does it really matter how often it happens?
that argument is akin to saying women shouldn't carry pepperspray because they dont get mugged often lol
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does it really matter how often it happens?
that argument is akin to saying women shouldn't carry pepperspray because they dont get mugged often lol
Good move. Teach your kid they can ignore the rules they agreed to abide by. This should prepare them to enter Chicago politics.
you missed the part in this thread where i feel its the job of the parent to deny phone priveldges. not the school
I think his point is that it appears you're saying to ignore the rules you agreed to. I know you agreed earlier that the time to fight them is before you agree to them, but that message is getting clouded in subsequent posts.
I'm amazed this thread is still going considering...
a) The OP tends to start threads just to have them go to Wasteland.
b) It's long since stopped being about the iPhone.
In any case, it has been an entertaining debate.
I think his point is that it appears you're saying to ignore the rules you agreed to. I know you agreed earlier that the time to fight them is before you agree to them, but that message is getting clouded in subsequent posts.
I'm amazed this thread is still going considering...
a) The OP tends to start threads just to have them go to Wasteland.
b) It's long since stopped being about the iPhone.
In any case, it has been an entertaining debate.
yea you do need to fight them before you agree
doesnt mean i agree with the school's policies at all
i agree, im going to exit this thread for the second time. this time for good!
That isn't the point. Should you be playing with your phone in class? Of course not, but you should be allowed to have it incase of emergency. Go ahead and punish the kids who play with it during class. Write them up, suspend them, give them an assignment..I do not care.
But taking the phone away for the year is completely asinine.
But it is also the job of the parent to teach the kid RESPONSIBILITIES, and the consequences of not being responsible with what they have. A cell phone is a privilege, not a right; abuse it, especially where the school rules/regulations apply, and it could be taken away.
Note that I had also said that the PARENT can come and get the phone, and that it USED TO BE that they'd keep it for the entire year if the parent did not.
Now, I have found a recent handbook for the school district adjacent to the one I attended, and here is what they currently say about phones:
Long Term suspension in that district is defined as:
So in the OP's situation, in this district, he would justifiably deserve the suspension.
BL.
No, I didn't miss it. I ignore it when people try and rationalize why they don't have to follow the rules.
so if it was school policy that the school would confiscate your car until the end of the year after your kid got too many parking tickets at the school, youd be ok with that too huh
even if its your car that you buy and insure but let your kid take it to school every now and then
part of me feels youd demand that car back....
i have no issue with that at all. i would have an issue if they wouldnt allow the parent to retrieve it. thats really the only thing ive been saying
This thread is ridiculous. People are complaining about the OP's tendency to start these kinds of threads, yet you post in them and condone his supposedly bad behavior.
I have a novel idea - if you don't like the thread, don't post in it and it won't stay at the top of the thread list! Such an obvious concept right?
I have a novel idea - if you don't like the thread, don't post in it and it won't stay at the top of the thread list! Such an obvious concept right?
so if it was school policy that the school would confiscate your car until the end of the year after your kid got too many parking tickets at the school, youd be ok with that too huh
even if its your car that you buy and insure but let your kid take it to school every now and then
part of me feels youd demand that car back....
Who patrols the school parking lot?
The schools around me, my alma mater, my mother's high school, the parking lots are the property of the school, and unless they have some security patrolling the lot, they don't have any way to give out tickets.
If they are parking adjacent to the school, it would be up to the city to issue the ticket, and that has nothing to do with the school.
BL.
it was just an example except i substituted car for phone.
at my old hs, we definitly got tickets from the school using their parking lots
This is irrelevant and more rationalization. Or you are deliberately avoiding the issue.so if it was school policy that the school would confiscate your car until the end of the year after your kid got too many parking tickets at the school, youd be ok with that too huh
When you enroll in the school, you agree to abide by the rules. If you don't like the rules, don't enroll. This is a simple concept.
its not irrelevant. you just choose to not address that scenrio
.answer the question. would you demand that car back if that was indeed the policy. a phone is just as much a utility as a car for a family
however, if as bradl says is true that the parents can pick it up when they want, i have no issue with that. but to deny parents the ability to pick it up is absurd
also try to wrap your head around this
you are required to go to school by law when in middle school. you dont have a choice to not enroll..
Cars are different since they don't pose an all day distraction for the kids as cell phones do. Most likely the car situation would be handled as it was at almost every school I attended. Unpaid tickets would result in the withholding of your degree or diploma until all fines were paid in full.
If there were an impound punishment I would hope that it could be released upon payment of the fines and since I am financially responsible for my kids in HS, I'll have to pay the fines and punish my kids as I see fit. Of course they wouldn't be driving to school for a really long time.
Just as if their cellphone became a massive problem I'd find a way to restrict them to 0 text messages and only being able to call mine or my wife's phone for a lengthy period of time.
but if it were school policy to do so, you wouldnt have an issue? i know i would. you afterall agree to follow the school policy no matter what it may be
the same type of parental punishment can be used on the phones. have the parents restrict their access. to have the schools hold the phones until the end of the year and not even give them to the parents at their request is redicoulous
maybe what teachers need to do is have students check in the phones before every class and check them out afterwards
Read my post again, slowly. If that was the rule, and I enrolled my kid, and they broke the rules, I would live with the consequences. So, just in case you missed itits not irrelevant. you just choose to not address that scenrio
answer the question. would you demand that car back if that was indeed the policy
also try to wrap your head around this
you are required to go to school by law when in middle school. you dont have a choice to not enroll..
No, I would not demand the car back.
It would be more important to me to teach my kid there are consequences to breaking the rules versus teaching my kid how to avoid the consequences.
Simple concept.
Since this is not a rule at any middle school, it's simply your absurd example.
There are alternatives to public school. Save your next example for someone else, maybe your kid.
alternatives to public school? like private scool? well not every one can afford that. didnt know i had to spell that out for you
some people cant afford anything BUT public school.what if that car was your wifes car and she lets your kid take it to school on her days off. you wont demand to get her car back as a result of your kids actions? please your stance is amusing
you know you would get that car back if it were essential to your wife getting to work most days.
i give that example as thats how i got to school. either i carpooled with friends or my mom let me use her car when she didnt work that day
you know whats embarassing? the fact that the iphone can't even get its ringer/silent mode working straight.
a friend of mine used his iphone at work all of the time. he works at a desk job and is allowed to listen to music throughout the entire shift.
everything generally seems to work ok except ONCE for some completely unknown reason, he received a call and the ringtone was AUDIBLE through the normal iphone speaker despite the fact that he clearly had headphones plugged in. so while he was happily listening to his music, BUSTA RHYMES - DONT TOUCH ME (aka his ringtone) kept playing outloud and he had no idea until a supervisor came over and told him to leave and told him he was fired!
you can imagine hes pretty pissed about having a phone that doesn't even have a reliable silent mode!
a friend of mine used his iphone at work all of the time. he works at a desk job and is allowed to listen to music throughout the entire shift.
everything generally seems to work ok except ONCE for some completely unknown reason, he received a call and the ringtone was AUDIBLE through the normal iphone speaker despite the fact that he clearly had headphones plugged in. so while he was happily listening to his music, BUSTA RHYMES - DONT TOUCH ME (aka his ringtone) kept playing outloud and he had no idea until a supervisor came over and told him to leave and told him he was fired!
you can imagine hes pretty pissed about having a phone that doesn't even have a reliable silent mode!
I never said I would follow policy or accept it no matter what. I entered this thread after a debate we had in another thread about breaking the law and accepting consequences regardless of extenuating circumstances, and how cops should enforce and not interpret the laws.
It seemed like a contradictory position to what you were saying in this thread with regards to a school's policy to confiscate cell phones. It wasn't until post 84 that you mentioned you'd pursue changing the policy through the proper channels, until that point you seemed perfectly willing to fight what you believed to be an unfair policy in this instance but were unwilling to grant any leeway in another. Yes one was only school policy and one was law, but both are rules and punishments agreed to for certain privileges.
ha just always playing devil's advocate for me then arent ya
I'm having one of those days...
You just happened to show up in the right threads...
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