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Why would someone upgrade from an X to Xs?! I thought that before any of these reviews but clearly the experts are saying the same now.

I wouldn’t even dare upgrade from an X to an Xr!
 



iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max reviews have hit the web, three days before the smartphones are released in stores.

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2018 is what is known as a "S" year--hence the XS branding--in which Apple retains the same physical design of the iPhone, for the most part, and instead focuses on internal improvements to the display, camera, performance, and so forth. Previous examples include the iPhone 4s, iPhone 5s, and iPhone 6s series.

Not only that, but Apple said last year's iPhone X set the standard for the next decade of the smartphone, with its premium design and nearly edge-to-edge display, leaving the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max with big shoes to fill.

All that considered, let's dive in and see how they stack up.

After nearly six days of trying out the devices, many media outlets agree that the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max are "evolutionary, not revolutionary," as Wired's Lauren Goode put it. TechCrunch's Matthew Panzarino went as far as labeling the smaller-sized iPhone XS as "one of Apple's most 'S' models ever."


That's not necessarily a bad thing. As in many "S" years, if you already own the previous-year's device--in this case the iPhone X--Panzarino said there are only "about a half-dozen definitive improvements" in the iPhone XS. But, for customers upgrading from an older iPhone, he said they'll be in for "a huge win."In terms of specific features, The Verge's Nilay Patel has good impressions about Face ID, the rear camera, performance, battery life, and more. As he reminds readers, the only differences with the iPhone XS Max versus the smaller iPhone XS are its larger 6.5-inch display and longer battery life.


Patel on Face ID:On the rear camera:performance:Battery life:If you are a diehard Apple fan who can't wait to get your hands on the latest and greatest iPhone, you're probably going to choose the iPhone XS, or specifically the iPhone XS Max, regardless. For others, it may be best to wait until Friday, October 19, when the lower-priced iPhone XR becomes available to order.

iPhone XR is often described as the iPhone X for the rest of us. While reviews of the device are not out today, we know it has a nearly edge-to-edge display, Face ID, glass casing, wireless charging, and many other advantages of the iPhone XS, including new camera features such as Depth Control and Smart HDR.

CNET's Scott Stein:The Wall Street Journal's Joanna Stern:Many other publications have shared iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max reviews that are worth a read. We've rounded up links below.
The New York Times
Mashable
USA Today
CNBC
TechRadar
Tom's Guide
The Telegraph
iNews
Pocket-lint

iPhone and iPhone XS will go on sale, and begin arriving to customers, this Friday. For those who decide to wait for the iPhone XR, reviews of that device will likely hit the web a few days before its October 26 release date.

Article Link: iPhone XS and XS Max Reviews: Not Dramatically Better Than iPhone X, Consider Waiting for iPhone XR

Not dramatically better but better nonetheless from the X and especially the Xr.
 
If you don’t mind the high price tag and big screen phone, go with the max. It has a better battery life.
Physically, the Max is almost the exact size of the 7+ and 8+ iPhones. So for me, it's the Max.
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Nope. I have the same here because I'm short-sighted and move the phone closer to my face at night/morning before I put my lenses in; the X doesn't recognise me close up.
Sorry, I'm confused. Can't you just hold the phone further away until it unlocks? What is it about unlocking your iPhone that requires you to put it so close to your face so you can read "something"? Can't you just extend your arm 12 inches, unlock it, and then bring it closer again to read stuff?

I don't wear glasses, so I have no idea what your use case looks like.
 
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I am the only one to view Face ID as a huge downside? Are people really that lazy to type in a passcode? Face ID screams Big Brother no matter how you look at it, and it seems that all future Apple phones are fully onboard. (and Android is worse being tied to a mandatory Google account if you want to do anything at all on it).

Apple claims Face ID is processed on the phone locally, but where is the guarantee that they wont open it up when .gov flexes its hand? All major tech companies are already in bed with Big Brother despite all of their privacy talk (look at their actions - Big Brother is made mandatory via cloud with non-cloud functionality slowly eliminated (in the name of convenience, ofcourse). Either way, Face ID is a huge negative for me, which is why both me and wife will continue using our 7+ and 8 until they fall apart.

Rant aside, what XR should have done is drop Face ID and instead go with OLED and dual rear camera, while keeping the price the same - that would have been a real winner and a real upgrade from 7/8. Current form XR is a downgrade for a 7/8 user due to inferior (to 7/8) display, Face ID Big Brother, worse camera (compared to the +). Yes it has faster CPU, but i think phones are at a point where further CPU speed increase wont matter for 99% of population (After A10).

Oh, and faster LTE made me laugh. At least for USA with its cellular oligopoly, LTE speeds can rarely go above 10/20Mbps (and this is best case scenario at least here on the east coast). You will always be limited by the carrier, and faster phone LTE implementation wont matter.
 
I just don't get all these people who compare the XS and XS Max to last year's X. Do the really upgrade every year? My iPhone 6 is 4 years old. the iPhone before that lasted 3 years. Who keeps thinking they need to upgrade every year?
 
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I just don't get all these people who compare the XS and XS Max to last year's X. Do the really upgrade every year? My iPhone 6 is 4 years old. the iPhone before that lasted 3 years. Who keeps thinking they need to upgrade every year?

Because it doesn't cost me any more money to upgrade every year, being that I'm on the Verizon iPhone Annual Upgrade plan. In fact, since I'm getting getting the Xr this year, my interest free monthly payment will actually be less than it was before.
 
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It terrifies me that you're checking text messages while riding a motorcycle.

"checking text messages" No.

Like every other modern motorcyclist, phones are front and center because they control the music into our bluetooth enabled helmets, incoming calls, Siri communication like "take me home" or "turn on the air conditioner" and when a message comes in, I see it without changing the view.

Motorcycles now have cruise control, ABS, traction control, rain modes and are even self driving.

The fact that my screen shows a text message isn't the same as digging around in a fanny pack, removing my gloves, clicking a passcode and reading and responding to a message while in traffic.

Even my gloves can interact with the screen now so I can change the song without having to ask Siri while I'm stopped at stop light or waiting for the train.

The only time I've ever had an issue with my mobile phone while riding is when a feature Apple invented calls 911 while I'm riding due to a call not cancelling as it should:


Every time I mention motorcycling on these forums, people beat me up for even owning a phone and owning a motorcycle at the same time as if it's a curse. I ride 14,000 miles a year and that wouldn't be possible without podcasts, music and incoming calls to my helmet since I work a pretty demanding job that requires people be able to reach me. I don't have emails sent to the home screen but a text message I'd like to have open on its own using FaceID by just lifting my visor but I guess that's never going to happen.

This is a normal motorcycle cockpit these days:

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Just for extra, many of my friends are Iron Butt riders and participating in those rallies takes a setup like this:

While I don't think riding around with Iron Butt equipment is necessary, thee's nothing uncommon about Bluetooth comms and a phone front & center these days.

The biggest killer of motorcyclists is
  1. Lack of Helmet
  2. lack of gear
  3. driving while intoxicated
  4. inattentive drivers that rear end us at stops or side-swipe us at 4-way intersections

Distracted driving by motorcyclists isn't even a statistic that is worth reporting on. because despite all of the technologies we have now, motorcycling requires attention to operate. The video I posted above is the most distracted I've ever been and I had to get off the freeway to take care of it and I blame Apple for that one.
 
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I am the only one to view Face ID as a huge downside? Are people really that lazy to type in a passcode? Face ID screams Big Brother no matter how you look at it, and it seems that all future Apple phones are fully onboard. (and Android is worse being tied to a mandatory Google account if you want to do anything at all on it).

Yes you are. In public you need to unlock your phone. Do you a) type the code in where someone can see you do it or a security camera can pick it up, or b) look at your phone / use your finger print.

This enhances security.
 
Yes you are. In public you need to unlock your phone. Do you a) type the code in where someone can see you do it or a security camera can pick it up, or b) look at your phone / use your finger print.

This enhances security.

I never have a problem to discretely unlock my phone with the passcode in public.
The problem with biometrics is that you only have 1 of "it", and if its digital equivalent is stolen (which it will be, only a matter of time) you are basically screwed. Completely not worth it for me for the added "convenience."
 
"checking text messages" No.

Like every other modern motorcyclist, phones are front and center because they control the music into our bluetooth enabled helmets, incoming calls, Siri communication like "take me home" or "turn on the air conditioner" and when a message comes in, I see it without changing the view.

Motorcycles now have cruise control, ABS, traction control, rain modes and are even self driving.

The fact that my screen shows a text message isn't the same as digging around in a fanny pack, removing my gloves, clicking a passcode and reading and responding to a message while in traffic.

Even my gloves can interact with the screen now so I can change the song without having to ask Siri while I'm stopped at stop light or waiting for the train.

The only time I've ever had an issue with my mobile phone while riding is when a feature Apple invented calls 911 while I'm riding due to a call not cancelling as it should:


Every time I mention motorcycling on these forums, people beat me up for even owning a phone and owning a motorcycle at the same time as if it's a curse. I ride 14,000 miles a year and that wouldn't be possible without podcasts, music and incoming calls to my helmet since I work a pretty demanding job that requires people be able to reach me. I don't have emails sent to the home screen but a text message I'd like to have open on its own using FaceID by just lifting my visor but I guess that's never going to happen.

This is a normal motorcycle cockpit these days:

37592516232_3f502df387_b.jpg


Just for extra, many of my friends are Iron Butt riders and participating in those rallies takes a setup like this:

While I don't think riding around with Iron Butt equipment is necessary, thee's nothing uncommon about Bluetooth comms and a phone front & center these days.

The biggest killer of motorcyclists is
  1. Lack of Helmet
  2. lack of gear
  3. driving while intoxicated
  4. inattentive drivers that rear end us at stops or side-swipe us at 4-way intersections

Distracted driving by motorcyclists isn't even a statistic that is worth reporting on. because despite all of the technologies we have now, motorcycling requires attention to operate. The video I posted above is the most distracted I've ever been and I had to get off the freeway to take care of it and I blame Apple for that one.
It also terrifies me that you're paying attention to that many gadgets while riding a motorcycle, but hey, you do you. I won't even look down at my Apple Watch while bicycling.
 
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I would say if you're concerned about the size of the Max, you should definitely consider the Xs. When you go to Apple's site and do the comparison on the phones, you'll see the XR is closer to the Max size than it is to the Xs size. Set the 6 in the first slot, the Xs in the second, and the XR in the third, and you'll see the progression of size pretty well. Just a thought...

What I'll most likely do is wait until the XR comes out and I can hold both in my hand to see which I prefer.
 
Apple says it's working with sunglass makers to ship new kinds of sunglasses that support Face ID.

I'm probably going to regret upgrading to the new iPhone. I bought the iPhone 8 last year because I didn't want to go FaceID the first year and even on year two, I have upgraded but I don't think it's going to work for me.

  • My password is 15 characters which is what work requires for our smartphones.
  • I spend 250 days a year commuting to work on a motorcycle where my face is fully obstructed
  • I wear sunglasses all weekend
  • I wear glasses as well
  • all of my notifications are locked down to require authentication (touch / face) to display the message so I can't read messages without unlocking the phone.

This is going to really suck because right now, I enter my passcode once per week on my phone when it prompts me to at random it seems. I'm going to spend so much time entering my passcode I'm going to probably just use my phone less if FaceID continues to suck.

I have never even touched and iPhone X before so I have no idea how FaceID works but it sounds to me that it's not going to work for my needs.

but TouchID is dead so I just have to deal with it.

Maybe I don't understand your use case, but
  1. Don't read notifications while driving, even when at a light.
  2. Most sunglasses work fine.
  3. Most glasses work fine.
  4. If you're that concerned about security, then you should look forward to FaceID. It is more secure.
Seriously, I don't see what the problem is.
 
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Just as expected. Huge upgrade for users of older phones, but for iPhone X owners quite marginal, with almost the same experience unless you want bigger screen. I’ll pass on this one.
1.5 hour longer battery life, thinner bezels, faster faceID, 7nm, 6.5 inch size, brand new camera. This is the phone the X should've been.

Not to mention that the A12 is literally twice (!!) as fast in the the GPU department.
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I’m happy with my X - skipping this upgrade cycle.
That's fine, but for other users there's no reason to buy an X while the XS exists. Even if the X were still being sold for say 899, you would actually be getting less value.
 
From a 5/6/7/SE owner perspective, the XR is already a very good upgrade.
I think so too. I think the Xs and Max are more geared and beneficial for those who watch videos, play games and don't want to carry a camera. I thought getting a Xs may be a better choice because it already supports Gigabit LTs but I've come to terms that the technology is not quite ready yet and won't be widely available soon to take advantage of it. After reading feedback from users about the speed, I don't think it is necessary to get a Xs and Xr may be the better choice for me. When the Gigabit does become more widely available, by then it will be time to upgrade.
 
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Perfect! That's exactly what I wanted. I'm upgrading from a 4 year old iPhone 6 Plus. I almost pulled the trigger last year with the X, but I really wanted the bigger display along with another year of refinement for Face ID. I'm quite happy I ordered the Xs Max.
I went through the exact same thought process
 
That's what I may end up doing. I originally planned on picking up a cheaper X. Well since they eliminated that possibility. I might upgrade my 7 to a 128gb XR. which is perfect for my needs. 64gb is too small and I really don't need 256Gb for the extra $$$ but who knows I may change my mind LOL

Well, I Changed my mind. I ended up going to one of the AT&T stores here and traded my iPhone 7 128gb for a 256gb X. :)
 
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I think these iPhones are all truly underpriced based on the value they add to my life.

I went XS Max, as I think the Max will possibly reduce my need for carrying my iPad Pro with me everywhere I go.

I bought unlocked. If given the opportunity, I will buy the true dual SIM due to traveling.

I currently use a Verizon with iPhone 8, and T-Mobile with iPhone 8 that allows me to use it worldwide. One for work. One for personal use. The two problems I have are getting T-Mobile to work in US and getting Verizon to work internationally.

If the true dual SIM has band 71 for T-Mobile and does the CDMA networks, I will buy my first iPhone that solves all my problems and just works. Right now, no dual SIM I have found works with Verizon. Readings Apple’s peg about eSIM, I think it sucks that the feature isn’t working from launch day.

We all know how frustrating it can be waiting for an Apple promised software update.
 
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I think these iPhones are all truly underpriced based on the value they add to my life.

I went XS Max, as I think the Max will possibly reduce my need for carrying my iPad Pro with me everywhere I go.

I bought unlocked. If given the opportunity, I will buy the true dual SIM due to traveling.

I currently use a Verizon with iPhone 8, and T-Mobile with iPhone 8 that allows me to use it worldwide. One for work. One for personal use. The two problems I have are getting T-Mobile to work in US and getting Verizon to work internationally.

If the true dual SIM has band 71 for T-Mobile and does the CDMA networks, I will buy my first iPhone that solves all my problems and just works. Right now, no dual SIM I have found works with Verizon. Readings Apple’s peg about eSIM, I think it sucks that the feature isn’t working from launch day.

We all know how frustrating it can be waiting for an Apple promised software update.

XS Max should’ve had Pencil support.
 
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It's quite smart of Apple to hold off on releasing the cheaper one for a month. All the people who get hyped for a new phone will get the expensive one, even if they might have chose the Xr. I always wondered if they made more of the larger storage ones during the early days of a phones release too. If they are all going to sell out anyway, make it so some people choose to get the higher storage option than they would have if there was availability.

I'd have no problem if they just made all models $100 more expensive for the first 4 weeks. Some people would call that price gouging, but's it's hardly any different than any other pricing segmentation strategy. It's just more apparent.
 
"checking text messages" No.

Like every other modern motorcyclist, phones are front and center because they control the music into our bluetooth enabled helmets, incoming calls, Siri communication like "take me home" or "turn on the air conditioner" and when a message comes in, I see it without changing the view.

Motorcycles now have cruise control, ABS, traction control, rain modes and are even self driving.

The fact that my screen shows a text message isn't the same as digging around in a fanny pack, removing my gloves, clicking a passcode and reading and responding to a message while in traffic.

Even my gloves can interact with the screen now so I can change the song without having to ask Siri while I'm stopped at stop light or waiting for the train.

The only time I've ever had an issue with my mobile phone while riding is when a feature Apple invented calls 911 while I'm riding due to a call not cancelling as it should:


Every time I mention motorcycling on these forums, people beat me up for even owning a phone and owning a motorcycle at the same time as if it's a curse. I ride 14,000 miles a year and that wouldn't be possible without podcasts, music and incoming calls to my helmet since I work a pretty demanding job that requires people be able to reach me. I don't have emails sent to the home screen but a text message I'd like to have open on its own using FaceID by just lifting my visor but I guess that's never going to happen.

This is a normal motorcycle cockpit these days:

37592516232_3f502df387_b.jpg


Just for extra, many of my friends are Iron Butt riders and participating in those rallies takes a setup like this:

While I don't think riding around with Iron Butt equipment is necessary, thee's nothing uncommon about Bluetooth comms and a phone front & center these days.

The biggest killer of motorcyclists is
  1. Lack of Helmet
  2. lack of gear
  3. driving while intoxicated
  4. inattentive drivers that rear end us at stops or side-swipe us at 4-way intersections

Distracted driving by motorcyclists isn't even a statistic that is worth reporting on. because despite all of the technologies we have now, motorcycling requires attention to operate. The video I posted above is the most distracted I've ever been and I had to get off the freeway to take care of it and I blame Apple for that one.
You may have to change your helmet if you want to use a FaceID model: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/faceid-w-helmets-etc.2067125/page-2#post-25539957
 
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