iPhones biggest strength is also it's weakness

[Radon87000]

I personally would rather have the updates and deal with the other "stuff". I'm happy the way my ipad 2 runs on IOS 9 and the new functionality over IOS 8.

With Nexus you get that too.People develop custom ROMs which you can flash your Nexus to get the latest version and downgrade any time you want to

 

[I7guy]

With Nexus you get that too.People develop custom ROMs which you can flash your Nexus to get the latest version and downgrade any time you want to

That's not my thing. Choices are great. I specifically have an iphone because I don't want to fiddle and don't feel the need to go between the latest version and a downgrade.

 

[Radon87000]

That's not my thing. Choices are great. I specifically have an iphone because I don't want to fiddle and don't feel the need to go between the latest version and a downgrade.

You will,next year,when Apple cripples the 6S like it did for the 6 to get people to upgrade to 7

 

[I7guy]

You will,next year,when Apple cripples the 6S like it did for the 6 to get people to upgrade to 7

I'll take my chances.

 

[torukawahata]

My suspicion is that the iPhone 6/6+ will show slowdown effects more quickly than other iPhones because the are hit with having 64-bit architecture and higher resolution screens, but stuck with 1GB of RAM.

My iPhone 5 (32-bit A6, 1136x640 screen) with 1GB of RAM runs perfectly smoothly on iOS 9.

I don't think Apple is intentionally writing software to slow down older iPhones. I rarely see iOS 9 complaints from 5/5S users. Apple screwed iPhone 6/6+ users by being stingy with 1GB of RAM! That's even more unforgivable IMO than the 16GB base model storage capacity.

Or perhaps Metal is slowing down IOS, which is strange because my mac got faster than ever with El capitan

 

[Abazigal]

With Nexus you get that too.People develop custom ROMs which you can flash your Nexus to get the latest version and downgrade any time you want to

Nexus isn't available for sale in Singapore, and even if I imported one, I would worry about problems like network compatibility and warranty support. The iPhone is readily available in many countries, and Apple's customer support is very good.

Or perhaps Metal is slowing down IOS, which is strange because my mac got faster than ever with El capitan

The funny thing was that my iPhone 5s was actually very fast and smooth when I was on the iOS 9 beta. Problem was that it tend to overheat and suffer from poor battery life. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is due to metal overtaxing the system too much, which is why Apple is holding back from implementing it yet.

Hope they sort it out soon, because the performance improvements are really fairly significant in my experience.

 

[convergent]

With Nexus you get that too.People develop custom ROMs which you can flash your Nexus to get the latest version and downgrade any time you want to

Or you can buy an iPhone and let Apple take care of everyone quickly getting updates and use your phone for what you bought it for. I personally prefer that rather than playing with ROMS, flashing, and downgrading.

 

[kdarling]

Apple makes money selling hardware, which means that I am the customer, not the product.

That's a nice motto.

A motto by itself is meaningless. Google has done a ton of things that clearly contradict its own "Don't be evil" motto, from tracking Safari browser users to sniffing wifi passwords.

(True, a responsible manager should've stopped the Safari tracking trick. False, they don't sniff passwords. They store them in your account backup as noted in various user guides.)

As you say, a motto by itself is meaningless.

Apple, like Google, also sells ad spots using personal data they have collected. In Apple's case, the information comes from our iTunes account information, iTunes purchases, and our locations.

Apple also sells access to its customers as a product another way, by charging banks a fee to be allowed on Apple Pay.

That Google doesn't sell my data does not change the fact that they are tracking and aggregating my personal data nevertheless,

Much of which anyone can view and control via their Google dashboard. Apple has no such dashboard to let us see or modify our info. E.g. how they've categorized us for iAds.

 

[Abazigal]

That's a nice motto.

It's not a motto. It's what I honestly feel.

Apple, like Google, also sells ad spots using personal data they have collected. In Apple's case, the information comes from our iTunes account information, iTunes purchases, and our locations.

So where are the Apple ads? I for one don't think I have been served any.

Apple also sells access to its customers as a product another way, by charging banks a fee to be allowed on Apple Pay.

How is this even remotely comparable to being paid to serve me ads?

 

[dark_knight177]

So where are the Apple ads? I for one don't think I have been served any.

Apple serves ads in most free apps which opted to use iAds. Apple does the same thing Google does, it sells targeted ads and then goes to portray google as evil.

 

[adamhenry]

I have never seen an iAd? What kind of apps?

 

[dark_knight177]

I have never seen an iAd? What kind of apps?

read this https://developer.apple.com/iad/

Speedtest.net app is one example which serves ads. There are millions others.

 

[adamhenry]

read this https://developer.apple.com/iad/

Speedtest.net app is one example which serves ads. There are millions others.

Thanks, I was wrong. I've seen the ads on speediest.

 

[Tthomas612]

These threads honestly get old...

I'm an Apple fanboy, but....

Honestly why would I care if you're a fanboy or not? I'm not truly a fanboy or not a fanboy. I get what works for me and the iPhone works. The 6s is a monster of a device and that's that...

Of course older phones are going to slow down. Intentionally? Hell no. Check out a Galaxy S3 and tell me that phone hasn't "slowed down." This slow down crap is in the mind. It's not intentional because it's hardware. The hardware gets older so it slows down...

For instance the iPhone 6 was crippled with 1 gig of RAM from beginning. I just don't understand these threads.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

These threads honestly get old...

I'm an Apple fanboy, but....

Honestly why would I care if you're a fanboy or not? I'm not truly a fanboy or not a fanboy. I get what works for me and the iPhone works. The 6s is a monster of a device and that's that...

Of course older phones are going to slow down. Intentionally? Hell no. Check out a Galaxy S3 and tell me that phone hasn't "slowed down." This slow down crap is in the mind. It's not intentional because it's hardware. The hardware gets older so it slows down...

For instance the iPhone 6 was crippled with 1 gig of RAM from beginning. I just don't understand these threads.

Amen

 

[Radon87000]

These threads honestly get old...

I'm an Apple fanboy, but....

Honestly why would I care if you're a fanboy or not? I'm not truly a fanboy or not a fanboy. I get what works for me and the iPhone works. The 6s is a monster of a device and that's that...

Of course older phones are going to slow down. Intentionally? Hell no. Check out a Galaxy S3 and tell me that phone hasn't "slowed down." This slow down crap is in the mind. It's not intentional because it's hardware. The hardware gets older so it slows down...

For instance the iPhone 6 was crippled with 1 gig of RAM from beginning. I just don't understand these threads.

Galaxy S3 is more usable than the iPhone 4S.I know since I checked em both.
iPhone 6 is a year old.Ram or not,there's no excuse it lags with iOS 9 when phones like the Nexus 6 handle Marshmallow like a champ

 

[QCassidy352]

I agree. Apple's work with their iOS devices is nothing more than greed-centered, and the fact that the iPhone 6 is lagging on iOS 9 is a joke. I thought that it had performance improvements?

My iPhone 6 is the same, if not faster, on iOS 9 as it was on 8. Not sure what you're talking about.

 

[convergent]

Yo

Galaxy S3 is more usable than the iPhone 4S.I know since I checked em both.
iPhone 6 is a year old.Ram or not,there's no excuse it lags with iOS 9 when phones like the Nexus 6 handle Marshmallow like a champ

Total BS. My wife just retired her 4S which ran fine updated to latest. Not a speed demon but she was happy with it. In comparison, my Galaxy S5 was a laggy inconsistent kludgey from the day I opened the box. Update that S3 you have and... Of wait... You probably can't update it. Currently have a 5s, two 6's, and a 6s Plus in the family and they all run fine on the latest. My guess is you've loaded it up with some crap.

 

[Jsameds]

When will people understand that the speed and responsiveness of a device isn't just down to model number and OS version? This is literally the first thing you learn when you get your first PC. It's all fine and dandy until that one day when you realise that it's gone from a lightning fast computer 12 months ago to Pentium II speed today. What happened? It's a) how you've set it up and b) what you have installed on it.

On an iPhone, there's a million different combinations of settings for a starter, and this can make a hell of a difference to the speed and perceived speed of the device. Then there's your photos, apps, documents, music, podcasts, games, messages, notifications, emails and everything that you add on afterwards. After a while it get's bogged down and begins to slow.

Let's not forget that we update the actual apps too. Even that can make a huge difference to the speed. An app that was v1.0 when you first got it on iPhone 4S may be v5.0 by now, a much heavier, much more complex app that requires more processing power and therefore runs slower today than four years ago.

Now - I'm not saying that updating your OS isn't a contributory factor, I'm saying that of all the "planned obsolescence" threads and posts I've read, very few of them actually mention anything over the OS version and model number, when there is so much more to it than that.

 

[MrInquestador]

iPhones have long had a strong side that iPhones get iOS updates fast compared to Android. But now I see this as a weakness. Apple as a company makes money selling new hardware, so it has incentive to slow your old device down with each iOS update so that you eventually buy new hardware from which Apple makes money.

Now whether the slow down of old devices is intentional or not is a different question. Maybe Apple only optimizes the new iOS releases for the newest hardware essentially making old devices slow. It's quite possible that Apple doesn't intentionally change the code for old devices to make them slow, they just leave them unoptimized. The outcome is the same.

Whether it's intentional or a side effect doesn't matter, the FACT is a FACT and they do slow down your iPhone each year, despite Apple's claim that iOS 9 makes my iPhone 6 Plus faster.

I have been Apple fanboy since the original iPhone and have always loved Apple as a company, because I saw it as an underdog and less evil than it's competitors. Now my opinion of Apple has changed completely, I have gone from loving Apple to disliking it. My reasons are as follows:

1. There's absolutely no justification to release 16gb iPhone ($650) other than pure greed.
   
2. They still include only 2gb of ram, probably to make your iPhone's lifespan shorter so that you will buy a new one sooner (Remember Apple makes money selling hardware)
   
3. Apple copied Microsoft's idea by releasing iPad Pro and claiming to invent a Pencil and still managed to mock Microsoft for making toaster-fridge
4. Apple have become too arrogant, always laughing at competitor's ideas and releasing half-baked, bug infested software themselves.
5. Apple's PR machine influences most tech blogs by making them favor Apple regardless of what they release and downplay every single major flaws of its products.
6. Apple tries to portray itself as less evil by always mentioning in keynotes that Google sells your data. On other hand Apple slows down your devices to make you buy new iPhone. No Google doesn't sell your data and for all intents and purposes Google is much less evil than Apple. In fact Google's moto is "Don't be evil"

I have since moved to Nexus 6P, because I would hate to own iPhone 6S and have Apple slow it down next year by releasing iOS which supposedly makes it "faster".

My 6 Plus isn't slow but it is compared to my 6s which is to be expected.

 

[Tthomas612]

Galaxy S3 is more usable than the iPhone 4S.I know since I checked em both.
iPhone 6 is a year old.Ram or not,there's no excuse it lags with iOS 9 when phones like the Nexus 6 handle Marshmallow like a champ

Yes I agree ... You agreed with me no argument there. The iPhone 6 was crippled since the beginning.

However the 6s and 6s Plus is not. The 6s will handle iOS 10 like a champ and probably iOS 11. What slows the phones down is different software for different hardware... It's not "intentionally" done by Apple... With the exception of the iPhone 6... If it had gotten 2GB of RAM it would have handled iOS 9 just fine...

Also the S3 runs like crap now. I work with a guy that has an S3 with its last software update and it's rubbish. The iPhone 4s on iOS 8 would run circles around the S3. I don't consider iOS 9 on iPhone 4s because it shouldn't have gotten it!!! Just saying I've seen and held both in my hands and compared ... The S3 is rubbish

 

[Act3]

Yes I agree ... You agreed with me no argument there. The iPhone 6 was crippled since the beginning.

However the 6s and 6s Plus is not. The 6s will handle iOS 10 like a champ and probably iOS 11. What slows the phones down is different software for different hardware... It's not "intentionally" done by Apple... With the exception of the iPhone 6... If it had gotten 2GB of RAM it would have handled iOS 9 just fine...

Also the S3 runs like crap now. I work with a guy that has an S3 with its last software update and it's rubbish. The iPhone 4s on iOS 8 would run circles around the S3. I don't consider iOS 9 on iPhone 4s because it shouldn't have gotten it!!! Just saying I've seen and held both in my hands and compared ... The S3 is rubbish

So Apple is selling crippled devices ? Last I checked, one can still buy a brand new 5s, 6, 6+, mini 2 and air. All of which have 1 gig of RAM. That almost sounds worse then the planned obsolescence argument.

 

[Elisha]

So Apple is selling crippled devices ? Last I checked, one can still buy a brand new 5s, 6, 6+, mini 2 and air. All of which have 1 gig of RAM. That almost sounds worse then the planned obsolescence argument.

To be honest, not quite sure if they are actually manufacturing them or if they are just leftover stock.

 

[Trickhot3102]

The walmart where I live has a 5s on display that still has 7.0 running on it. I played around with it for about 5 minutes, immediately noticed how much more responsive and smoother it was than my iPhone 6 running 9.1 despite the fact the 5S was running 7.0, not 7.1.2

What I wouldn't give to have a 5s run iOS 7! I love iOS 9 on my 5s, but I miss 7. I would've offered to buy the display phone!

 

[Tthomas612]

So Apple is selling crippled devices ? Last I checked, one can still buy a brand new 5s, 6, 6+, mini 2 and air. All of which have 1 gig of RAM. That almost sounds worse then the planned obsolescence argument.

Yes the iPhone 6 was crippled with 1GB OF RAM. I don't care what it sounds worse then... It was crippled from the start. So was the 6+. I'm sure I'm not the only one that shares that opinion... BTW opinion is the key word in that sentence ... Because it's MINE! My opinion...