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iPod Flash Early 2005?

Some_Big_Spoon said:
please just spin the ipod off into another company already so I don't have to hear about it any more when I go to Mac pages. I'm so tired of it.

Let Apple Computer make computers and let them be forced to innovate and do real advertising instead of riding this little calculator that plays music's coat tails.

I'm glad that every illiterate mtv mistake of nature has one.. really I am, but it's boring and gets in the way of focusing on Apple making computers and needing to make money off of selling computers.

Let the kiddies flame on.
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apple actually made the ipod for a specific purpose and it isnt only for playing music. its an innovative business strategy to bring their inventions and vision to people who need to be led to water...and apparently their drinking. theres more to the picture then what you seem to be aware of. i know we hear a lot about the pod but theres no reason to get upset over it. its a good thing...no harm or ill will right? :)
 
~Shard~ said:
<big snip>

If you're trying to cause trouble or rile people up, please go elsewhere, that behavior isn't welcome here at MacRumors. You are of course entitled to speak your opinions, but there is no need to user such an overtly negative tone coupled with insults.
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Mr. ~Shard~,

Thank you for your well written response.

It's nice to have a civil conversation about future possibilties without interferance from others who would like to derail the discussion.

Domo Domo! :)

Sushi
 
sushi said:
I doubt that Apple will pursue this level.

A year ago, I purchased a 256MB flash player for around $250.

Today they are about $70.

There is no margin in this market for Apple.

However, around the 512-1GB area, there is. That is where I would expect Apple to focus on.

Sushi
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well 512 would be alright..

my ideal situation:

-make a 50-100 song playlist in itunes
-export it to my ipod micro
-listen to it that day/journey/whatever
-get back
-make another playlist for the next time.

:)
 
themacman said:
Can we exspect this at the expo in London? What else would be reaslease
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Nope.

It's a trade show with an Apple stand and a whole bunch of third-party people... like Adobe, Quark, Belkin, etc.

It's taking place only a 10 min walk from where I'm writing this and seems to be conveniently timed for the opening of the new Apple Store in Regent Street on Saturday.

I was going to go till I found out they were charging £10 to get in.
 
themacman said:
Can we exspect this at the expo in London? What else would be reaslease
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honestly, i dont think we are going to see much new stuff at the expo in London - im still waiting for the new powerbook , but i have accepted the fact that it wont be until Jan ...
(on a side note) on macnn.com forums there was a guy claiming he saw the powerbook - said it was up to 2ghz , and made out of carbon fibre with "red LED look" (knightrider anyone?). If black carbon fibre is the new apple motif then perhaps new ipod's etc will change from white to black

its just an idea
as for london (back on topic :) ) i think we might see a pricedrop for the older products ...
Rob

PS: Some_Big_Spoon; if you hate a product so much , why enter into a forum discussion on it? no one likes angst ...
 
Design king

Why doesn't apple hold a design competition?

I think I am better than Johnathon Ives.
 
When Apple unveils the iPod micro mini (or whatever they call it), I expect to see the mini go to at least 6GB, if not 8GB. That would close what has become a rather large hole in the product offerings between a 4GB mini and the minimum iPod at 20GB. So:

iPod photo - 60GB, $599
iPod photo - 40GB, $499

iPod - 40GB, $399
iPod - 20GB, $299

iPod mini - 6 or 8GB, $249
iPod micro mini - 1 or 2GB, $179

What I'd be more excited to see is Apple and Moto getting together to release the iPhone - a slider phone that is a 1 or 2GB iPod when closed, and a phone when open.
 
sushi said:
Mr. ~Shard~,

Thank you for your well written response.

It's nice to have a civil conversation about future possibilties without interferance from others who would like to derail the discussion.

Domo Domo! :)

Sushi
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Thanks Sushi, I appreciate it. As for Some_Big_Spoon, his profile indicates he's already been back on MacRumors since I posted my reply, but obviously he hasn't got around to replying yet, I'm curious to hear his rebuttal. ;)
 
powermac666 said:
What I'd be more excited to see is Apple and Moto getting together to release the iPhone - a slider phone that is a 1 or 2GB iPod when closed, and a phone when open.
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Might as well make it a PDA as well! :eek: ;)
 
~Shard~ said:
Might as well make it a PDA as well! :eek: ;)
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Hey Steve!!! If you build it, they will buy.

I'd love for Apple to release a phone/PDA/MP3 player. If there's one company who might actually make this never-done-right convergence work...
 
cheekyspanky said:
Yes, this can be considered a good thing for us, we get to have the cool new Apple gear at lower prices, but if everyone else has it too then the desirability decreases. Would you value your iPod/iMac/Powerbook etc as much if it cost half as much?
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Considering the reason why I don't own any Apple gear besides an iPod (which just left Subic Bay Freeport PH) is because it's all too expensive for me, the answer is yes. I'd value something I wouldn't have been able to have otherwise.

You have to understand, there's a lot more market share ready for the taking, if only Apple would decrease the Apple tax. People are so fed up in general here in the world of PCs, and a lot of *nix guys agree that Apple makes good hardware and now the OS is mostly up to it, it's just that the Apple tax is another barrier.

The easiest way to move in would be through the laptop market first, since PC users are already used to all in one devices with limited upgradeability. The answer isn't to reduce the feature set to offer cheaper notebooks that don't cannibalize sales of the expensive ones, like they're doing now. The answer is to reduce the price of the best notebooks, because the flood of demand will make up for the lack of margin on individual units. Besides, hardware sales mean a lockin on software, and Apple ought to really be banking on that software.
 
~Shard~ said:
Time to put your Photoshop skills where your mouth is! ;) :cool:
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I agree! Also it's one thing to "Photoshop" something and another to actually do a product design. Industrial design is a whole lot different then just playing around in photoshop. You have to really know about the materials you are using, their interaction with items around them, 3D modelling, fabrication and so much more outside of just 'design'. The iPod Micro mockups I posted earlier were done in Photoshop. Those are FAR away from what's actually involved in making the product a reality. So Jonathan Ives has nothing to worry about from me or many of the other 'wannabes' ... so let's be honest with ourselves about what we can and CAN'T do people! :)
 
im sure Jonathan Ives doesnt do all the grunt work of making the illustrations in its most polished form. he most likely does something very close to what you did and lets others put all the polish on the comps. he doesnt need to be bothered with all the details of the 3D render...im sure its understood that if he says "its made of the same metal as the mini"...the 3D artist would be expected to know what he means and how to illustrate the effect.

at least thats how things work in other creative production workflows. you have the creative director work a rough of his/her concept and he hands it down to the artists to render the vision.

i think the comp you did (if your the guy who did the square illustration) would be very similiar to what Jonathan Ives would hand off. matter of fact...most creative directors i work with still like to use marker comps. its the idea behind it that matters...not who makes a 3D model of the concept....just like halo...the artist conceptualizes the idea and others turn it into a 3D model.
 
powermac666 said:
Hey Steve!!! If you build it, they will buy.

I'd love for Apple to release a phone/PDA/MP3 player. If there's one company who might actually make this never-done-right convergence work...
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That's very true - if someone's gonna do it right, it's probably going to be Apple.

And yes, if Apple builds it, people do seem to buy it - regardless of what it is and what its price is! Just look at products like the iPod mini, and how people questioned its capacity and hefty price tag - next thing you know, they're sold out for months...

I'd buy an Apple iPod phone... :cool:
 
beatle888 said:
i think the comp you did (if your the guy who did the square illustration) would be very similiar to what Jonathan Ives would hand off. matter of fact...most creative directors i work with still like to use marker comps. its the idea behind it that matters...not who makes a 3D model of the concept....just like halo...the artist conceptualizes the idea and others turn it into a 3D model.
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While I agree with you that Jonathan Ives doesn't sit there and make the 3D models himself, he still has to have a very firm understanding of the process, as well as the properties and details of the materials he uses (aluminum, plastics, etc, etc.. ) and all the other aspects involved in product design. Using myself as an example, I can sit here all day and mock up Apple products in Photoshop (http://www.applepete.com) but there is no way I would know what to do to make it real. I know nothing about using lucite with aluminum :) . It's not that I'm trying to put down us "Photoshoppers" .... it's more that I'm giving credit to industrial designers - that it is a unique discipline with it's own skillset.
 
~Shard~ said:
That's very true - if someone's gonna do it right, it's probably going to be Apple.

And yes, if Apple builds it, people do seem to buy it - regardless of what it is and what its price is! Just look at products like the iPod mini, and how people questioned its capacity and hefty price tag - next thing you know, they're sold out for months...

I'd buy an Apple iPod phone... :cool:
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The new iPhone, with Palm OS 5.2 and a 2GB iPod mini built-in.
Starting at $799.
:eek: :eek:
 
powermac666 said:
The new iPhone, with Palm OS 5.2 and a 2GB iPod mini built-in.
Starting at $799.
:eek: :eek:
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Price might be bit high but the stats are exactly what I am after...maybe a 4gig microdrive...

I would also expect it to work fully with iLife...
 
powermac666 said:
The new iPhone, with Palm OS 5.2 and a 2GB iPod mini built-in.
Starting at $799.
:eek: :eek:
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Sounds like a winner. Except screw Palm OS, and bring on a compact version of OS X! Let's see, what could you call a smaller version of Panther or Tiger... How about OS X "Cub"? ;) :rolleyes: :cool:
 
powermac666 said:
Hey Steve!!! If you build it, they will buy.

I'd love for Apple to release a phone/PDA/MP3 player. If there's one company who might actually make this never-done-right convergence work...
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Since Apple announced its cooperation with Motorola to make an iTunes-compatible cell phone, do you think that such a device would be produced by a joint venture (gasp!) between Apple and Motorola?
:eek:

Flame away!
 
How about something the size of an iPod Mini, with 1GB of built in and then a CF slot for upgradability? And use software to lock it down to only a 8GB max upgrade...
 
Mechcozmo said:
How about something the size of an iPod Mini, with 1GB of built in and then a CF slot for upgradability? And use software to lock it down to only a 8GB max upgrade...
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I understand where you are coming from. Many current MP3 players have a memory expansion slot.

However, with regards to Apple, I just don't see them going with this approach. They like the closed design concept too much.

Now while this may seem to be a limitation, it is also an advantage. A closed system can be designed to be smaller and stronger while being lighter. This is key with a flash based player. The ones over here that have removeable/replaceable batteries are much more flimsy than the all in one designs. I would think that this is a good thing for most folks needs since flash based players tend to be used more roughly than the HD based ones.

Anyhow, my .03!

Sushi
 
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