iPhones biggest strength is also it's weakness

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by dark_knight177, Nov 21, 2015.

  1. dark_knight177, Nov 21, 2015
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    iPhones have long had a strong side that iPhones get iOS updates fast compared to Android. But now I see this as a weakness. Apple as a company makes money selling new hardware, so it has incentive to slow your old device down with each iOS update so that you eventually buy new hardware from which Apple makes money.

    Now whether the slow down of old devices is intentional or not is a different question. Maybe Apple only optimizes the new iOS releases for the newest hardware essentially making old devices slow. It's quite possible that Apple doesn't intentionally change the code for old devices to make them slow, they just leave them unoptimized. The outcome is the same.

    Whether it's intentional or a side effect doesn't matter, the FACT is a FACT and they do slow down your iPhone each year, despite Apple's claim that iOS 9 makes my iPhone 6 Plus faster.

    I have been Apple fanboy since the original iPhone and have always loved Apple as a company, because I saw it as an underdog and less evil than it's competitors. Now my opinion of Apple has changed completely, I have gone from loving Apple to disliking it. My reasons are as follows:
    1. There's absolutely no justification to release 16gb iPhone ($650) other than pure greed.
    2. They still include only 2gb of ram, probably to make your iPhone's lifespan shorter so that you will buy a new one sooner (Remember Apple makes money selling hardware)
    3. Apple copied Microsoft's idea by releasing iPad Pro and claiming to invent a Pencil and still managed to mock Microsoft for making toaster-fridge
    4. Apple have become too arrogant, always laughing at competitor's ideas and releasing half-baked, bug infested software themselves.
    5. Apple's PR machine influences most tech blogs by making them favor Apple regardless of what they release and downplay every single major flaws of its products.
    6. Apple tries to portray itself as less evil by always mentioning in keynotes that Google sells your data. On other hand Apple slows down your devices to make you buy new iPhone. No Google doesn't sell your data and for all intents and purposes Google is much less evil than Apple. In fact Google's moto is "Don't be evil".
    7. But here is the shocker, despite criticizing Google and telling you that you are the product, Apple also serves targeted ads! They call it iAds and you can read about it here https://developer.apple.com/iad/. In fact most free apps in iOS make money by serving iAds. Prominent examples that serve iAds are Speedtest.net, Arrow and thousands of others. And by the way, Apple keeps 40% of the ad revenue!! Now tell me who is evil? If you are still affected by the reality distortion field, now is the time to snap out of it.
    I have since moved to Nexus 6P, because I would hate to own iPhone 6S and have Apple slow it down next year by releasing iOS which supposedly makes it "faster".
     
  2. Act3 macrumors 6502a

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    The walmart where I live has a 5s on display that still has 7.0 running on it. I played around with it for about 5 minutes, immediately noticed how much more responsive and smoother it was than my iPhone 6 running 9.1 despite the fact the 5S was running 7.0, not 7.1.2
     
  3. rtomyj macrumors 6502a

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    1) You pay for hardware get software free and secure (for the most part). Just don't be an idiot. If you use a lot of space cause of photos, use iCloud Photo Library, pay .99 a month and use optimize storage. Apple gave devs a resource to have apps use less storage. They also made it so updates don't take as much storage. I agree it's a bad deal however, but people bitch for bitches sake and don't see alternatives cause that's too hard I guess.
    2) RAM is used for memory by phone. iOS is known to be great with memory. One gig is nice on my iPhone 6, though one tab on safari is meh. 2 gigs is more than enough for years. Unless of course games becom more hungry. Apps should be fine.
    3) meh I guess. Yea they could've tried harder with the pro but you can't deny that Surface is targeted to business while pro is for artists. 4 speakers, amazing screen, canvas with pencil. So really apples to oranges. The comment flew past you so... Just think about it and it'll make sense. Finally, marketing is marketing. I don't think they ever claimed to be the first to do anything but "revolutionize" this or that. Google the definition and you'll see that most times they are right. Heck didn't Tim say Apple was never first to do things recently? If someone can link to this please!
    4) Wasn't Jobs like that? I do agree they are releasing things not ready. They are stretching too thin. watchOS and TVOS in one year as well as iOS and OsX. That's tough man.
    5) opinions different to yours don't prove bias.
    6) Haha nooo, no.... Google DOES use your info, sells it in form of ad targeting and makes billions off it. It's 2015 can we all agree this is a fact please.
     
  4. garirry macrumors 68000

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    I agree. Apple's work with their iOS devices is nothing more than greed-centered, and the fact that the iPhone 6 is lagging on iOS 9 is a joke. I thought that it had performance improvements? I blame this on Tim Cook, who has zero idea of what he's doing and does everything for the sake of getting money. They already are slowly destroying Mac, and I sure hope that that will stop soon enough. Otherwise, Apple risks of failing massively. It'll take many years, but it happened once, so it can happen again.
     
  5. dark_knight177 thread starter macrumors regular

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    1) Apple provides app thinning but very few apps use it. In fact most apps in App Store use much more storage than the same apps on Android. For example look up Microsoft Word, Excel and Powerpoint both on App store and Play Market and you can see than all Android apps are at least %50 more compact than iOS. In iOS, Excel is 560mb, on Android it's 65mb !!! The same goes for facebook, instagram and whatsapp apps. But I guess tech sites conveniently don't mention this fact.
    For all intents and purposes 16gb in Android will go a long way compared to iOS. Which means 16gb iPhone is very very little in today's standards.

    2) That's completely false! My Nexus 6P can keep open much more apps without reloading compared to my wive's iPhone 6S. I guess you are reading all this "iOS is more efficient" propaganda from Apple's PR machine.
     
  6. Abazigal macrumors 604

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    And I am not going to bother trying to justify it, barring "Just don't get that model".

    My point is that the iPhone is still the best phone for me despite all these drawbacks that you just mentioned. I went with the 64gb iPhone 6S+, meaning that I actually paid less, not more. Yeah, I don't deny that Apple products tend to cost more upfront, but I find that they have more than paid for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems.

    Apple makes money selling hardware, which means that I am the customer, not the product. Their customer service has been second to none, and I am generally very happy with the state of their ecosystem.

    I would argue that the ipad Pro remains fundamentally very different from the Surface Pro, but that is probably another debate for another day. In short, the both products will likely converge on the same end point, but Microsoft and Apple are both going about it from different starting points, and ultimately, I prefer Apple's odds of succeeding compared to Microsoft's.

    Apple has always been arrogant. That's what I like about them - how they often march to their own beat without caring two hoots about what the rest of the competition is doing.

    And other companies don't?

    A motto by itself is meaningless. Google has done a ton of things that clearly contradict its own "Don't be evil" motto, from tracking Safari browser users to sniffing wifi passwords. That Google doesn't sell my data does not change the fact that they are tracking and aggregating my personal data nevertheless, and so I am already starting to reduce my reliance on Google's services where possible (e.g.: using Apple Maps over Google Maps) and blocking tracking and ads where it is not feasible (via Ad-block and Ghostery).

    Between Google and Apple, I will side with Apply any day, but I realise that boils down to personal preference more than anything else.

    And I hope you are happy with your new phone. I genuinely mean it. Try out a new platform by all means. Either you realise that you prefer it more, or you realise that you still appreciate the iPhone for what it is, flaws and all, and come back. Either way, I hope it all turns out for best for you.
     
  7. garirry macrumors 68000

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    That's not the problem, the problem is that for 700$, it's not a proper storage level, no matter what. Not to mention that storage has decreased so much in price that it's just embarrassing.
    I agree, but the problem is that nowadays, they rush things, offer buggy software at launch, don't finish the new things they're doing (Yosemite's design, Disk Utility, iOS for iPad Pro, etc.), and so on and so on.
     
  8. sanke1 macrumors 65816

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    I got stuck on your 5th point which I have made bold. That's damn true. Sites like The Verge, Anandtech, WSJ are practically slaves of Apple and they will shower praises on each and every Apple product. No one dares to critically analyze any of Apple's iDevice during review. The reviews feel like glorified promotion material.
    Especially Anandtech was always in bed with Apple and this was proved when their boss Mr. Anand left and started working at Apple. Rest of Anandtech's reviews are very thorough, I give you that. Next The Verge's former head Joshua Topolsky was self proclaimed Apple fanboy. WSJ's Joanna Stern previously worked at The Verge with Joshua Topolsky and is also a huge Apple fangirl. Read her flowery review here.

    I am saying is if the product is not as advertised, these presstitutes (Press + prostitutes is what I call them) shamelessly hide it. Case in point: iPad Pro. There is nothing Pro about it and is just a glorified consumption tablet with no real productivity uses.

    All the review sites fear that if they highlight negatives of Apple product, they will not get the ticket to Apple's next event.

    I do admire Macrumors for reporting all good and bad news about Apple. I also enjoy their live reporting from events. I surprisingly find their views to be more balanced.

    Thanks for raising a valid point.
     
  9. I7guy macrumors G5

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    Good points and I can't wait for the iPhone 7; going buy it without reading any reviews. :)
     
  10. cardfan macrumors 65816

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    The iPad pro isn't anything like the surface. Ones a full desktop OS and the other is mobile. Is it the kb cover? It's the iPad that inspired those. A stylus? Yep. Microsoft invented those.

    Apple generates hits to websites. It's probably not fair in terms of biased coverage and reviews but not much in life is fair.

    16gb is low sure. But it's base price. Simple marketing.

    Apple has lots they could improve but the competition for the most part is far worse.
     
  11. rtomyj macrumors 6502a

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    1) You are then better off blaming devs than Apple.

    2) Honestly I didn't reply fully to the last point because you fail to understand RAM. The 6P has 3GB while 6S has 2. 2<3... Makes sense?
     
  12. dark_knight177 thread starter macrumors regular

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    1) Devs have nothing to do with it. It's by design. iOS uses native code to run applications which usually takes more storage, while Android uses something called bytecode which is compiled on-demand the first time application is run.

    2) You kept telling me that iOS doesn't need more RAM, but I just proved to you that it indeed does. You obviously failed to understand that.
     
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    1. Sounds more like you are the greedy one actually.
    2. With 2GB, the iPAd Air 2 can do side by side multi-tasking. I have a Oneplus One with 3GB of RAM, and it lags and runs like molasses.
    3. Microsoft also mocked Apple on every Surface announcements. It's called marketing.
    4. At least on iOS ecosystem, I know my device will be supported for at least 2, 3 years, or even longer. Can't say the same on other ecosystems
    5. It's the other way around. The Tech whores/blogs say good things about Apple to gain favors so they can get invited to Apple event.
    6. LOL. Google is less evil? They actually changed their "don't be evil."

    Enjoy your Huawei phone. Make sure you get the extended warranty just in case it bends or the camera bar cracks.
     
  15. Radon87000 macrumors 601

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    Agreed.Its apparent Apple slows down devices with each update.Owning a Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 tablet and a iPhone 6 and Air 2,I have noticed that Android updates tend to not slow the device down whereas iOS 9 has already lagged out the iphone 6..Problem in the Android world is lack of updates but when you DO get it,you have the option to downgrade any time you want and the updates dont slow down the device whereas in Apple you get no such choice.Enjoy your Nexus 6P.Its an awesome phone :)
     
  16. QuickDraw, Nov 22, 2015
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    o_O, native code takes more storage up than what? You realize that byte code, once compiled is native code? On newer Android versions, apps are compiled to native code at app installation time.

    You proved exactly nothing.Differences in code sizes are not because of native code vs byte code.
     
  17. GreyOS macrumors 68030

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    Is that the actual installed app size or the size of the initial download from the store? I think Android app downloads have to be 100mb or less and anything else extra has to be downloaded on demand. Could be wrong. On the other hand Apple's app limit is 2gb? I would be very surprised if Excel on Android didn't download more after the initial download. Please let me know!
     
  18. torukawahata macrumors member

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    I don't think the iPhone 6 being slow is proof of Apple slowing down their phones. Until ios9 every iphone started suffering only on their third major update! IOS 9 problem is probably bad coding.
     
  19. Radon87000, Nov 22, 2015
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    Just checked on my Nexus 5.Its a 65MB download and after installing it occupies 191MB.So yeah quite a whole lot less than iOS.In fact majority of apps on Android take less space than on iOS.eg-Asphalt 8 on Android takes up only 900 MB on Android but 1.4GB on iOS
    Out of curiosity I checked my Lumia 950 and it occupies 105MB on Windows 10 Mobile.Dunno why iOS has it 5 times higher
     
  20. QuickDraw macrumors regular

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    Android could be smarter in resource use. e.g. not keeping resources on the device which are not needed for that particular device. (especially as App Thinning on iOS is likely not implemented widely yet). Or perhaps IOS need more statically linked libraries compared to Android.
     
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    Which is why generally it seems android requires more ram than iOS.
     
  22. dark_knight177 thread starter macrumors regular

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    It's also probably because iOS isn't a true opererating system. It lacks file management capabilities and true multitasking, except for apple built-in apps. Everything in iOS requires 10 extra steps:

    1. Want to copy mp3 to iPhone? It takes 15 steps, iTunes and possible erasing your old library if synced to a different pc

    2. Want to modify a file which resides in a different app? you can do that too, but it will require you 10 more steps to do so and you will end up with 2 versions of the same file.

    For me iOS is not an operating system, it's just a lightweight skin, but even then apple still managed to make it laggy with iOS 9
     
  23. I7guy macrumors G5

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    You can label IOS anything you want. Your thread, your opininion. :rolleyes:

    As far as use case 2, I really don't know what you are trying to say. I have pages and my docs are on icloud. Also just got office 2016/365. Unless you are talking about hex editing a binary file; those common use cases work very well.

    As far as IOS 9, it's one of the best O/S releases since IOS 6.
     
  24. Abazigal macrumors 604

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    There are actually many things in iOS which I am accomplishing using way fewer steps than on a PC, precisely because there is no file system. I actually prefer that my files are silo'ed by app because this means that they are readily accessible whenever I open that app. I don't have to go drilling deep into a hierarchical file structure just to locate the file I want to open.

    I know you are deliberately exaggerating here, but for me at least, iOS is every bit as worthy an operating system as Windows or OSX. Yes, it has its quirks and shortcomings, but there have been many situations in which I have valued its simplicity and ease of use.

    I genuinely do not believe that the future of iOS is to adopt all these archaic legacy PC features like a file manager.
     
  25. dark_knight177, Nov 22, 2015
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    You do realize that in Android you don't have to drill deep into hierarchical file structure either, right?
    You just open the app and it opens the file automatically, one example is Google Photos app. The difference is that you can open the same file in different apps in Android, whereas in iOS it takes you 10 extra steps and you will end up with multiple copies of the same file. It's just poor design and a nightmare to manage files.
    Your point doesn't make any sense.

    One example is this, do this:
    Open your picture in Camera+ app, modify the file. Then try opening the same file in Retrica. You can't do that, unless you save the modified file back to camera roll, then import that file into Retrica, then save that file to camera roll again. You will end up with 3 different copies of the same picture in camera roll. Additionally you will have a copy of each file in both Camera+ and Retrica apps. In the end you will end up with 5 copies of the same picture. There's no justification for this poor design. It's a nightmare!!! There's just no way you guys can't see that this is a huge flaw.

    But i guess when Apple "invents" file manager in iOS 12, you guys will be praising Apple how genius and innovative it is.
     

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