? Except the fastest processor available. Except cameras equal to other flagships as much or more expensive. Except the most advanced and secure biometric security feature with Face ID. I suppose the fact that it uses an LCD display so necessarily must have slightly larger bezels than OLED displays make it non-premium? It's an all glass and aluminum phone with some of the best internals available on any smartphone. It's 90%+ an iPhone XS at well under $1000. I honestly don't understand why you post here. You really do come across as someone who loves to troll the site.

 

[GuruZac]

It’s not about frequenting YouTube channels it was posted to the board.

Almost every youtuber and a lot of members on this board trashed the display and announced no one would buy it.

Oh yeah, I remember. And yet, when I hold my XR right next to a XS or XS Max, I have to go searching for the differences in resolution. They're just not noticeable. What is noticeable is the blacks on the OLED displays. Much better. But all in all, for $750, the XR is a hell of a good phone.

 

[FFR]

Oh yeah, I remember. And yet, when I hold my XR right next to a XS or XS Max, I have to go searching for the differences in resolution. They're just not noticeable. What is noticeable is the blacks on the OLED displays. Much better. But all in all, for $750, the XR is a hell of a good phone.

If any of the haters had a valid point it wouldn’t have sold.

It’s a great phone. Enjoy it in good health.

 

[laz232]

Interesting that there is still about 10% of iPhone SE sales - the one I have myself, and IMO - the best formfactor and industrial design...

(and yes, I can afford any of the iPhones - I just choose the maintain the SE)

 

[Khedron]

Nothing premium? Except the fastest processor available. Except cameras equal to other flagships as much or more expensive. Except the most advanced and secure biometric security feature with Face ID. I suppose the fact that it uses an LCD display so necessarily must have slightly larger bezels than OLED displays make it non-premium? It's an all glass and aluminum phone with some of the best internals available on any smartphone. It's 90%+ an iPhone XS at well under $1000. I honestly don't understand why you post here. You really do come across as someone who loves to troll the site.

I just give my honest opinion. For Apple you always pay more but the XR has such a gulf between the price and the quality that it worries me that this is the future of Apple. The XR is the Tim Apple Profit Margin phone.
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Anandtech made that claim and they only test flagships and mid-upper range phones.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13912/the-apple-iphone-xr-review-brilliant-battery-life

"The difference is immediately visible and personally I don’t find it very endearing for the phone, as the new bezels are actually thicker than any past iPhone. The comparison to some recent Android phones is even less favourable for the XR, as some have side bezels of less than half the size, even those with LCD panels."

"you might find it hard to get used to the less defined and blurrier text of the iPhone XR. I think the main issue I have with the iPhone XR’s display is that it’s actually somewhat of a downgrade from the iPhone 8 Plus in terms of resolution – while I understand that Apple wanted to use a more affordable panel, I do think it would have prudent to at least match the 401ppi pixel density of an iPhone 8 Plus."

"even though all other aspects of the XR’s screen are excellent, it does feel like a compromise for the phone."

 

[GuruZac]

I just give my honest opinion. For Apple you always pay more but the XR has such a gulf between the price and the quality that it worries me that this is the future of Apple. The XR is the Tim Apple Profit Margin phone.

Again, you need to reiterate what is not premium about the iPhone XR. I gave you several examples of why the XR is considered a premium device. Only the screen resolution is not "premium" in my opinion, but as far as LCDs go, it's a fantastic display.

 

[Khedron]

Again, you need to reiterate what is not premium about the iPhone XR. I gave you several examples of why the XR is considered a premium device. Only the screen resolution is not "premium" in my opinion, but as far as LCDs go, it's a fantastic display.

Screen resolution, screen contrast, bezel size, RAM, cameras, and LTE speeds are all mid-range at best.

The point of a premium product is that you don’t make compromises. The XR is the embodiment of compromise.

If Tim had a lower speed CPU currently being manufactured in sufficient numbers it would be in the XR.

Being made from glass and aluminium is not premium either, it’s now standard.