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What? It doesn't cost Apple 10 billion to R&N a cellphone. That's how much it costs Russia to develop 5th generation stealth aircraft which by the way does a lot more than your 209$ cellphone
Okay, since you have a bead on r and how much did Apple spend on developing the 6s? No guesses now. Because I think you underestimate how many people and how much time and how much money it takes to do all of this. I think a few billion per year; how much is an individual product it's anybody's guess. But none the less the cost of the raw material of the final product is only that due to the volume of phones appl orders at one time.
 
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Okay, since you have a bead on r and how much did Apple spend on developing the 6s? No guesses now. Because I think you underestimate how many people and how much time and how much money it takes to do all of this. I think a few billion per year; how much is an individual product it's anybody's guess. But none the less the cost of the raw material of the final product is only that due to the volume of phones appl orders at one time.
You're joking right?
Maybe a billion pesos!
The only major cost is SoC design and manufacturing. They're not inventing aluminium or screens. They are not inventing iOS, just making it better.
The engineering and R&D cost for something entirely new is high but not something that already exists than is incrementally improved every year!
 
You're joking right?
Maybe a billion pesos!
The only major cost is SoC design and manufacturing. They're not inventing aluminium or screens. They are not inventing iOS, just making it better.
The engineering and R&D cost for something entirely new is high but not something that already exists than is incrementally improved every year!
You're joking right? You think that Apple can just "blink" a new device into existence and that magically they make an unwarranted amount on each device produced?
 
You're joking right? You think that Apple can just "blink" a new device into existence and that magically they make an unwarranted amount on each device produced?
You don't seem to know the difference between R&D cost and manufacturing cost!
 
You don't seem to know the difference between R&D cost and manufacturing cost!
If I don't seem to know that difference you don't know how companies account for their operations.:Dthis is now getting really silly. The $x dollar per unit now promulgated over then Internet by some company who basically can only estimate the raw material cost leaves out the remainder of the story about how much it took to actually get there.
 
If I don't seem to know that difference you don't know how companies account for their operations.:Dthis is now getting really silly. The $x dollar per unit now promulgated over then Internet by some company who basically can only estimate the raw material cost leaves out the remainder of the story about how much it took to actually get there.
Alright then genius, break it down for us since you seem to claim to know more than us!
 
That im not guessing the finances and operation of a multi-billion dollar company is a good start.
You don't have to guess. They report their expenditure quarterly if not yearly.
And if you break break it down by the amount of products they have, not to mention the battery cell technology they are working on as well as the self driving car project, you'll quickly figure out the iPhone R&D cost is pittance in comparison to the stuff they don't have in the market yet!
 
You don't have to guess. They report their expenditure quarterly if not yearly.
And if you break break it down by the amount of products they have, not to mention the battery cell technology they are working on as well as the self driving car project, you'll quickly figure out the iPhone R&D cost is pittance in comparison to the stuff they don't have in the market yet!
They don't break up down that granular. But if you think you can guesstimate that what's the run down on 6s? Seriously if you understand this a $1 part made of common sand may take $500 million to develop.
 
They don't break up down that granular. But if you think you can guesstimate that what's the run down on 6s? Seriously if you understand this a $1 part made of common sand may take $500 million to develop.
Again, you don't seem to know the difference between R&D vs manufacturing cost.
One is the cost associated to bringing an idea to fruition and the other is to manufacture it!
If I come up with an idea for a new SoC, design, develop and manufacture a working prototype, that is part of the R&D cost. Once I start mass manufacturing that design I developed, that's manufacturing cost.
 
Again, you don't seem to know the difference between R&D vs manufacturing cost.
One is the cost associated to bringing an idea to fruition and the other is to manufacture it!
If I come up with an idea for a new SoC, design, develop and manufacture a working prototype, that is part of the R&D cost. Once I start mass manufacturing that design I developed, that's manufacturing cost.
The cost of a product is the people, materials, office space, tooling costs, etc. all of these go into the cost of the product. We're having the debate because of the number that the 6s cost $xxx dollars with a material value of $yyy. Millions and millions went into the process prior to the first 6s rolling off the assembly line and Apple commits to millions of units and gets a volume discount of sorts.
 
The cost of a product is the people, materials, office space, tooling costs, etc. all of these go into the cost of the product. We're having the debate because of the number that the 6s cost $xxx dollars with a material value of $yyy. Millions and millions went into the process prior to the first 6s rolling off the assembly line and Apple commits to millions of units and gets a volume discount of sorts.

You're deflecting the original R&D cost nonsense you posted and trying to derail it with operation cost and manufacturing cost!

I'm done my quota of tolerance of stupidity for the day!
 
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You're deflecting the original R&D cost nonsense you posted and trying to derail it with operation cost and manufacturing cost!

I'm done my quota of tolerance of stupidity for the day!

Agreed. I can't argue with this guy anymore. He is the same guy who said that Apple spent $10 billion to R&D iPhone 6S. Russia spent $10 billion to develop a 5th generation stealth fighter aircraft which contains more silicon, technology and aluminum than any present or future iPhone, real or imagined.

And trust me, it's costs much more to R&N an aircraft with stealth capabilities, thrust vectoring and complex HUD display with automatic targeting system. In addition it has electronic warfare capabilities.

Are you telling me that Apple spent the same amount of money to develop a cellphone which costs $209 to make? In which parallels universe? No, Apple didn't spend 10 billion to develop 6S
 
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You're joking right? You think that Apple can just "blink" a new device into existence and that magically they make an unwarranted amount on each device produced?
You do know they have a near 50% profit margin?they capture 90% of the profits in the industry.The iPhone,IMO,costs around $300
 
You're deflecting the original R&D cost nonsense you posted and trying to derail it with operation cost and manufacturing cost!

I'm done my quota of tolerance of stupidity for the day!
I agree with the tolerance for stupidity. A very simple point whatever anyone thinks the manufacturing and material costs are for an iPhone, your original quote, the nexus is more expensive with thinner margins...who knows such things; not anybody except if the company releases it. To make a buck you have to factor in more than the per unit cost spread over 50 million( or however many they order) devices plus the development that went into it, of which the 10b was facetious but (almost 5b seems to be f/y 2014) there is serious cash that goes in up front that goes toward margin.
 
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I agree with the tolerance for stupidity. A very simple point whatever anyone thinks the manufacturing and material costs are for an iPhone, your original quote, the nexus is more expensive with thinner margins...who knows such things; not anybody except if the company releases it. To make a buck you have to factor in more than the per unit cost spread over 50 million( or however many they order) devices plus the development that went into it, of which the 10b was facetious but (almost 5b seems to be f/y 2014) there is serious cash that goes in up front that goes toward margin.
I never said anything about the Nexus cost. You're not quoting the right person!
 
Thanks, and you enjoy your Foxconn phone, which costs $209 to make. At least Nexus 6P costs more to build with thinner profit margins.
What do I care how much a company earns from their products? A product with thinner margins doesn't necessarily imply higher quality. It simply means the company in question is earning less in profits, which may not mean a better product or an improved user experience for me at the end of the day.

If anything, credit goes to Apple for being able to spend less on parts, yet deliver a superior user experience to me than the rest of the competition. Just goes to show that raw specs in a vacuum don't mean anything.
 
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I have a 5s on iOS 8. A friend has a 5s on iOS 9, they both work like a charm. Also, on RAM discussion. The only point of short of ram in which I agree is the 6/6+ even more on the plus.
On monetary profits: Apple will make as much money as they can, while also deliver great products at the same time. I do not know why the complaints on that. Every single business in the world wants greater profits. If they can do it, why wouldn't they?
About planned obsolescence: Point 1: Newer OSes are optimized for the newer devices which makes it obvious the older devices will work slower,a a they have less resources.
Point 2: Apple doesn't make enough effort to optimize for older devices. I prefer them not to update a device, instead for updating for the sake of doing so.
 
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