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Archos 605...Price $379USD...Hard competitor...
  1. No iTunes integration.
  2. Earlier models generated complaints about the interface in reviews I read.
  3. Does it even work with a Macintosh?
  4. Roughly 50% larger and weighs twice as much as the iPhone. It will likely weigh a third or more more then an HDD-equipped iPod in the iPhone's case.
Might not be so hard a competitor, after all.
 
Sorry but a wide screen iPod isn't a technological advancement. Many devices now days have a touch screen. Like I said before in this thread Archos has a DAP with a 4.3 inch touch screen and only cost $349. Apple is going to undercut that.

I believe the iPod Video was priced at $299 when it came out. Don't forget that iPod products share technology which means that Apple can set the price low and at the end they always get their money back. They are a very profitable company since they sell gigantic quantities of the iPods.

It was indeed $299 for the 30GB and $399 for 80GB, because I remember waffling over the price and decided I preferred much, much thinner with somewhat lower battery life for video over $100 more for more storage so bought the 30GB. Then they cut them to $249/$349 with the tiny feature revision last October.

Owning both a video iPod and an iPhone and finding them both useful in a complementary way, I'm beginning to doubt Apple will release a full-sized iPod with iPhone interface this year or even longer. It may be OS X-based, but I doubt the touch interface. First, I love the touch interface for my iPhone, and the more limited amount of media I can carry on it. But I still prefer the click wheel and text-based interface for the 30GB iPod-only iPod. I just think the touch interface is perfect for the iPhone and the click wheel is perfect for the iPod. Apple apparently loves "cover flow" -- it's cute, but I can live without it, surely -- but you can still do that, even on the current screen with a click wheel. Make a wider screen and it's definitely doable, even intuitive, with the click wheel.

Again, having owning both, the only reason I see for a full touch interface for an iPod is if you add WiFi and the networked features of the iPhone (e-mail, Safari, YouTube, widgets, etc.) to the iPod. And I can't image as heavily development invested in iPhone as they are, they'll let you pick up everything but the phone for $299 or so -- $349 being about the highest price point people would tolerate for the new line in the lower capacity model. Without all the extra features, the click wheel is flat better at dealing with large amounts, HDD-sized amounts, of media.

The video-capable nano makes sense, as I can see Apple wanting to sell video via iTunes to as many iPod owners in various models as possible. But I expect to see an enhanced click wheel-based full-sized iPod, probably with a wider screen, possibly OS X-based rather than a phone-less iPhone.

But I do think the days of HDD based iPod are numbered. I've owned iPods since the first day the first one arrived at an Apple Store. The original marketing pitch was "1,000 songs in pocket" -- you know, a lot, but not everyone can fit their whole collection in that. Then as capacities increased and they moved to AAC for equal quality at lower file sizes, the marketing thing became sort of "carry your whole music collection with you everywhere". But now it's not just music, it's media, music *and* video. For many people 80GB won't do it, and even 120GB or 160GB won't leave much room for expansion. And believe me, there is no .5 terabyte iPod coming for quite some time. In fact, in laptops, it's getting hard to store large media collection without moving some of the video off to external hard drive out of iTunes when you don't think you'll want it for a while.

Since the capacity advantage -- when you flat can't make enough capacity for everyone, anyway -- is losing out to battery life, durability and smaller form factors, why keep HDD. (My iPhone, though by necessity longer due to the wide screen, is thinner and less broad the an already quite trim 30GB video iPod. It's smaller overall, and thinner I might have expected, but not entirely smaller.) Not what Apple has done with iTunes for managing media for Apple TV, iPod and iPhone -- the whole paradigm has changed and there are numerous ways to get subsets of your total media collection onto various devices in the easiest way possible allowing manual collection, or more seamlessly with automated filters. I think Apple is admitting that capacity for portable devices will not reliably be able to keep up with the size of rich media collections, that integration with media management software -- always a big deal with iPod -- is the key. So if HDDs are falling behind for devices that are not computers, way switch over to flash memory as soon as you can, increase durability and battery life, make your devices thinner if not smaller, and make up to the capacity loss to your customers with great media management software?
 
  1. No iTunes integration.
  2. Earlier models generated complaints about the interface in reviews I read.
  3. Does it even work with a Macintosh?
  4. Roughly 50% larger and weighs twice as much as the iPhone. It will likely weigh a third or more more then an HDD-equipped iPod in the iPhone's case.
Might not be so hard a competitor, after all.

*does support flash video on the internet
*has higher resolution
*supports more audio/video codecs than iphone
(MPEG-4 (ASP@L5 AVI, up to DVD-quality resolution) WMV (MP@ML, up to DVD-quality resolution) With optional plug-ins (available for purchase at www.archos.com): Video Podcast plug-in: H.264 up to DVD-quality resolution and AAC sound Cinema Plug-in: MPEG-2 MP@ML up to 10 Mbps (up to DVD-quality resolution) and AC3 (5.1) stereo sound Audio play: MP3 stereo decoding @ 30-320 Kbits/sec CBR & VBR, WMA and WMA protected, WAV (PCM/ADPCM) With optional plug-ins (available for purchase at www.archos.com): AAC4 musical files AC3 Stereo sound and 5.1 sound)
* has a good battery life
* has a bigger on-screen keyboard
* can record directly from TV
* has higher capacity than iPhone(upto 160GB even ipod fails here)


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* don't care for iTunes integration, you can always drag and drop ..
* yes earlier models, and it is getting better
* yes it SUPPORTS mac platform
* with higher resolutions and better performance comes bigger form factor, twice iphones weight? who cares ..

but ofcourse it has downsides as well, but it is a very decent device for what it is ..
 
*does support flash video on the internet
*has higher resolution
*supports more audio/video codecs than iphone
(MPEG-4 (ASP@L5 AVI, up to DVD-quality resolution) WMV (MP@ML, up to DVD-quality resolution) With optional plug-ins (available for purchase at www.archos.com): Video Podcast plug-in: H.264 up to DVD-quality resolution and AAC sound Cinema Plug-in: MPEG-2 MP@ML up to 10 Mbps (up to DVD-quality resolution) and AC3 (5.1) stereo sound Audio play: MP3 stereo decoding @ 30-320 Kbits/sec CBR & VBR, WMA and WMA protected, WAV (PCM/ADPCM) With optional plug-ins (available for purchase at www.archos.com): AAC4 musical files AC3 Stereo sound and 5.1 sound)
* has a good battery life
* has a bigger on-screen keyboard
* can record directly from TV
* has higher capacity than iPhone(upto 160GB even ipod fails here)


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* don't care for iTunes integration, you can always drag and drop ..
* yes earlier models, and it is getting better
* yes it SUPPORTS mac platform
* with higher resolutions and better performance comes bigger form factor, twice iphones weight? who cares ..

but ofcourse it has downsides as well, but it is a very decent device for what it is ..

good points, I would defiantly consider getting one except they're just too big for my needs.
 
*does support flash video on the internet
*has higher resolution
*supports more audio/video codecs than iphone
(MPEG-4 (ASP@L5 AVI, up to DVD-quality resolution) WMV (MP@ML, up to DVD-quality resolution) With optional plug-ins (available for purchase at www.archos.com): Video Podcast plug-in: H.264 up to DVD-quality resolution and AAC sound Cinema Plug-in: MPEG-2 MP@ML up to 10 Mbps (up to DVD-quality resolution) and AC3 (5.1) stereo sound Audio play: MP3 stereo decoding @ 30-320 Kbits/sec CBR & VBR, WMA and WMA protected, WAV (PCM/ADPCM) With optional plug-ins (available for purchase at www.archos.com): AAC4 musical files AC3 Stereo sound and 5.1 sound)
* has a good battery life
* has a bigger on-screen keyboard
* can record directly from TV
* has higher capacity than iPhone(upto 160GB even ipod fails here)


-----------------------------------------
* don't care for iTunes integration, you can always drag and drop ..
* yes earlier models, and it is getting better
* yes it SUPPORTS mac platform
* with higher resolutions and better performance comes bigger form factor, twice iphones weight? who cares ..

but ofcourse it has downsides as well, but it is a very decent device for what it is ..

um did you look at the picture of this monster? Trying taking it with you on business trips in your pocket? Probably wouldn't go jogging with one. :D Definitely not a "portable" device at least how I see one to be. But I guess to each their own, I will stick to my portable iPod and leave all that jazz to my laptop.
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I believe the iPod Video was priced at $299 when it came out. Don't forget that iPod products share technology which means that Apple can set the price low and at the end they always get their money back. They are a very profitable company since they sell gigantic quantities of the iPods.

The new 6G iPod video with the full screen display will probably go for US$349 for the 80 GB version and US$399 for the 120 GB version. Apple will NOT try to break the US$400 price barrier for its high-end iPods because of increasing competition from Creative and the much-rumored second-generation Microsoft Zune supposedly due late this year.
 
wifi and bluetooth!


apple is going to let you control your itunes with your ipod... and then when leopard and front row 2 comes out you'll be able to use your ipod as a remote to control that. apple is going to sell bluetooth headphones too, maybe ear phones.
 
If Apple puts WiFi in iPods, I want to be able to stream music between iPods, and hopefully transfer music — though if you can't do it over iTunes, then I doubt you'll be able to do it the way I've just described. They could probably have it so than music transferred wirelessly was deleted when you synced it. Though if they're releasing in a week or so then it's probably a bit late, unless they already did it?*

* :D
 
Don't worry folks. In order to make way for a totally new iPod line Apple is not refilling inventories in stores and letting the stores dry up. Most stores world wide don't have any big iPods or Nanos in stock. By the end of the week getting your hand on a brand new iPod 30GB will be as difficult as finding an unlocked iPhone.

New iPods will be presented next week. Things have never been like this.
 
but of course, (the Archos) has downsides as well, but it is a very decent device for what it is.

Yes it is.


The new 6G iPod video with the full screen display will probably go for US$349 for the 80 GB version and US$399 for the 120 GB version. Apple will NOT try to break the US$400 price barrier for its high-end iPods because of increasing competition from Creative and the much-rumored second-generation Microsoft Zune supposedly due late this year.

Samsung and Toshiba also have new flash players out (with WiFi on Toshiba's):
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/samsungs-p2-and-t10-bluetooth-players-stateside-in-september/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/toshibas-gigabeat-t401-flash-pmc-comes-packin-wifi/
 
Owning both a video iPod and an iPhone and finding them both useful in a complementary way, I'm beginning to doubt Apple will release a full-sized iPod with iPhone interface this year or even longer. It may be OS X-based, but I doubt the touch interface. First, I love the touch interface for my iPhone, and the more limited amount of media I can carry on it. But I still prefer the click wheel and text-based interface for the 30GB iPod-only iPod...

Yes, opinions vary on iPhone touchscreen vs. clickwheel. But keep in mind that the iPhone interface is not the end-all, be-all of Apple touch screen UI. It's a first gen interface that Apple will continually improve on. There's probably a lot more possible with the UI than we seen so far.

To be honest, neither interface is that conducive to me to exercise, driving, etc. which is why I listen to my Shuffle a lot (even though I own a 5G iPod.) That being the case, I think I prefer having the richer touchscreen UI even if it is a little less convenient in certain situations. Plus there is the radio remote anyway.

I think the ultimate ace-in-the-hole is a wifi iPod with Safari, chat, Youtube, etc. that absolutely no one will be able to match (especially Zune), and will require the full screen. But that may be a year away. I do think it's coming at some point.

Either way, can't wait to see what they come out with!
 
I think the ultimate ace-in-the-hole is a wifi iPod with Safari, chat, Youtube, etc. that absolutely no one will be able to match (especially Zune), and will require the full screen. But that may be a year away. I do think it's coming at some point.

I don't think it's a year away. I think it's one week away.

And you're right. That would be the ultimate device. That's why apple is releasing it sooner than later.
 
All of a sudden this seems astonishingly clear to me.

If you need a cell phone, Apple offers the best phone in the world, with Internet, Music, Photos, Movies, and all the other awesome stuff. This is a cell phone, so it has low capacity, has cell phone service, and all the iPod features are a BONUS!!!

If you DON'T need a cell phone, Apple will offer the best mobile media player in the world, focusing on Music, Photos, and Movies, and having Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, safari, and all of that stuff as a BONUS!

If you need a cell phone, the iPod will NOT work for you because it doesn't make phone calls! However, then you get the iPhone and you STILL get the amazing features of the iPod.

And again, if you don't need a cell phone, why should Apple cheat the iPod buyers out of all the other amazing features that they can put in a mobile device?

What will ensure that neither device cannibalizes sales for the other, is the fact that one is a PHONE and the other is NOT.

Apple will put absolutely EVERYTHING in this next iPod, just like they put everything in the iPhone. I'm absolutely sure of it now.
 
^^
Good reasoning. + The iPod also have games and will likely have better iPod functionality than the iPhone. Further more the iPhone isn't sold world wide either.
 
Your logic makes perfect sense to me, as long as the pricing 'fits'. Why deprive everyone who DOESN'T need a phone of the great non-phone features of the iPhone?

Everyone is hoping for new iPods starting at $299. But that could only be for a non-Wifi model. I hope there are wifi models as well with all the bells and whistles, those will start around $400 or so.

All of a sudden this seems astonishingly clear to me.

If you need a cell phone, Apple offers the best phone in the world, with Internet, Music, Photos, Movies, and all the other awesome stuff. This is a cell phone, so it has low capacity, has cell phone service, and all the iPod features are a BONUS!!!

If you DON'T need a cell phone, Apple will offer the best mobile media player in the world, focusing on Music, Photos, and Movies, and having Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, safari, and all of that stuff as a BONUS!

If you need a cell phone, the iPod will NOT work for you because it doesn't make phone calls! However, then you get the iPhone and you STILL get the amazing features of the iPod.

And again, if you don't need a cell phone, why should Apple cheat the iPod buyers out of all the other amazing features that they can put in a mobile device?

What will ensure that neither device cannibalizes sales for the other, is the fact that one is a PHONE and the other is NOT.

Apple will put absolutely EVERYTHING in this next iPod, just like they put everything in the iPhone. I'm absolutely sure of it now.
 
Wohooooooooooooo!!! 3 weeks ago my insurance company gave me a new slip which I should take in to a store get any 30GB+ iPod for $110 dollars as a replacement for my broken iPod Photo 30GB.

Daddy is getting an iPod touch nest week.

Wiiiiiiiiihooooooooooo:D:D:D:D:apple::apple::apple:
 
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