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I just tested it. The is no full screen mode where only a picture is being displayed. Does this really bother you?

That's not a serious question, is it? That has always been one of the main reasons for me to use Aperture...
 
Yeah, so I guess the complaint is that this edit pane takes up too much space while actually in the process of editing photos. I can see that. Seems like Apple dropped the "UI" ball here.

yes and no. the problem is, that there is NO WAY anymore to view photos WITHOUT user interface around it.

i want to be able to choose for example 3 photos and focus on them, not be distracted by edit functions around. the whole screen of my small mac book display should be devoted to the photos!

on, and if you have 3 pictures open in edit and you press on edit (to get rid of the edit functions) it switches back to the "one photo" view with (again) user interface around it.

full screen function... apple says it's so great, but they did it wrong! you were able to see photos fullscreen on a black screen, now you see user interface all around! a step backwards...
 
full screen function... apple says it's so great, but they did it wrong! you were able to see photos fullscreen on a black screen, now you see user interface all around! a step backwards...

I agree. I really hope that update to iPhoto'11 will bring back ability to edit in total full screen mode. There could be option in preferences that you can hide those bars and other useless things.

Shouldn't have upgraded.
 
the problem is NOT the fullscreen mode that apple has created and in which the whole program can be run. the problem is the fullscreen mode that the program enters when you display one or more pictures at once. this is a mode that was totally black back in iphoto 11, but now it is cluttered with panels that can't be removed. if i want to see 3 pictures now to decide which one is the best, i have to share this task with 3 annoying other user interface elements. you can not see a photo without user interface! it simply isn't possible!

and please don't tell me that iphoto is not a professional program. it is! why am i forced to buy aperture, just because i want to see a photo without the user interface around? a fullscreen photo view is only possible when i buy a pro program like aperture? this is a strange strategy from apple. what's next? will they avoid you to install programs, unless you have the pro-mac osx?

Regardless of your feelings on the new UI:

iPhoto=For home users who want a nice editing/archive app.
Aperture/Adobe LR=Professional image editing/archiving apps.

I get that there's not so much space on the screen for photos now but hey. Buy a bigger monitor or just use the old version. Anyone can see that apple is moving toward a fully touchscreen Mac interface, that's why the bars are so big. Don't like it? Don't upgrade. Uninstall it and use your old one. No one is forcing you to use it.

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Yeah, so I guess the complaint is that this edit pane takes up too much space while actually in the process of editing photos. I can see that. Seems like Apple dropped the "UI" ball here.

If it's not obvious to everyone already, the reason for these UI elements is to align Mac OSX with iOS. All the screen elements are like iOS (i.e. they could be touched instead of clicked) and hence the choices for all the UI elements you see.

I'm not saying that's the right approach, I'm just saying that's how it is.
 
Regardless of your feelings on the new UI:

iPhoto=For home users who want a nice editing/archive app.
Aperture/Adobe LR=Professional image editing/archiving apps.

I get that there's not so much space on the screen for photos now but hey. Buy a bigger monitor or just use the old version. Anyone can see that apple is moving toward a fully touchscreen Mac interface, that's why the bars are so big. Don't like it? Don't upgrade. Uninstall it and use your old one. No one is forcing you to use it.

I'm really getting sick of this sentiment.

a) Aperture/Adobe LR are simply off-topic - not all of us are professional photographers and we are not even talking about professional features, just basic user interface issues

b) Using the old version is not an appropriate fix, since you will eventually be forced to upgrade anyway (e.g. when you upgrade to your next Mac) or for other features which you would like

c) Buying a bigger monitor is not an appropriate fix e.g. for laptop users, who account for over 50% of us
 
Can someone PLEASE post a screenshot of the new fullscreen mode? I am about to upgrade and don't want to make the biggest mistake of my life.

Thnx!

wow if upgrading to a non-full screen iphoto is the biggest mistake of your life then I would say you've had a pretty nice life :D
 
I would just be happy if I could start an iPhoto slideshow on a secondary monitor (e.g. a projector) without having to drag the main iPhoto window over there first. A bit of a pet peeve of mine considering how often I'm asked to do it.
 
I would just be happy if I could start an iPhoto slideshow on a secondary monitor (e.g. a projector) without having to drag the main iPhoto window over there first. A bit of a pet peeve of mine considering how often I'm asked to do it.

You actually use the slideshow feature? I was wondering who did...
 
After reading this thread, I can't help but feel that lots of the people unhappy with this new feature set either didn't bother to look at the apple website and see these things before buying and/or shouldn't really be using iPhoto anyway.

Dennis, you keep mentioning you have a two monitor set up and do full screen photo editing. That kind of set up is for someone that does photography full time. iPhoto is not the program for you if so. iPhoto and Adobe LR aren't comparable. Aperture and Adobe LR are. They are software for the higher end of the market. iPhoto is meant to be basic photo editing/archiving functionality that comes on every mac and caters to the 95th percentile. Personally, whilst using the old full screen iPhoto, those floating bars and boxes really bugged me. Having to move them around all the time to see certain parts of my photos. Then I got Aperture \9for lots of other reasons too!) and use that now. iPhoto=basic editing/archive. Aperture/Adobe LR=professional editing/archive (allowing plug-ins and integration with Photoshop etc).

It sounds to me like you expect iPhoto to do all your bidding when editing photos and whilst it's great at basic bidding, it's just not full featured enough to be using over a dual monitor display. Do you print the pictures any bigger than 8x10? If not, you don't need that extra detail anyway. Have you tried Aperture?

This is plain wrong! iPhoto is iPhoto, its value was in its simplicity, and yet in ability to quickly accomplish most of the simple adjustments and SEE the results, regardless of how many monitors one runs!!! I often have a 13 inch macbook, or a 15 MBP, and on these it is even more important to be able to be able to see things FULL SCREEN, and to zoom in, FULL SCREEN, if you want to. In previous version, you could zoom in full screen, and then run edits full screen as well, without any bars or any other crap! Every pixel matters, so the more of UI crap you have displayed the less of a picture you can actually see! This full screen mode should not be called full screen, it should be called something else, er... Fancy Glossy Black Bars, or iPad View, or iPad Darkroom or something less misleading as full screen it is certainly not. File Manager in Windows XP does better full screen than this!
 
You actually use the slideshow feature? I was wondering who did...

I work with a summer camp and one of our traditions is to take pictures of the kids throughout their camp session, and enjoy a slideshow on the final night of camp before the kids go home the next morning.

When I started out, the pictures were taken on 35mm film, and someone would drive into the nearest city to get them developed onto slides. We'd then insert them into the carousel and play them in an old Kodak projector. It was a slide show in the most literal sense.

My problem with iPhoto is that we go to all this trouble to present a slick looking slideshow with nice fading effects, but in order to get it started, I need to drag the iPhoto window from my laptop (primary screen) to the projector screen, then hit the Slideshow button, then hit the Start button, etc., all while my audience can see everything I'm doing on the big screen. It's not a big deal but it's not very seamless, and particularly counter to the elegance that you see everywhere else in the look and feel of Apple apps.

I've always felt the mark of a professional presentation is when you can show the audience only what they need to see. Imagine a Steve Jobs keynote where he said "let's watch the video" and someone drags a QuickTime player window onto the big screen and clicks the "play" button!
 
Can someone PLEASE post a screenshot of the new fullscreen mode? I am about to upgrade and don't want to make the biggest mistake of my life.

Thnx!


Biggest mistake, huh? :rolleyes:

iDrama must have been the "secret, new" iLife app but wasn't ready in time.
 
I work with a summer camp and one of our traditions is to take pictures of the kids throughout their camp session, and enjoy a slideshow on the final night of camp before the kids go home the next morning.

When I started out, the pictures were taken on 35mm film, and someone would drive into the nearest city to get them developed onto slides. We'd then insert them into the carousel and play them in an old Kodak projector. It was a slide show in the most literal sense.

My problem with iPhoto is that we go to all this trouble to present a slick looking slideshow with nice fading effects, but in order to get it started, I need to drag the iPhoto window from my laptop (primary screen) to the projector screen, then hit the Slideshow button, then hit the Start button, etc., all while my audience can see everything I'm doing on the big screen. It's not a big deal but it's not very seamless, and particularly counter to the elegance that you see everywhere else in the look and feel of Apple apps.

I've always felt the mark of a professional presentation is when you can show the audience only what they need to see. Imagine a Steve Jobs keynote where he said "let's watch the video" and someone drags a QuickTime player window onto the big screen and clicks the "play" button!
I totally hear you! I do the same thing very often, show my daughter pics of our day trip, or a party, or what not, and you nailed it, the process is not clean at all, and with this update its getting more cumbersome, whereas it should have been improved, streamlined. One thought I have is that, for dual screen setup, where the projector is your second screen, try Lightroom (its a free trial), as LR is sensitive to dual screen setup, and both screens are highly customizable, so you could set both the presentation (projector) and home screens as you wish. I have not run slideshows extensively on it, but I think LR is much better equipped for this, and I am kind of upset that the newest iPhoto did not make much progress in that, more of the opposite in my view. To be fair, the way that iphoto 11 sends email photos may be cool, but overall I am disappointed, as I was hoping to be able to accomplish more with it, but now its the opposite, and with this update I am forced to be using other apps more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSjAc8SFhmA
 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html is the link you really want.
Not here. At http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html you have a nonzero expectation of complaint resulting in positive action. Venting your spleen on Jessica, or anyone else here, as if it is their fault, results in exactly zero, and zero = 0, difference.

Hey I'm really happy he posted here. This feature is important to me too, and if I hadn't spotted this thread, I probably wouldn't have known until I spent money on it. I will definitely be sticking with '09 for exactly this reason. Thanks for posting!
 
I agree with the criticism of the new full screen functionality.. The first thing I do (in iPhoto 9) when I import photos is to select the first photo, select the dual arrow button on the bottom that opens the picture up to full screen, and scroll through them one by one with each photo (taking up the majority of the screen).. It looks now like I would need to use slide show for that which is not optimal (as I could do edits on the fly with iPhoto 9..) I anticipate I will still upgrade as I like a lot of the new stuff, but it is a big disappointment that I can't scroll through my pictures in full screen...
 
Guys, keep in mind that Apple said they wanted to bring full functionality to full screen mode, so you never had to leave full screen mode if that's how you like it. This is why the menus are there. Is there a preferences option to hide/show menus?

Also, as others have said, this was just released. I'm sure there will be tweaks via updates as time goes on.
 
One thought I have is that, for dual screen setup, where the projector is your second screen, try Lightroom (its a free trial), as LR is sensitive to dual screen setup, and both screens are highly customizable, so you could set both the presentation (projector) and home screens as you wish. I have not run slideshows extensively on it, but I think LR is much better equipped for this

Thanks, I'll check that out!

I have a few other options for slide shows that I'm going to investigate (e.g. to avoid having to spend more money on software). But I agree that it's too bad that iPhoto can't handle what I would have thought to be a fairly simple task.
 
Can someone PLEASE post a screenshot of the new fullscreen mode? I am about to upgrade and don't want to make the biggest mistake of my life.

Thnx!

I really wish this was the single biggest worry i have ever had and that something this minor could be the biggest mistake of my entire life.

I wonder if such a momentous choice might have some way i could research it. Perhaps the company that sells the software should have a website or something devoted to it.

oh well.
 
Reminds me of the time when watching full screen videos was a QuickTime PRO feature... Oh I know, Apple can start releasing these things as DLC, only $4,99 for proper full screen, update now available on the App Store!
 
Thanks, I'll check that out!

I have a few other options for slide shows that I'm going to investigate (e.g. to avoid having to spend more money on software). But I agree that it's too bad that iPhoto can't handle what I would have thought to be a fairly simple task.

If, by chance you setup ahead of time, you can mirror the projector and your main monitor, then created a black screen as the first image...start the slideshow ahead of time and pause it until everyone is in place and ready. Kind of a weird workaround, but possibly worth the effort.

Also, you could export the slideshow ahead of time and play it in a player like QuickTime, VLC, etc.
 
There was a presentation showing it in full screen before it was released. No video ever showed it the photo itself taking up the entire screen, the screenshots on apples website show UI around. It was never even hinted at during the keynote of 64bit ilife, I don't see where the mix up lies. It is not that big of a deal.
 
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