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iPhoto 11: no full screen, no dual screen, not 64 bit: I want my money back!

I'm no expert, that you can be sure of, but I'm willing to bet if enough of you share the feedback link provided in a couple of the posts, and get enough other disappointed users to give this feedback to Apple in a constructive way, with some solid explanation of why you liked the other way better, and what advantages you found with it, they are likely to update it at a later time, and hopefully to suit your desires.

Apple is all about design. On more than several occasions I have seen them implement the changes that the users expressed wanting.

Best of luck.
 
as for not being 64 bit...
I don't really think that there is anything iPhoto does that it would benefit from being 64 bit all that much (may be wrong here)

so a bump to 64 bit would really be unnoticeable to most people
 
dccorona said:
as for not being 64 bit...
I don't really think that there is anything iPhoto does that it would benefit from being 64 bit all that much (may be wrong here)

so a bump to 64 bit would really be unnoticeable to most people
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Memory addressing? Considering it's using over 550MB of my 2GB of memory right now, it'll probably use all the memory it can get! :p
 
mmomega said:
There was a presentation showing it in full screen before it was released. No video ever showed it the photo itself taking up the entire screen, the screenshots on apples website show UI around. It was never even hinted at during the keynote of 64bit ilife, I don't see where the mix up lies. It is not that big of a deal.
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Beg to differ: on a 13 inch screen it is a big deal (stupid bars now are taking up the valuable and limited viewing space!). it is a big deal on a 30 inch screen as well (audience gets distracted by UI, no way to get rid of it, cant edit in a truly full screen, cant zoom in full screen either, Windows 98 does this better). Full screen it is not, and it used to be!
Don't get me wrong, I am not jumping off a bridge over this (just want my $79 back), AND this is a serious two-step backwards in the latest "upgrade" from Apple. As i said before, my money goes to Adobe now, and it is sad to being forced to be "clustered": one app for books/cards/email (iPhoto), a different app for storage/editing/slideshows (LR3), and yet a different app for more serious editing (PS), if needed. I was hoping Apple would be smart enough to at least try to bring things under one roof. Nope, we get iPad glossy looks, Facebook integration and clumsy mapping instead. Sheesh!
I can kind of see how Google is B-A-D for successfully competing with Jobs on the hand held mobile phone market, but by no means does this justify my having to see the stupid facebook integration in my photo manager on my computer. FB apparently has aspirations to compete with Google, but this is all beyond the point.
Instead of taking advantage of cheap labor force in China where they keep churning up these "media consumption devices" called iPad over local workers who are pushed to the end of their wits for 39 cents an hour and being able to be a part of the "magic in the making", and instead of following sleazy marketing deals, Steve needs to keep his head preoccupied with what his programmers do on the front end, just like he used to in his garage, before personal computers were reduced to what, 30% of Apple's business, lately?
 
ok 79 bux i can see, I walked in and grabbed the first copy I saw. Which was the $49 copy and it's on all 4 of the computers and Aperture for any heavy lifting on my computer.
I'm perfectly fine with this, iLife is mainstream for GenX Mom and Pop, they like pictures, movies, music and sharing their lives with friends. That is life and that is iLife. I don't fight it, I don't care. My wife loves it, both kids love it they are not pro users and they are who the iLife suite is going to be marketed too.
I have a 13" macbook as well and it's really not that big a deal to me, people just get worked up over different things.
 
mmomega said:
ok 79 bux i can see, I walked in and grabbed the first copy I saw. Which was the $49 copy and it's on all 4 of the computers and Aperture for any heavy lifting on my computer.
I'm perfectly fine with this, iLife is mainstream for GenX Mom and Pop, they like pictures, movies, music and sharing their lives with friends. That is life and that is iLife. I don't fight it, I don't care. My wife loves it, both kids love it they are not pro users and they are who the iLife suite is going to be marketed too.
I have a 13" macbook as well and it's really not that big a deal to me, people just get worked up over different things.
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I hear you my brother: on grand scheme of things, nothin is a big deal. all we are is dust in the wind kind a thing!

Still, i get "worked up" as you put as i was kind of hoping for better, on many fronts, to no avail. Glad your entire household enjoys a single-user copy. I knew its only for one install and I thought I was going to make 3 or 4, so I went with Fam Pack for 79. Call it honest stupidity or stupid honesty...
 
DenisK said:
I hear you my brother: on grand scheme of things, nothin is a big deal. all we are is dust in the wind kind a thing!

Still, i get "worked up" as you put as i was kind of hoping for better, on many fronts, to no avail. Glad your entire household enjoys a single-user copy. I knew its only for one install and I thought I was going to make 3 or 4, so I went with Fam Pack for 79. Call it honest stupidity or stupid honesty...
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Actually I wasn't really paying attention when I bought it, I was in there for a keyboard replacement since the bottom 2 rows died on my imacs bluetooth keyboard. They said 53 dollars or something like that, I handed them the card while still talking to the genius, got home and installed on the imac, wife got home later saw it and installed on her imac and laptop. Didn't know it would install on multiple machines if it wasn't fam pack.:p They have enough of my money as is I guess , at least thats what I'm telling myself now.

I guess they could have made the photo take up the entire screen and single or double-click would fade in the menus if you need to use them and fade back out if you don't use them within 2-3 secs.
 
You can still view full screen through the finder or quick look can't you? Would that be the temporary workaround until this bug is fixed?
 
Frosties said:
You can still view full screen through the finder or quick look can't you? Would that be the temporary workaround until this bug is fixed?
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Thank you -- thank you, yes, I guess thats the workaround for a true full screen viewing for now, through Quick look via Finder... iPhoto -> File -> Reveal in Finder etc. Except of course there is no zooming for focus check, nor any editing that way. Ironically, even in Preview the Editing pane is implemented in a much better way, as it's a semi-transparent floater, and one can put it anywhere, even out of the way on the second screen, if there is one.
 
... last but not least, i was hoping to see more of substantive editing tools, such as separate sliders for luminance noise reduction and chroma noise... not to mention the multitude of other advances made by others in terms of usable editing tools. No such thing. It used to be that with every upgrade iPhoto pushed in to the Aperture territory as well as that of other serious editors, but this update is still stuck somewhere back in the eighties by way of what it offers for .. er.. editing, only adds the prominent panes and bars that rob us of valuable space on our screens. Shame is not even a good enough word for this piece of work.

I agree with others that emailing from iPhoto becomes more of a pain than a pleasure: it limits you to 10 shots per email, and gives you no ability to select the level of reduction of the images sent... whereas before I could send however many I want and decide on their size as I go.

iPadification is the name of the game, with glitzy everything, from stupid bars in iPhoto 11 to the stupid "reflecting" glossy screen of the new external large 27inch Cinema display is a very telling story: there is a dedicated effort to foster quick sales, and the real quality, or lack of it, is not a concern anymore. I see it as a trend by Apple off late and I am very sorry they went this way.

This "update" looks to me almost Microsoft-engineered, it follows the familiar logic: it gives me a ton of things I couldn't care less about (facebook is one, email templates is another), and yet it conveniently robs me of the core features I used to use, without offering anything useful (face and geography are way too clumsy for me to even touch either). Was there an executive from MS involved in this all on the Apple side? I would not be surprised a bit: whoever gave this upgrade a "go" knows nothing about the product they "upgraded".

PS: people who proudly list their equipment at the bottom, including such items as their cellphones, should consider adding their coffee makers, brand names of the tyres on their cars, and toilet paper they use, so that we could all learn from them.
 
rexone said:
Wow, lucky you.
For many many many users it will not display any more than one picture at once & the ability to compare images side-by-side has been lost in this new version.
I'm just in the process of going back to the previous version as the new one is just a tragic mess.
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Good point: with this "upgrade" I have no idea how to display images side by side, Compare is gone as well... I have no idea how the guy posting the image made the three pictures show up together.
 
DenisK said:
Good point: with this "upgrade" I have no idea how to display images side by side, Compare is gone as well... I have no idea how the guy posting the image made the three pictures show up together.
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The thumbnail pics at the bottom middle of the screen. Single click brings up one large image, Cmd+Click multiple pics , brings up multiple pics just like his example.
 
DenisK said:
Good point: with this "upgrade" I have no idea how to display images side by side, Compare is gone as well... I have no idea how the guy posting the image made the three pictures show up together.
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Oh wow, I just figured it out. I was banging my head trying to figure out how he did it too.

Turns out, you can ONLY do compare now with that giant honking edit sidebar visible! If you command-click another photo in the thumbnail bar, it won't do anything. Click edit on the bottom and THEN you can do it. But that means you have even LESS space.

If you're comparing 2 or 3+ photos, why would you want or need a giant sidebar?

Yikes, it just gets worse.
 
rorschach said:
If you're comparing 2 or 3+ photos, why would you want or need a giant sidebar?

Yikes, it just gets worse.
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Exactly! Likewise, if you want to zoom in a picture, why do you need to decrease that picture first by the giant sidebar?
 
mdewberry said:
I agree with the criticism of the new full screen functionality.. The first thing I do (in iPhoto 9) when I import photos is to select the first photo, select the dual arrow button on the bottom that opens the picture up to full screen, and scroll through them one by one with each photo (taking up the majority of the screen).. It looks now like I would need to use slide show for that which is not optimal (as I could do edits on the fly with iPhoto 9..) I anticipate I will still upgrade as I like a lot of the new stuff, but it is a big disappointment that I can't scroll through my pictures in full screen...
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not only can you NOT see the photo in fullscreen, you can also NOT delete anything in this mode. you can not delete, you can not rotate, you can only see a slideshow. this is NOT a replacement for a normal foto viewing process!

many of my friends who I recomendet an apple computer now ask me if apple is nuts, because with every normal pc it is possible to see photos in fullscreen and also delete them. it is a huge step backwards from apple, and they should get over there snobby behaviour and force the user to do it THEIR way. just because an apple engineer thinks fullscreen is "bad" doesn't mean it IS REALLY bad.

I am so disapointed with apple. and many other people are too.
 
bmcgonag said:
I'm no expert, that you can be sure of, but I'm willing to bet if enough of you share the feedback link provided in a couple of the posts, and get enough other disappointed users to give this feedback to Apple in a constructive way, with some solid explanation of why you liked the other way better, and what advantages you found with it, they are likely to update it at a later time, and hopefully to suit your desires.

Apple is all about design. On more than several occasions I have seen them implement the changes that the users expressed wanting.

Best of luck.
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yes, maybe. but maybe apple is just ignoring it? they can do what they want, and they do it. fullscreen mode? gone! we want it! we want to force you to buy apperture!

even worse: why do i have to give apple an email adress to make a complaint? why can't the user just be anynomous? it feels to me like a game of power. and apple wants to show its power...
 
Thanks for the heads up. I just bought via the up-to-date program for £5.95. I won't install iPhoto unless they fix this.
 
mmomega said:
I have a 13" macbook as well and it's really not that big a deal to me, people just get worked up over different things.
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three portrait photos next to each other - no problem in iphoto 09.

now in iphoto 11 it's half the size now! it looks like three stamps! I can not see if the photo is blurry, i can not see if it looks good, i can only see a stampsize photo!

if YOU can live with that: fine. I can NOT live with that, especially knowing that i am FORCED to have this editing bar on the right side.

besides that: apple - master of user experience - all of a sudden changes the "esc" button from going back to leaving the fullscreen mode.

i keep on pressing esc to go back to the photo-wall, but now i keep on leaving the whole fullscreen mode! it is totally silly!

i would say "can happen" if i wouldn't know that apple is rejecting thousands of apps because they are not like apple wants their user interface. someone made a program that uses the volume key to shoot a photo (a very clever idea) - rejected! apple thinks user are distracted by this function because they expect volume up/down when they take a picture and press this key (of course we ALL press volume up/down when taking photos... everyone plays music while taking pictures, right apple?)

and then apple changes the functionality from esc = leave the picture and go back to esc = leave the fullscreen mode.

actually: how do you now go back with the keyboard? because with the mouse it is doubleclick! and usually doubleclick is opening, but now it is going back...? confusing? no... yes...? apple!
 
Frosties said:
You can still view full screen through the finder or quick look can't you? Would that be the temporary workaround until this bug is fixed?
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a very good work around! an apple program is getting unusable, and the work around is not to use the program.

maybe the workaround for this bad function is to buy a pc and use windows 98? because back then this worked fine (and still works). fullscreen is NO bad thing, it is a normal and natural thing to display a photo.

btw: the quicklook way of displaying photos is also quite stupid, but i got used to it. you can NOT go to the next picture in fullscreen mode! I was wondering that still no one is complaining about that. but it seems like apple user are accepting EVERYTHING apple gives them as a limitation. makes me quite sad (being an apple user myself).
 
rexone said:
I'm just in the process of going back to the previous version as the new one is just a tragic mess.
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that is actually a good question: can you go back one version in iphoto without going back one version in the rest of the ilife suite?

also note that all the photos had to be converted to ilife 11. can anyone explain to me why photos have to be updated? did apple put a copyright bit into it? what was the update-process with pictures? are you guys out there feeling happy that apple is touching photos which have been shooting by US? i actually don't want apple to touch my photos. they are mine, I created them! and i want every bit of them be the same.

who can assure me, that with this "updating of the photos" the picture quality has not been changed to bad?
 
DenisK said:
Good point: with this "upgrade" I have no idea how to display images side by side, Compare is gone as well... I have no idea how the guy posting the image made the three pictures show up together.
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this is unbelievable and a very good example of how apple made the whole thing worse!

logical thing: klick on 3 photos, double klick one.

but: doesn't work!

apple, THIS IS ILLOGICAL!!!! why are we forced to this stupid user interface behaviour? can anyone at apple please explain this?

apple seemed to be more logical than other companies, but now they got really bad. even windows is behaving a lot more logical!

however, how did i do this photo: select the three photos and click on edit.

btw: this photo was done in "fullscreen mode". if you don't click on fullscreen (like we all used to work in the old iphoto) the 3 photos are even smaller, because this sidebar is on the left!!! the 3 photos shrink to stampsize!

maybe apple developers never used this program on a mac book. are they only living in the apple headquarter where the 27" cinemadisplays are free and everyone has one?

i don't have one.

i don't even want one, because i like working on my macbook on my sofa.

I would like programs to work fine. but this is not. this program is slow, overblown and totally reduced in the wrong places!

oh, btw: i really wished the geolocation function would have been improved. it is a step back!

i also wished there was a function to change perspective problems when taking photos (perspective correction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_correction )

but hey, this is apple! you get the SAME tools to correct photos. but it is all embedded in a new user interface that makes it more difficult! at least you got something: a worse user interface!
 
mmomega said:
The thumbnail pics at the bottom middle of the screen. Single click brings up one large image, Cmd+Click multiple pics , brings up multiple pics just like his example.
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WRONG!!!! you might think this is a logical way to show 3 pictures.

no matter how many photos you select - it only shows one when you double click on the last!

you need to go to edit to show the three. but once you are in edit, you are forced to see all the editing tools. want to see the 3 pictures without sidebar on the left, bar on the top, editing tools on the right and stupid representation of other photos on the bottom? not possible. just not possible! it is NOT POSSIBLE to show ONLY 3 pictures next to each other.

it isn't even possible to show ONE picture without a frame around and editing tools! even in the fullscreen mode!

you feel like a fool. they hype this program with the fullscreen mode and yet this fullscreen mode is not fullscreen!
 
Bodypainter said:
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ok, this is a picture of the fullscreen mode showing 3 pictures. note that i don't want to EDIT the pictures, i just want to compare them and delete the one i don't like. you are not able to get rid of the bar at the top (which i could live with), you can not get rid of the huge editing thing on the right (this IS a problem) and you also are forced to have a huge bar on the bottom that displays more pictures and lots of text. this is fullscreen? yes, this is fullscreen! this is the most reduced you can get when watching photos!

as you can see the three photos are really small. that's because the menu on the right uses up so much space. it is also difficult to concentrate on the three photos as the user interface around also wants your attention. i have asked many people now, and most say that they want to be able to see a photo fullscreen. this is not "pro feature" (someone suggested to buy apperture) – this is BASIC feature!

ps: i am surprised no one at the iphoto team invented an algorythm to display 3 wide photos underneath each other. would make a lot more sense for landscape photos! the photos are always shown vertically, no matter how much space is wasted/unused... weird!
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Hey, you just click the edit button again and the bar on the right goes away.
 
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