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I bought it and should be in today. So, if they fix this in a few days, won't the install disk still have the old code and crap the photos?
How can you get around all of this nonsense?

Install it, but before opening iPhoto download any software updates, then open iPhoto for the first time. Should work.
 
I agree...totally unforgivable. What kind of QA testing is Apple doing?

I would totally freak...if I lost my thousands (if not tens of thousands) of photos (even if I had a backup), I would not only demand a full refund but I would likely never use iPhoto or a Mac again.
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So basically you have no security measure for any kind of physical loss. You know - Apple can write the best software on the planet - if somebody steals your Macbook and you use that as your primary computer - well then the pix are lost. The basic backup process people are referring to is that you take your raw unprocessed JPEGS (or whatever format you have) and at least copy them to another destination. Honestly it's not about "Faces", "Places" or geo-tagging - it's about actual loss of the complete image.

AND THAT IS SOLELY THE USERS FAULT.

If you haven't done so already use spotlight to find the "originals" folder in your iTunes library (in case they still use that moniker - I stopped upgrading with iPhoto 6 :D). There you should find your untouched files that were directly imported from your camera.

BACK THESE UP! And just these files! All the other info, tagging and metadata stuff is a PITA to add again - but it's just your personal thing. Losing the original itself is what kills it - just like losing your negative in the old days.

And talking about thousands of photos. Yes, you are right with spanning. But if you back them up on a regular basis (say 3 month cycle) you surely would use RW-discs til one is filled up. If you have one disc full of photos - no worries - just label it correctly (say June 2010 - October 2010) and sit back perfectly happy for the next decade. They won't be lost on an optical.
 
Will iPhoto '11 automatically overwrite iPhoto '08? If not, can they co-exist on the same Mac?

Maybe I'll just wait for a bug fix instead.


No real reason to keep both on your computer since neither can read the other's library. The first thing iLife '11 does is modify the library. After that previous versions of iLife won't be able to use it.

Back up your library -- it should be backed up anyway -- and then install '11. If something does go haywire, you are covered. I don't think this is a wide spread problem -- lots of loud voices in a 2 x 4 room. I certainly didn't have any problems coming from '09.
 
OK, not supporting the older AppleTV simply sucks.

So, to use any albums from iPhoto 11 (and presumably later) with an AppleTV, I have to throw out the perfectly good one that I have (that has storage!) and get a new streaming thing?

That's simply unacceptable.
 
I really hate to say this

I have been an "APPLE" consigliere since 1984 and have never posted a negative comment about any Apple product until now. Over the years I have purchased and been responsible for the acquisitions of many Apple products... I really feel betrayed having purchased the family pack ilife11. You can read the technical problems from one end of the www to the other not to mention the measly 15 trailers which blur the images where ever there is a banner..... iphoto and imovie are a joke -- not worth it at any price! I strongly recommend a do-not buy for anyone who has not yet made the purchase. I bought the family pack and went so far as to pay to have it sent overnight. What a mistake -- APPLE --if you needed the $$$$ that bad next time pass the hat! :apple: I'm --:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
f you have one disc full of photos - no worries - just label it correctly (say June 2010 - October 2010) and sit back perfectly happy for the next decade. They won't be lost on an optical.

I wish! Optical disks are known to degrade and fail. At least make two copies (in different brands) and check them every couple of years. Or make an optical disk backup and a hard drive backup.
 
Some of us who are faithful Mac users have come to understand one of Apple's dirty little secrets. Apple has a lot of trouble with some newly released hardware and with a lot of newly released software.

The fanboys will disagree (of course) but considering how few Mac hardware combos there are to account for Apple really does release almost beta quality software. Snow Leopard was supposed to be refined but created a number of problems that wouldn't be listed under "refined". I took a couple of updates to make it usable.

Aperture 3 was a total cluster. Its ability to run on current machines from the same manufacturer and to update an earlier version was buggy at the least. The original release was alpha quality at best. Only after the last few A3 and Pro updates has Aperture started actually acting like a pro application.

iLife 11 looks like it's following the same pattern. Some machines run it good, other just crash, and still others bog down. The new version was shipped with no update to a couple of its components, with no 64-bit processing power for huge iPhoto libraries and without the ability to make calendars as we get close to Christmas.

It looks like iPhoto calendars was not the only part of iLife 11 that needs to be finished and properly tested. Get the money first, then fix the problems.

I love working on my Macs but it's like having a close friend with a serious flaw. I'll just sit back and wait until Apple finishes with the beta that they're selling customers as a finished product.
 
Apple really seems to be dropping the ball lately when it comes to upgrades. First, it was the iPhone 4 proximity sensor/antenna debacle and now this. They need to make sure all of their latest products adhere to the "it just works" mentality.

I loved my iPhone 3G and after I saw the iPhone 4 event, I knew it was time to upgrade. WRONG!! I started putting colleagues on speakerphone and conferencing in unsuspecting third-parties during sensitive calls. Unaccaptable. I was not happy having to ditch my iPhone 4, but I did it because I needed a phone that functioned correctly as a basic phone when I needed it to work. To this day, even with the release of the iOS that supposedly fixed the problem, the threads about iPhone 4 proximity sensor problems continue on Apple's discussions boards.

I don't depend on iPhoto in the same way I did on my iPhone, but it does contain all of my photos from the last 3+ years. I have everything backed up, but it's not worth the hassle of dealing with another "upgrade a la iPhone 4." I'll stick with iLife '09 until Apple gets their stuff together. I hope this kind of shoddiness won't begin to carry over into their computer hardware or I will be extremely disappointed when it comes time for me to purchase a new MacBook Pro in a year or two.
 
Apple really seems to be dropping the ball lately when it comes to upgrades. First, it was the iPhone 4 proximity sensor/antenna debacle and now this. They need to make sure all of their latest products adhere to the "it just works" mentality.

I loved my iPhone 3G and after I saw the iPhone 4 event, I knew it was time to upgrade. WRONG!! I started putting colleagues on speakerphone and conferencing in unsuspecting third-parties during sensitive calls. Unaccaptable. I was not happy having to ditch my iPhone 4, but I did it because I needed a phone that functioned correctly as a basic phone when I needed it to work. To this day, even with the release of the iOS that supposedly fixed the problem, the threads about iPhone 4 proximity sensor problems continue on Apple's discussions boards.

I don't depend on iPhoto in the same way I did on my iPhone, but it does contain all of my photos from the last 3+ years. I have everything backed up, but it's not worth the hassle of dealing with another "upgrade a la iPhone 4." I'll stick with iLife '09 until Apple gets their stuff together. I hope this kind of shoddiness won't begin to carry over into their computer hardware or I will be extremely disappointed when it comes time for me to purchase a new MacBook Pro in a year or two.


Iphone 4 rocks bro..had one from day one...no issues...
iLife is a different story.....

The apple hardware is better than anything else out there...had a Ipad 64GB 3G from day one...no issues.

But I have never own a real mac....Looking at an iMac 27 inch....or the new 13 inch macbook air...
 
Well I haven't lost any photos thankfully.

But I'm not happy about losing true Full-Screen viewing.

And no support for old apple tv is simply unacceptable. I mean they were still selling in the Apple store this year! You just can't stop support for hardware that quickly.
 
I'm loving the new iLife. For a moment I did think I had lost photos in iPhoto but it was simply a "sorting" setting under "VIEW" tab. I changed to "sort by date" and there were all my photos.
 
I upgraded to iLife 11 the day of release (yup, me too,) and haven't noticed any major problems. Handling of events is bad now - imported photo batch panel does not have editable event name box anymore - workaround is awkward - also have four backups - 2 are up-to-date 1 Time Machine, 1 carbon copy clone/bootable firewire backed up every two days then 2 "archive" copies: 1 at a cloud backup no-size limit server ($20/year) and a separate firewire bootable carbon copy cloner volume

my problem was huge library of 25+GB photos/vids that I needed to backup before slimming down "working" library. After all that managed (including overnight wireless ftp upload to remote cloud server) I deleted a bunch from working library that's when iPhoto 11 came out and was installed - I have over 200 facebook albums and install went through them all and asked to delete (or not) unsynched albums from my "events" list so that's ok - ones where I had edited name in FB site but name in "events" list in iPhoto was older - that caught my breath a few times and it took quite a while. Cleaned up my "events" list, though - "list" has gone away and now is sort of a "live" gallery type panel - gotta get used to that - shows thumbs of what was uploaded in each. No problems otherwise that I have found - Face Book uploader is sort of skwerlly though...may be a problem
 
Sorry, but just to be clear. If I update to iPhoto 11', my old AppleTV won't be able to sync photo's in iPhoto 11' through iTunes? Is this for sure?
 
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Hold on a minute. What exactly is being lost here? Is it the actual files, or is it that the library file is messed up so that some or all pictures aren't showing up in iPhoto.

When my wife upgraded from her old PowerBook to her new MacBook we had the latter problem. Sure it was a pain in the ass, but all the photos were still there.

Are people seeing a significant increase in the space available on the hard drive?
 
So basically you have no security measure for any kind of physical loss...

I agree with everything you said...it really is about 1)users backing up their important/critical data no matter what computer/machine/OS/software they use and 2)nothing in life is permanent...not even the most expensive dvdrs or cdrs.

All I am saying is that if I paid for an upgrade and it nuked all of the DATA THAT IT CONTROLS (which in this case is my pix...what if it was a tax-return program or Office application), there was a SERIOUS FAILURE on the part of the software vendor (in this case Apple) for doing BASIC testing. Moreover, the casual user doesn't know how to "back up" stuff..."backup" can be defined about 15 ways. iPhoto should have a fairly simple yet complete backup feature that also allows users to choose the media. I would imagine there will be some lawsuits regarding this topic. This isn't 1981 when computer technology was far from consumer mainstream. Any court in America would almost instantly decide that Apple is guilty of negligence no matter what the fine print of their 80 page User Agreement says. And, unlike many other software application upgrades, I'm guessing Apple didn't put a step in the upgrade process that asked "would you like to back up all your pictures before you continue?".

I'm also not a fan of intermittent backups...only backing up what has changed/added/deleted since the last backup. I like having a folder (in my case about 60GB) worth of JPGs...and this 60GB folder is quite easy to copy to a slew of hard drives or even RAR up with parity for extra protection. Forcing me to plop 60GB on a set of cds or dvds is just impractical.
 
Photos lost, but found again.

Installed I11 and actually thought I lost some photos. I have a lot of "folders" of pics and actually found that the order was rearranged. So newer photos were found in the middle of the old ones. Perhaps thats a problem that more than me have. Not so fun, but at least the pics are not permanently lost.

Whoa
 
AppleTV works

It works like it used to with my AppleTV 1G, not sure at all what this talk about support being dropped is all about.
 
iPhoto 11 really does erase photos. Make a BACKUP!

I have 50,000+ photos in my iPhoto Library (233Gb), and attempted an upgrade to iPhoto 11. After 10-15 minutes, it hung. The Activity Monitor confirmed it was "not responding" so I force quit. When I opened iPhoto again, it again asked if I wanted to upgrade. I said yes. This time it took only a few minutes, but when it opened, all my photos were gone.

I, too, thought that maybe it was just the library file that was corrupted, but when I went to check, the iPhoto Library only took up 6.5gb instead of the original 233gb. There were no photos anywhere.

I did have a backup (that took two hours to copy back to my computer). But I shudder to think of all those people, many of whom are posting bewildered posts on the Apple Discussion Forums right now, who have lost thousands and years of photos. It's too sad.

No other software I have goes through my documents and erases them when I upgrade. It's absolutely unacceptable.

Make sure you BACK UP your photos before attempting an upgrade.

More details here: http://www.pigsgourdsandwikis.com/2010/10/warning-iphoto-11-erases-entire-iphoto.html
 
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