iPhone's So Embarrassing

[atszyman]

if i bought the cellphone for my kid and pay the plan and need him to have a cell phone when outside of school, you bet the school will be giving it back to me as it MY property

there are other punishments than taking away a cell phone for the year

Yes but the punishment is spelled out clearly and by attending classes and receiving your education you agree to the rules and penalties for breaking them set forth by the administration.

As "letter of the law" as you were in another thread, I'd think you'd be all over accepting the punishment for breaking the rules in this instance. If you're not happy with the punishment, lobby to get the rules and penalties changed.

 

[dukebound85]

Yes but the punishment is spelled out clearly and by attending classes and receiving your education you agree to the rules and penalties for breaking them set forth by the administration.

As "letter of the law" as you were in another thread, I'd think you'd be all over accepting the punishment for breaking the rules in this instance. If you're not happy with the punishment, lobby to get the rules and penalties changed.

last i checked, schools didnt write the law

stop confusing law with school policy please

 

[atszyman]

last i checked, schools didnt write the law

stop confusing law with policy please

Being part of a society I agree to follow by the rules regulations and penalties that they establish, by going to school I agree to abide by their rules regulations and penalties. Why should it be any different. Parents and the community can have influence over the school administration and the implementation of rules and enforcement, just as voters can influence the laws.

Why should someone be exempt from one set of rules and punishments because they deem them unfair?

 

[motoracer1486]

A contract that is signed by a person that is not of legal age is not a valid contract in the first place. If the school tried to take my kids (if I had a kid) phone, I would call the police and report a theft.

 

[bluenoise]

A contract that is signed by a person that is not of legal age is not a valid contract in the first place. If the school tried to take my kids (if I had a kid) phone, I would call the police and report a theft.

At the schools my kids attend, the parents (or legal guardians) do the signing; not the kids.

 

[dukebound85]

Being part of a society I agree to follow by the rules regulations and penalties that they establish, by going to school I agree to abide by their rules regulations and penalties. Why should it be any different. Parents and the community can have influence over the school administration and the implementation of rules and enforcement, just as voters can influence the laws.

Why should someone be exempt from one set of rules and punishments because they deem them unfair?

im not saying just for someone. im saying the policy as a whole needs to change

in this day, cell phones are much more a fabric of life than they were just 5 years ago. parents rely on their kids to have them so they can keep tabs on them and whatnot.

i know alot of people that no longer even have landlines because they have cell phones. taking away a cell phone is potentially taking away any mehod of reaching them outside of school. i also know parents that lend the kids their cell phones at times

to say a school has the power to confiscate a cell phone for a year is ridiculous. esp when its the parent that bough the phone for their kid and is paying for the plan

the schools need to change their policy and make it so they can confiscate if for the day and other offenses would be detention/suspension/etc

those are big enough deterrents in my opinion to stop using it in class

so yes, if my future kid had this happen to him, id take it up with the school board and then punish his cell phone habits by what i decide, not by the schools decision

At the schools my kids attend, the parents (or legal guardians) do the signing; not the kids.

what if the parents didnt sign? surely in the case of middle school, the kid by law has to go. they arent going to not let him go to school if the parents didnt sign

with that said, i never remember having to have myself or my parents sign anything like that when i was in school. then again i didnt have a cell phone in hs either

 

[unixfool]

A contract that is signed by a person that is not of legal age is not a valid contract in the first place. If the school tried to take my kids (if I had a kid) phone, I would call the police and report a theft.

And you'd get laughed at, more than likely. And, I've 3 kids and extensive experience in having to visit the school to chat about happenings.

 

[atszyman]

im not saying just for someone. im saying the policy as a whole needs to change

in this day, cell phones are much more a fabric of life than they were just 5 years ago. parents rely on their kids to have them so they can keep tabs on them and whatnot.

i know alot of people that no longer even have landlines because they have cell phones. taking away a cell phone is potentially taking away any mehod of reaching them outside of school. i also know parents that lend the kids their cell phones at times

to say a school has the power to confiscate a cell phone for a year is ridiculous. esp when its the parent that bough the phone for their kid and is paying for the plan

the schools need to change their policy and make it so they can confiscate if for the day and other offenses would be detention/suspension/etc

I'm not saying the policy is right or that it doesn't need changing, but it seemed you were very clear on the point that you needed to accept punishment if you broke the rules, and that if something was deemed unfair the rules/laws/punishments had proper channels to go through for changing.

 

[dukebound85]

I'm not saying the policy is right or that it doesn't need changing, but it seemed you were very clear on the point that you needed to accept punishment if you broke the rules, and that if something was deemed unfair the rules/laws/punishments had proper channels to go through for changing.

havent i been saying id take it up with the school board if need be if i happened to experience this?

that would be the proper channel would it not?

 

[atszyman]

havent i been saying id take it up with the school board if need be if i happened to experience this?

that would be the proper channel would it not?

I didn't catch anything in your posts about going through the school board, just that you didn't think it was legal, and you'd get your phone back. Had you phrased it about getting the policy changed due to the utility of cell phones outside of the classroom I would have most likely agreed fully.

 

[unixfool]

Being part of a society I agree to follow by the rules regulations and penalties that they establish, by going to school I agree to abide by their rules regulations and penalties. Why should it be any different. Parents and the community can have influence over the school administration and the implementation of rules and enforcement, just as voters can influence the laws.

Why should someone be exempt from one set of rules and punishments because they deem them unfair?

true dat.

If there weren't an issue with kids using phones at inappropriate times (like, in class), there probably wouldn't be an issue with phones in schools. Its not even a phone thing. I remember the same thing happening to me with several Sony Walkman players, only I never told my parents, because I'd have been in deep poo. When kids go home and whine about it because they know their parents will go ******* over someone 'wronging their kids'...<sigh>...WTF is the world coming to? When kids can't man-up and take their punishment, what makes you think they'll man-up when they are grown?

 

[dukebound85]

I didn't catch anything in your posts about going through the school board, just that you didn't think it was legal, and you'd get your phone back. Had you phrased it about getting the policy changed due to the utility of cell phones outside of the classroom I would have most likely agreed fully.

well as its not law, id demand my phone back if it was indeed mine that i had let my child use

the schools policy does not extend to keeping my possessions. now if my kid bought his own phone and had his own plane, then well he might be out of luck

true dat.

If there weren't an issue with kids using phones at inappropriate times (like, in class), there probably wouldn't be an issue with phones in schools. Its not even a phone thing. I remember the same thing happening to me with several Sony Walkman players, only I never told my parents, because I'd have been in deep poo. When kids go home and whine about it because they know their parents will go ******* over someone 'wronging their kids'...<sigh>...WTF is the world coming to? When kids can't man-up and take their punishment, what makes you think they'll man-up when they are grown?

schools just need to implement cellphone jammers while in building lol. problem solved

 

[unixfool]

I didn't catch anything in your posts about going through the school board, just that you didn't think it was legal, and you'd get your phone back. Had you phrased it about getting the policy changed due to the utility of cell phones outside of the classroom I would have most likely agreed fully.

I didn't ready anything of the sort either...not that I agree.

If I bought my kid an expensive toy and she lost it, I'd be pissed. If I bought her a phone and she did something that got it taken by the school, I'd be pissed too, but I don't understand how in the world I'd blame the school. This type of stuff is clearly written and is usually created for a reason. My daughter actually has a phone but has never had it taken away. She's also very young (9 yrs old). I've chatted with her on 3 ocassions to explain exactly why she shouldn't use it in class and she understands...no idea why someone twice her age can't understand something like that. And if the phone WAS taken by the school, I would certainly go to the school and describe what the phone is for and that there will not be another violation. I would NOT go hemming and hawwing about my rights as a parent or how much the phone is and demand it back...that'd be somewhat dumb (and embarrassing, and the last thing I'd want is for my daughter to lose respect for me).

I think some of you guys don't understand what it means to be a parent (some of you don't have kids). I'm not trying to demean anyone, but being a parent is much more than complaining about something that isn't in your kids' favor. Kids pick up on stuff like this quickly and apply it in life. You teach them the wrong things and you're setting them up to fail.

Now, if this were a ****** Storm, it probably wouldn't matter so much to some of you guys...LOL! (just joking, in case you serious types can't tell).

 

[pavvento]

that doesnt sit well with me. schools shouldnt have the right to take phones away.

Why not? I don't agree that it should be confiscated for an entire year immediately, but if school policy is that you don't use phones during school, and that upon third time it will be kept until June, what's the problem?

There is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during school.

 

[pavvento]

true dat.

If there weren't an issue with kids using phones at inappropriate times (like, in class), there probably wouldn't be an issue with phones in schools. Its not even a phone thing. I remember the same thing happening to me with several Sony Walkman players, only I never told my parents, because I'd have been in deep poo. When kids go home and whine about it because they know their parents will go ******* over someone 'wronging their kids'...<sigh>...WTF is the world coming to? When kids can't man-up and take their punishment, what makes you think they'll man-up when they are grown?

+1

 

[bluenoise]

true dat.

If there weren't an issue with kids using phones at inappropriate times (like, in class), there probably wouldn't be an issue with phones in schools. Its not even a phone thing. I remember the same thing happening to me with several Sony Walkman players, only I never told my parents, because I'd have been in deep poo. When kids go home and whine about it because they know their parents will go ******* over someone 'wronging their kids'...<sigh>...WTF is the world coming to? When kids can't man-up and take their punishment, what makes you think they'll man-up when they are grown?

Agreed. This reminds me of a signature I saw in another forum: "If the truth hurts, it's supposed to."

 

[bluenoise]

what if the parents didnt sign? surely in the case of middle school, the kid by law has to go. they arent going to not let him go to school if the parents didnt sign

with that said, i never remember having to have myself or my parents sign anything like that when i was in school. then again i didnt have a cell phone in hs either

I doubt there is any public or private school out there that doesn't have parents/guardians signing something when enrolling their kids. There are many things requiring signatures, such as medical releases, permission for field trips, busing (if applicable), etc. No one can just drop off their kids without signing something up front. Imagine the liabilities the schools would face if they didn't.

Regarding the law, I think parents must sign in order for their kids to attend, even if the law forces kids to be schooled.

 

[atszyman]

I didn't ready anything of the sort either...not that I agree.

If I bought my kid an expensive toy and she lost it, I'd be pissed. If I bought her a phone and she did something that got it taken by the school, I'd be pissed too, but I don't understand how in the world I'd blame the school. This type of stuff is clearly written and is usually created for a reason. My daughter actually has a phone but has never had it taken away. She's also very young (9 yrs old). I've chatted with her on 3 ocassions to explain exactly why she shouldn't use it in class and she understands...no idea why someone twice her age can't understand something like that. And if the phone WAS taken by the school, I would certainly go to the school and describe what the phone is for and that there will not be another violation. I would NOT go hemming and hawwing about my rights as a parent or how much the phone is and demand it back...that'd be somewhat dumb (and embarrassing, and the last thing I'd want is for my daughter to lose respect for me).

I think some of you guys don't understand what it means to be a parent (some of you don't have kids). I'm not trying to demean anyone, but being a parent is much more than complaining about something that isn't in your kids' favor. Kids pick up on stuff like this quickly and apply it in life. You teach them the wrong things and you're setting them up to fail.

Now, if this were a ****** Storm, it probably wouldn't matter so much to some of you guys...LOL! (just joking, in case you serious types can't tell).

I'm not saying that the students shouldn't be punished for using the phones in class, just that I know a few parents, and I will probably be one of them (my kids are not school aged yet), who use their kids cell phones as a safety device getting to/from school and having the school confiscate the phone for the year outside of school hours eliminates that safety net. One parent I know has her kids call her when they get off the bus and remains on the phone with them until they are in the apartment with the door locked, a nifty system to help ensure safety that does not work if the cell phone is taken away.

Trust me, when my kids get phones there will be penalties applied for misuse, but the utility that comes from the phone can be a valuable tool for some parents that would be lost if the school keeps the phone for an extended period of time.

Phones just need a lockable scheduling capability that disables messaging and calling (except 911) during school hours, combine it with the GPS chip and you can have parents lock down the phone so that while on school ground during set hours the phone is mostly useless. Heck I wouldn't mind if they only allowed phones with that functionality and had an "approved phones" list for students

 

[cjm3113]

Why not? I don't agree that it should be confiscated for an entire year immediately, but if school policy is that you don't use phones during school, and that upon third time it will be kept until June, what's the problem?

There is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during school.

My sophomore year in high school I got a text message from my mother. "Get out of class I am coming to pick you up." My father was in the emergency room because he had just had a heart attack. She had tried to call the school to get me out, but my class was not in our normal room so they just told her "Sorry we are unable to reach him at this time" and told her there was nothing she could do.

My senior year there were two large gangs in my school that were supposed to have a huge fight (some guns had already been confiscated) and supposedly hundreds of others were meeting at the school. Hundreds of kids called their parents VIA cellphone and got picked up. All said and done, dozens of arrests were made, shots were fired and a few people were injured. 1,100 students had gone home early.

To say there is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during schools is ridiculous.

 

[unixfool]

My sophomore year in high school I got a text message from my mother. "Get out of class I am coming to pick you up." My father was in the emergency room because he had just had a heart attack. She had tried to call the school to get me out, but my class was not in our normal room so they just told her "Sorry we are unable to reach him at this time" and told her there was nothing she could do.

My senior year there were two large gangs in my school that were supposed to have a huge fight (some guns had already been confiscated) and supposedly hundreds of others were meeting at the school. Hundreds of kids called their parents VIA cellphone and got picked up. All said and done, dozens of arrests were made, shots were fired and a few people were injured. 1,100 students had gone home early.

To say there is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during schools is ridiculous.

This sounds like an issue with the school itself. In both cases, the school appears to be negligent. In the first case, the didn't appear to make extreme efforts to reach you (hell, someone shoulda just got off their butt and physically searched for you). In the second case, the school didn't have time to alert the police yet people had the time to call for a ride home...doesn't make sense...I think school should've been cancelled if it were known that early that things would happen that badly.

Virginia Tech people had phones but people still got killed.

Sometimes, **** happens in a manner that you aren't going to be able to mitigate things, even proactively.

During non-crises, there is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during school is probably the better way to word it.

 

[anjinha]

This sounds like an issue with the school itself. In both cases, the school appears to be negligent. In the first case, the didn't appear to make extreme efforts to reach you (hell, someone shoulda just got off their butt and physically searched for you). In the second case, the school didn't have time to alert the police yet people had the time to call for a ride home...doesn't make sense...I think school should've been cancelled if it were known that early that things would happen that badly.

Virginia Tech people had phones but people still got killed.

Sometimes, **** happens in a manner that you aren't going to be able to mitigate things, even proactively.

During non-crises, there is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during school is probably the better way to word it.

Students don't need to use them during school hours but I think they should have them anyway because sometimes crises happen.

 

[dccorona]

It is not theft if it is written in the student handbook that cell phones are not allowed. When I was in High School, we had to sign a contract agreeing to all of the rules of the school district, one of those rules was that cell phones be turned off, and not seen. If a cell phone was heard or seen the teacher could take it up and turn it in to the principals office where a parent would actually have to come and pay a fee of 15 dollars to get the phone back. I myself refused to give up my phone to a teacher and I got sent to the office where I refused to give it up to the principal so I recieved a detention and a parent phone call. Point is, it is not theft!

thats how they do it here
you sign a contract. they actually have the right to ask to see your cellphone even if it is off and put away, but still on school grounds, and search it. Whenever you want

personally i think the contract is bs because you arent given an option.
sign this or you cant go to school
wait, not going to school is ILLEGAL (unless your 16 of course, but even then, not finishing school really isnt an option in most familes)
so really, they FORCE you to agree to the contract. theres no way around it

total garbge in my opinion

 

[cjm3113]

This sounds like an issue with the school itself. In both cases, the school appears to be negligent. In the first case, the didn't appear to make extreme efforts to reach you (hell, someone shoulda just got off their butt and physically searched for you). In the second case, the school didn't have time to alert the police yet people had the time to call for a ride home...doesn't make sense...I think school should've been cancelled if it were known that early that things would happen that badly.

Virginia Tech people had phones but people still got killed.

Sometimes, **** happens in a manner that you aren't going to be able to mitigate things, even proactively.

During non-crises, there is absolutely no reason that a student needs to be using a cell phone during school is probably the better way to word it.

You are right, they are issues with the school. That said, issues with the school DO exist. You cannot pretend they do not. I went to a school of 4,000 students. They do not send somebody out to find you if your parents call in. They do not have the personel to do that.

As for the second one, the police had been called. Guns had been confiscated at 7:30 in the morning, but the school day went on. Should it have been canceled? Maybe, but it wasn't. So those students/parents were glad their kids had their phones.

You cannot pretend that crises do not happen.

 

[TheConfuzed1]

On the issue of getting suspended for a text message that SOMEONE ELSE SENDS YOU, I call BS.

You can't do anything about a message that you didn't create. If that did, in fact, really happen, I would fight it.

On the issue of the school actually confiscating ANYTHING that isn't contriband, I would tell them to F-off, and refuse to hand it over.

And if they suspend me over that? Whoop-dee-do, I got suspended for much worse than that in high school.

 

[unixfool]

You are right, they are issues with the school. That said, issues with the school DO exist. You cannot pretend they do not. I went to a school of 4,000 students. They do not send somebody out to find you if your parents call in. They do not have the personel to do that.

As for the second one, the police had been called. Guns had been confiscated at 7:30 in the morning, but the school day went on. Should it have been canceled? Maybe, but it wasn't. So those students/parents were glad their kids had their phones.

You cannot pretend that crises do not happen.

As I said, **** happens. Now, how often does that **** happen? Not much. Or, do you mean to tell me that you have a riot a day? Once a week? Once a month? Once a quarter? Come on, now...

BTW, your school is seriously jacked up, but...

I've a team of analysts and we work in a 24/7 shop. Every day it is busy and I know my team works hard, but when they slack off, the first thing they say is, 'well, its busy'. Wow...like I didn't know that, as a person whose responsible for the whole of operations... It's easy to say, 'crises happen' and make an excuse for something. So, your school had an issue with gangs. You're glad you have a phone. Good. Now factor in that not every school has a roit of that proportion in a given year. And factor in that, during that year, there are kids in class goofing off with their phones, causing distractions, or whatnot. In the everyday scheme of things, you're being screwed policy-wise, not by the school system, but by other students who abuse their privileges and it rolls over to you like rollover minutes. Sorry, not my fault. Blame the kid who hates authority, not me.