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I could definitely see things that are different, but I wouldnt exagerate it like you are by saying they are completely different which is just crazy. They still share the same idea and style, which is stale and looking very dated.

Yes, they still fold in half, and have a screen and keyboard. This is pretty much essential for them to be classed as notebooks - there's not really that much room for change in that regard. :rolleyes:

In all fairness, it was said that from a distance they look very similar, and that can't be disputed, because unfortunately they do.


They're different sizes, have a different thickness. Their screens are entirely different shapes. Open or shut, they have different characteristics if you're paying attention, down to the latches and hinges. Stuff like Magsafe and iSight (or a lack thereof) are dead giveaways. You would have to have really bad eyesight to not be able to distinguish one from the other,

This apparently can't be conveyed through words, so I've done a photo hunt which should hopefully put this all to rest. Pay better attention to product design, guys.
 

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The thing is, if youre not around these laptops all day every day (like you, apparently), you wont be able to tell the difference.

Really, stop arguing over this futile stuff, it is just showing how sparse rumors that come true are, and how ridiculous arguments over them are.
 
They're different sizes, have a different thickness. Their screens are entirely different shapes. Open or shut, they have different characteristics if you're paying attention, down to the latches and hinges. Stuff like Magsafe and iSight are dead giveaways. You would have to really bad eyesight to not be able to distinguish one from the other,

This apparently can't be conveyed through words, so I've done a photo hunt which should hopefully put this all to rest. Pay better attention to product design, guys.

The point of the entire discussion wasnt that they were not different, just that there hasnt been a major overhaul between the two, they are very similar looking.

The chances are, the new ones will be aluminium, which will be a lot more distinguishable.
 
I can understand that some requests are outlandish to slot into a Macbook, but somehow, the Macbook manages to be a relatively low-end laptop spec-wise, but high end price-wise in comparison to the rest of the laptop market.

And yet Apple still sells them by the millions every year at tremendous profit...


And what about those of us who want a 13.3" with a dedicated GPU, and are quite prepared to pay for it?

I wish Apple would either release a 13.3" MBP or give the high end MB's an 8400 or whatever. Sure, keep the IGP in the base MB. But give us some choice on the higher-end Apple.

And yet, if the difference was a "Black Book" with an 8400GS at $1699 or the current MBP at $1999, when looking at a three year minimum usage period, wouldn't you really just get the MBP? Bigger screen. Better GPU. FW800. Standard, not Mini-DVI (so no dongle). Better keyboard (IMO). Not much more weight (I swear my 15" MBP feels lighter then my 13" MB). Better speakers.

I understand those who pine for the old 12" PowerBook, but Apple has decided that people bought it for the form factor, not the performance, and as such has given us the MacBook Air. They may very well have been wrong in that decision, but having made it, I really don't think we will see a 13.3" MacBook Pro (or said equivalent in the MacBook line) anytime soon...


The point of the entire discussion wasnt that they were not different, just that there hasnt been a major overhaul between the two, they are very similar looking.

And yet, having invested much time and energy in not only developing that "look" but then marketing it and driving it deep into the minds of the buying public, why would they want to totally discard it?

My friend whipped out his G4 MacBook Pro the other day and I thought it was an Intel unit like mine until I saw the plastic part on the LCD display that is not present on my unit...

I can fully understand why Apple has tried to keep their product lines looking as similar as possible for as long as possible to not just build, but to also maintain, brand awareness across product generations.
 
And yet, having invested much time and energy in not only developing that "look" but then marketing it and driving it deep into the minds of the buying public, why would they want to totally discard it?

Again, it wasnt a dig, I prefer my white Macbook to the aluminium, so I'd like to think they wouldnt change.

Unfortunately though, as much as they have got this image, things change, it won't stay static forever.
I remember when the white colour was symbolic of the iPod over any other mp3 player, look where that went....
 
Another poster mentioned that Apple might do away with the Macbook and go with one laptop line. Interesting idea. They could with all aluminum like they currently offer in the proline... then go with an entry level product that has Macbook features; a middle ground laptop with separate gpu; a high-end with 17" screen and provision for 4 processors (bigger case with larger heatsink). If Apple carried 3 versions of the same laptop, they would be able to sell if for less and update the line more frequently. Each model could provide for more upgrade options beyond the base model like they currently offer. And because they offer only 3 models, the upgrade options can be more diverse than what the offer now.

I don't think it matters whether they cal it by one name or two. They still need a lower-cost entry-level model, and a higher-price, higher performance model (or two). And by "lower-cost entry-level," I don't mean the MBA.
 
I hope to god that the computer just doesn't become thinner and faster. I want my third USB port, a few other ports, and dedicated graphics (although the GMX4500 is very able so I have heard). Plus a lower price tag...

But it won't happen. It will be made to be thinner, more stylish, a lil faster etc.
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Updated my concept to be more in line with the 'leaked' case photos.

Yeah, I can see that. A thick MacBook Air with Pro functionality, ports and spec-wise.

Very beautiful :)

This is the design change that the entire Macbook line will go to, it's inevitable.

I'd wonder where this leaves the "Aluminium MacBook" speculation though. Just thicker still, with less ports? (and 13" of course).

If all ranges of MacBook begin looking quite uniform in this manner, there'd have to be noticeable extras in all areas of MacBook Pro/Air to warrant the additional cost. I pray the new MBPs have an interior refresh as impressive too. OP's got maglatch in that mockup there, let's hope for a larger trackpad, user-accesible HD bay, perhaps a higher resolution at least as an option on the 15"s... and maybe to shed some weight if at all possible.

Same for MacBook Air, either go smaller/lighter, or offer more. The SSD model's already had a price crash, maybe the entry level could see one too, or an increase in the processor/battery performance (without undervolting), increases in stock HD rpm/capacity/both....
 
Yeah, I can see that. A thick MacBook Air with Pro functionality, ports and spec-wise. I'd wonder where this leaves the "Aluminium MacBook" speculation though. Just thicker still, with less ports? (and 13" of course)

I pray the new MBPs have an interior refresh as impressive too. You've got maglatch in there, let's hope for a larger trackpad, user-accesible HD bay, perhaps a higher resolution at least as an option on the 15"s...

Yeh I think that's the way forward with the Macbook.
Chances are, Apple are going to just make the whole Macbook family line very similar in design and just differentiate mainly with specifications and screen sizes, etc.
 
Because quite a few people, especially students, can't afford the Macbook Pro.
Yet the Macbook is actually relatively expensive when you compare it to other laptops curently on the market.
You can get laptops with the spec of a Macbook Pro for easily cheaper than a Macbook nowadays.

well if you cant afford the pro, then DONT expect pro features
 
well if you cant afford the pro, then DONT expect pro features

I wasn't suggesting that it does get 'Pro' features, the point being is that the current 'Pro' isn't really that high-end when considering the rest of the market. So I think both the MBP and the normal MB need significant upgrades.
 
Is there any hope for a new Touch with at&t data access? This would be great for those who dont need a new phone.
 
I hope to god that the computer just doesn't become thinner and faster. I want my third USB port, a few other ports, and dedicated graphics (although the GMX4500 is very able so I have heard). Plus a lower price tag...

But it won't happen. It will be made to be thinner, more stylish, a lil faster etc.
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i dont think it'll be air thin, so you might get your 3rd usb, but i wouldnt expect dedicated graphics(if you want a lower price), most consumer laptops have integrated laptops, id buy the macbook pro if you wanted that
 
well if you cant afford the pro, then DONT expect pro features

Not everyone is inclined to drop a extra grand for dedicated graphics, another 2 inches of screen space, and a metal casing/different keyboard.

Hardware wise, you can buy PC's that are equal to or are greater than a Mac (hardware wise, not software, that is opinion) for a equal price or less.

Apple lags behind PC makers with hardware specs.

Dude, you buy a MacBook which is a 1000 dollar + laptop and you don't even get a third USB port. Enough said...
 
Is there any hope for a new Touch with at&t data access? This would be great for those who dont need a new phone.

I doubt it, purely because it would possibly cannibalise the iPhone sales.
Literally the single difference then would be GPS and the physical phone aspect, of which many probably wouldnt be bothered about and would be inclined to just keep seperate.
 
I doubt it, purely because it would possibly cannibalise the iPhone sales.
Literally the single difference then would be GPS and the physical phone aspect, of which many probably wouldnt be bothered about and would be inclined to just keep seperate.


Yes, this is pretty much what I thought. :mad:
 
Not everyone is inclined to drop a extra grand for dedicated graphics, another 2 inches of screen space, and a metal casing/different keyboard.

and better speakers, and firewire 800, and expresscard, and fullsized dual-link DVI, and a higher resolution screen with matte or glossy option and LED backlighting, and a mutli-touch trackpad, and...

Dude, you buy a MacBook which is a 1000 dollar + laptop and you don't even get a third USB port. Enough said...

Then oh my god, just buy your generic box system and enjoy that 3rd port and multi card reader. I hardly ever use one USB - I mean, I have a keyboard, trackpad, mic and webcam built in, I'll plug an iPod in here and there... external keyboard, mouse and phone syncing and data connection over bluetooth... external HDs over firewire... hmm. I certainly have no need 3rd USB, ymmv clearly...
 
and better speakers, and firewire 800, and expresscard, and fullsized dual-link DVI, and a higher resolution screen with matte or glossy option and LED backlighting, and a mutli-touch trackpad, and...

I think the point was more directed at the fact that the actual differences really between the Macbook and the MBP don't really warrant an extra grand for the average user.
 
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