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Don't know anything about new iPod video but I have a new iPod nano - black one, with 16 gigabytes of memory. It really is great, especially Cover Flow.
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You can get nearly everything in Russia if you want to. ;)

hmmmm.....dont know what to say.
i dont really like it if that is indeed the new nano.
 
Don't know anything about new iPod video but I have a new iPod nano - black one, with 16 gigabytes of memory. It really is great, especially Cover Flow.
nano3af7.jpg

You can get nearly everything in Russia if you want to. ;)

? You got any other pics with better resolution or even video?
 
The iPhone has been a great success for Apple and many people are still hungry for one. That shows how desirable a touch screen device is. Further more that is exactly what Apple will implement on the big iPod to attract more customers.

After all, the sales for the big iPod have been plummeting and decreasing ever since the Mini was introduced. Eventhough it has video playback, bigger screen, larger capasity and even a competitive price it has still been heavily out sold by the Nano.

With that being said Apple really needs something to turn the big iPod more attractive to the mass and a touch screen with a unbeatable interface is the answer.
 
Don't really know what are you talking about. It must be real if I can touch it.
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That is an extremely bad photoshop job, nice try though ;)

EDIT: Sorry, I just looked, and you took the iPod and put it in your hand, My B., oh and you forgot to reverse it.
 
Exactly, the full-sized line has been stagnant for awhile. And it just so happens that they already have a new device (iPhone) that everyone is salivating for in an iPod version. What a great coincidence! ;)

The iPhone has been a great success for Apple and many people are still hungry for one. That shows how desirable a touch screen device is. Further more that is exactly what Apple will implement on the big iPod to attract more customers.

After all, the sales for the big iPod have been plummeting and decreasing ever since the Mini was introduced. Eventhough it has video playback, bigger screen, larger capasity and even a competitive price it has still been heavily out sold by the Nano.

With that being said Apple really needs something to turn the big iPod more attractive to the mass and a touch screen with a unbeatable interface is the answer.
 
A step-by-step, (hopefully) logical analysis of the coming Ipods

I think it has been fascinating to watch the evolution of thought on the new Ipod discussion. In the past few days, hundreds of posters have worked out a nice (although not guaranteed) 4 version model and thrown out many other great ideas. In fact, it would be a great source of new information for apple if they were looking for how their products would play outside of the company.

I just want to build on these ideas and go through a quick logical analysis on the product line as it might stand.
(sorry for the length, but there’s a lot to cover)

Assumptions

First, there are some important assumptions that can be helpful in narrowing down the options:
a) Ipod have always gotten unequivocally better than their previous versions. In every new generation, there has Always been models that loose nothing (really significant) from previous models. The only possible exception would be the mini diehards, but the nano proved to be a positive upgrade in all respects, with a smaller size, eventually greater capacity, and better battery life with flash memory. What Apple wants to avoid is making someone want to buy (other than for sentimentality) a previous version, and they have been successful.

b) Because of the above point, they are unlikely to do the following
i. Not include a HDD ipod. The highest conceivable flash-memory based ipod would have 32 gigs, and could pay a premium for that. Many people use up all of their 60 and 80 gig ipods, so not including one of the same or larger size would make a previous generation (and 5.0) superior in a significant way.
ii.Get rid of the small form factor of the nano. Unless the pictures have the scale wrong (maybe the click wheel isn’t the part that stays the same size, but the width, and its just a shorter nano but not wider???), they would be getting rid of the best selling Ipod ever, and not with a compatible version. The nano fills a huge niche: people who want to listen to some (not dozens of gigs) of music. Its cheap, small, and easy, and would remain popular even after it was discontinued. The nano, or some small and cheap heir, must remain.

c) Ignore the niche of the shuffle. It’s cheap, there are some people who love its size and functions, so why get rid of it. I don’t think than anyone is suspecting that, so we have another model.


Models
Let’s regroup. We have, at this point, two models that seem stupid to kill because there is nothing more to add (i.e. a larger screen, or a screen period) that wouldn’t come at the cost of what defines the Nano or shuffle (size, randomness). So we have:

1) SHUFFLE. While they may want to keep from having too many versions (like sandisk or creative, that make things complicated), there is no reason not to add a 4gb version, keep the 2gb version, and maybe have a 1gb version, with a subsequent price shift. Other devices are catching up and are cheaper, so apple may have to pull some muscle here.

2) NANO. While its hard to see them discontinuing it, it is also difficult to predict what they will do to differentiate it. Video (on the current sized pod) seems pointless (especially if the stubby comes to pass), and while a 16 gb version may be in the works, one would expect something more. Shorter pod? Longer screen? It’s impossible to tell without knowing the other models (or having a source).

3) TOUCH/WIDESCREEN. The current ipod video is primarily 2 years old. While a stubby (get to that later) could be in the works, that would be a pathetic upgrade to span 3 years of ipods, and by next fall, Apple would be significantly behind other companies. WI-FI would be nearly pointless (read Zune) on a click-wheel/small screen ipod, and so (baring Apple coming up with a new technology completely, like mind reading) widescreen is all that is left. While one could still use a click wheel, WHY would Apple abandon OS X , coverflow, and such when they already have the technology. A widescreen Ipod is a MUST from a commercial/technological standpoint, and we’ve seen them do it.

---Also, this is likely where a HDD would come in. While a “stubby” could have a hard drive, the primary use for the larger hard drives would be to include some video, which would go perfectly with a widescreen. Maybe they’ll have flash for frequently played songs (or loading current playlists before turning off the hard drive temporarily), and maybe they’ll have a flash-only version (although that could be too many models for Apple), but you can bet on a Widescreen, hard drive ipod with multi-touch.

---Wi-FI? I would love it, as my home and work all have WI-FI, so I could always be connected. This has been a hotly debated topic, and it is hard to predict with the Iphone in the mix. That said, it was ApplePi at Appleinsider that made the most compelling argument. If the video has a Hard Drive (or at least 16 or 32 gigs of Flash) as it must for a video niche device, than it would far surpass the iphone in that regard. While some people would likely buy both, it is hard to see the iphone taking second place to an ipod at this time, as the ipod would only be lacking phone capability. Remember the January Keynote when Steve said there were three devices, for now, I think we can expect the Ipod (although we can still hope) to stay in its niche and let the iphone take all three. In a year or so, things may be different. Hopefully, even without internet and mail, the ipod will have calendar and pda capabilities (and why not?, its only software), as it will certainly have photos. It would, however, be interesting to see with AppleTV.

---If we’re lucky, though, it could have Bluetooth for synching to computers, each other, and most of all, headphones. This could open hacking for browsing the internet through ones Bluetooth enabled computer (many PDAs do this). The downside: its slow (although they used EDGE).

---Screen and size. Without the need for a microphone or earpiece built in, it could retain a 320:480 screen with a shorter form factor, or, if we’re really lucky, go wider (for true 16:9, although that seems like a longshot).

4) NEW NANO/STUBBY/MINI?. Here is where it gets a bit tricky. Without knowing prices for the new Nano and Touch, it is hard to know if there is room for something inbetween. What IS promising, however, is that while the 3 above models have logic behind them, the newest device is the one that has been getting the most rumors (and fake pictures), surpassing even the touch. While it doesn’t fit a random/small/video nitch of the other three models, Apple could add it between a $200 8gb Nano and $350/$400 Touch. If the top Nano is $250 and the Touch is $299, then there is much less room for another device. Shrinking the video ipod, however, could be easy, cheap, and compete against devices in that niche (while the Touch has the premium slot all to its own). If it IS flash, it could be much thinner (there have been pictures), which wouldn’t make it seem so obese but more like a thin but wide card.


Caveats
While these above products seem logical, there are a few important caveats:
i) Apple may work on the best technologies it can and see how they come together, rather than pre-planning everything.
ii) Apple’s AT&T agreement could throw a wrench into everything, but don’t bet on apple being that stupid.
iii) Apple has, in the past, kept down the number of specific models. There are, at the moment, 2 video ipods, 3 nanos, and a shuffle. We could see 2 touch ipods, 2 video ipods, 2/3 nanos, and 2 shuffles. On the other hand, the market and technology has only grown, and as apple can outcompete others directly, they may opt for more models.
iv) Apple has shown itself to have many tricks up its sleeve. We could still be in for a WOW display (but seriously, don’t expect the iphone nano). Expect SOMETHING that no one has mentioned on this board.
v) Apple may not be too hesitant to steal market share from itself. While its contract with AT&T may bind it somewhat, the real bottom line is profit, not units sold. It has been calculated that the iphone costs less to build than 50% of its sales price, plus the money in a 2-year cellular data contract. If it comes up with a stubby ipod, than it could make a more expensive ($400?) ipod touch with WI-FI, cover the entire spectrum of the market, and only bring in more money. It seems more likely, however, that they will leave out the WI-FI, lower the price and profit margin per unit but selling many more units ($299 is much easier to sell than $399) and leave the iphone for those willing to give Apple really sick profits (thats what you get when you have a monopoly of that power.



Well, I guess I ranted for a while, but It helped me make sense of all of the rumors that I’ve been hearing, so score one for sanity. I’ve been waiting for an ipod forever (I’ve used a PDA), and haven’t wanted to get something (5.5g) that will soon be out of date (although if they release ipod Wi-FI next year, I’ll be annoyed). I’d love it to be Sept. 5, and while the store stocking reports hint towards that, Apple has yet to mention anything other than the Paris expo, and we are all probably a little biased (and very impatient) for an earlier release dade.

I’d just like to thank everyone on this (and a few other boards), because most of what I’ve written above (and all of the good stuff) came from many others debating this. I just like lists, and I’d like nothing better than being able to scroll through my music lists with muti-touch and coverflow within a couple of weeks.
 
I think it has been fascinating to watch the evolution of thought on the new Ipod discussion. In the past few days, hundreds of posters have worked out a nice (although not guaranteed) 4 version model and thrown out many other great ideas. In fact, it would be a great source of new information for apple if they were looking for how their products would play outside of the company.

I just want to build on these ideas and go through a quick logical analysis on the product line as it might stand.
(sorry for the length, but there’s a lot to cover)

Assumptions

First, there are some important assumptions that can be helpful in narrowing down the options:
a) Ipod have always gotten unequivocally better than their previous versions. In every new generation, there has Always been models that loose nothing (really significant) from previous models. The only possible exception would be the mini diehards, but the nano proved to be a positive upgrade in all respects, with a smaller size, eventually greater capacity, and better battery life with flash memory. What Apple wants to avoid is making someone want to buy (other than for sentimentality) a previous version, and they have been successful.

b) Because of the above point, they are unlikely to do the following
i. Not include a HDD ipod. The highest conceivable flash-memory based ipod would have 32 gigs, and could pay a premium for that. Many people use up all of their 60 and 80 gig ipods, so not including one of the same or larger size would make a previous generation (and 5.0) superior in a significant way.
ii.Get rid of the small form factor of the nano. Unless the pictures have the scale wrong (maybe the click wheel isn’t the part that stays the same size, but the width, and its just a shorter nano but not wider???), they would be getting rid of the best selling Ipod ever, and not with a compatible version. The nano fills a huge niche: people who want to listen to some (not dozens of gigs) of music. Its cheap, small, and easy, and would remain popular even after it was discontinued. The nano, or some small and cheap heir, must remain.

c) Ignore the niche of the shuffle. It’s cheap, there are some people who love its size and functions, so why get rid of it. I don’t think than anyone is suspecting that, so we have another model.


Models
Let’s regroup. We have, at this point, two models that seem stupid to kill because there is nothing more to add (i.e. a larger screen, or a screen period) that wouldn’t come at the cost of what defines the Nano or shuffle (size, randomness). So we have:

1) SHUFFLE. While they may want to keep from having too many versions (like sandisk or creative, that make things complicated), there is no reason not to add a 4gb version, keep the 2gb version, and maybe have a 1gb version, with a subsequent price shift. Other devices are catching up and are cheaper, so apple may have to pull some muscle here.

2) NANO. While its hard to see them discontinuing it, it is also difficult to predict what they will do to differentiate it. Video (on the current sized pod) seems pointless (especially if the stubby comes to pass), and while a 16 gb version may be in the works, one would expect something more. Shorter pod? Longer screen? It’s impossible to tell without knowing the other models (or having a source).

3) TOUCH/WIDESCREEN. The current ipod video is primarily 2 years old. While a stubby (get to that later) could be in the works, that would be a pathetic upgrade to span 3 years of ipods, and by next fall, Apple would be significantly behind other companies. WI-FI would be nearly pointless (read Zune) on a click-wheel/small screen ipod, and so (baring Apple coming up with a new technology completely, like mind reading) widescreen is all that is left. While one could still use a click wheel, WHY would Apple abandon OS X , coverflow, and such when they already have the technology. A widescreen Ipod is a MUST from a commercial/technological standpoint, and we’ve seen them do it.

---Also, this is likely where a HDD would come in. While a “stubby” could have a hard drive, the primary use for the larger hard drives would be to include some video, which would go perfectly with a widescreen. Maybe they’ll have flash for frequently played songs (or loading current playlists before turning off the hard drive temporarily), and maybe they’ll have a flash-only version (although that could be too many models for Apple), but you can bet on a Widescreen, hard drive ipod with multi-touch.

---Wi-FI? I would love it, as my home and work all have WI-FI, so I could always be connected. This has been a hotly debated topic, and it is hard to predict with the Iphone in the mix. That said, it was ApplePi at Appleinsider that made the most compelling argument. If the video has a Hard Drive (or at least 16 or 32 gigs of Flash) as it must for a video niche device, than it would far surpass the iphone in that regard. While some people would likely buy both, it is hard to see the iphone taking second place to an ipod at this time, as the ipod would only be lacking phone capability. Remember the January Keynote when Steve said there were three devices, for now, I think we can expect the Ipod (although we can still hope) to stay in its niche and let the iphone take all three. In a year or so, things may be different. Hopefully, even without internet and mail, the ipod will have calendar and pda capabilities (and why not?, its only software), as it will certainly have photos. It would, however, be interesting to see with AppleTV.

---If we’re lucky, though, it could have Bluetooth for synching to computers, each other, and most of all, headphones. This could open hacking for browsing the internet through ones Bluetooth enabled computer (many PDAs do this). The downside: its slow (although they used EDGE).

---Screen and size. Without the need for a microphone or earpiece built in, it could retain a 320:480 screen with a shorter form factor, or, if we’re really lucky, go wider (for true 16:9, although that seems like a longshot).

4) NEW NANO/STUBBY/MINI?. Here is where it gets a bit tricky. Without knowing prices for the new Nano and Touch, it is hard to know if there is room for something inbetween. What IS promising, however, is that while the 3 above models have logic behind them, the newest device is the one that has been getting the most rumors (and fake pictures), surpassing even the touch. While it doesn’t fit a random/small/video nitch of the other three models, Apple could add it between a $200 8gb Nano and $350/$400 Touch. If the top Nano is $250 and the Touch is $299, then there is much less room for another device. Shrinking the video ipod, however, could be easy, cheap, and compete against devices in that niche (while the Touch has the premium slot all to its own). If it IS flash, it could be much thinner (there have been pictures), which wouldn’t make it seem so obese but more like a thin but wide card.


Caveats
While these above products seem logical, there are a few important caveats:
i) Apple may work on the best technologies it can and see how they come together, rather than pre-planning everything.
ii) Apple’s AT&T agreement could throw a wrench into everything, but don’t bet on apple being that stupid.
iii) Apple has, in the past, kept down the number of specific models. There are, at the moment, 2 video ipods, 3 nanos, and a shuffle. We could see 2 touch ipods, 2 video ipods, 2/3 nanos, and 2 shuffles. On the other hand, the market and technology has only grown, and as apple can outcompete others directly, they may opt for more models.
iv) Apple has shown itself to have many tricks up its sleeve. We could still be in for a WOW display (but seriously, don’t expect the iphone nano). Expect SOMETHING that no one has mentioned on this board.
v) Apple may not be too hesitant to steal market share from itself. While its contract with AT&T may bind it somewhat, the real bottom line is profit, not units sold. It has been calculated that the iphone costs less to build than 50% of its sales price, plus the money in a 2-year cellular data contract. If it comes up with a stubby ipod, than it could make a more expensive ($400?) ipod touch with WI-FI, cover the entire spectrum of the market, and only bring in more money. It seems more likely, however, that they will leave out the WI-FI, lower the price and profit margin per unit but selling many more units ($299 is much easier to sell than $399) and leave the iphone for those willing to give Apple really sick profits (thats what you get when you have a monopoly of that power.



Well, I guess I ranted for a while, but It helped me make sense of all of the rumors that I’ve been hearing, so score one for sanity. I’ve been waiting for an ipod forever (I’ve used a PDA), and haven’t wanted to get something (5.5g) that will soon be out of date (although if they release ipod Wi-FI next year, I’ll be annoyed). I’d love it to be Sept. 5, and while the store stocking reports hint towards that, Apple has yet to mention anything other than the Paris expo, and we are all probably a little biased (and very impatient) for an earlier release dade.

I’d just like to thank everyone on this (and a few other boards), because most of what I’ve written above (and all of the good stuff) came from many others debating this. I just like lists, and I’d like nothing better than being able to scroll through my music lists with muti-touch and coverflow within a couple of weeks.

Perfect.

I just have to add one thing. Every time Apple released a significant upgrade to the iPod, it was always $499 and $599. Remember the iPod Photo? They kept the 4G iPods selling at $299 and $399, and added the two color ipods at $499 and $599.

I think that if they release a new version of 2.5" screen click wheel iPods, than those will remain at their current price points, and the widescreen iPods will be at least $449 and $549.
 
Might as well make it expensive. If it is a widescreen touch you can fleece all the people for what is quite the shift and a big change in the line. Sucks though cause I couldnt get one :(
 
I'm ready for a 4" Touch screen iPod with a 160GB hard drive, Safari, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth.

I'm willing to pay up to $649.

Bring it on Apple!!!
 
Perfect.

I just have to add one thing. Every time Apple released a significant upgrade to the iPod, it was always $499 and $599. Remember the iPod Photo? They kept the 4G iPods selling at $299 and $399, and added the two color ipods at $499 and $599.

I think that if they release a new version of 2.5" screen click wheel iPods, than those will remain at their current price points, and the widescreen iPods will be at least $449 and $549.

There's no chance the iPod touch will be that expensive. Today $449 and $549 are unreasonable pricing for a DAP.

Neither Creative nor Archos are selling their 4.3 inch touch screen PMPs for those sums.

The iPod photo was expensive because it was more or less the first DAP on the market with a colour screen. An iPod with a touch screen will on the other hand not chock anyone because touch screens have been on the market for quite some years now.

$299 and $399 is what I'm expecting.
 
There's no chance the iPod touch will be that expensive. Today $449 and $549 are unreasonable pricing for a DAP.

Neither Creative nor Archos are selling their 4.3 inch touch screen PMPs for those sums.

The iPod photo was expensive because it was more or less the first DAP on the market with a colour screen. An iPod with a touch screen will on the other hand not chock anyone because touch screens have been on the market for quite some years now.

$299 and $399 is what I'm expecting.

Well I like your numbers a lot better
 
Like them all you want. With what Apple is gonna do with this iPod, it's gonna be at least $449 and $549.

Can't see what makes you believe that. The latest iPods have in more or less all cases always had a price advantage over the competitors. Heck even Archos is selling a DAP with a 4.3 inch touch screen and WiFi for $350.

So I don't really know how you come up with the $449 and $549 figures. There is really nothing that would justify a iPod priced like that unless it has a 64GB flash drive or come bundled with a bluray driver.
 
If wifi, Safari, etc. are added, then I agree the price points will be higher than say $299 and $399.

$399 would be nice price point to hit for a 30GB wifi-enabled iPod Touch, $499 for a 80GB or 120GB version. I think 80GB is still enough for 99% of customers, vs. 120GB in a somewhat thicker, more expensive unit.

But then it's really got to do almost everything the iPhone does, besides the phone and maybe the camera.

Like them all you want. With what Apple is gonna do with this iPod, it's gonna be at least $449 and $549.
 
to give Apple really sick profits (thats what you get when you have a monopoly of that power.

Ah so someone here finally admits that Apple is an evil monopolistic company. :D In many respects they make Microsoft look like an open-source advocate! I am waiting for the Justice Department and the EU to demand the unbundling of iTunes from the iPod to allow open use of the iPod. ;-P
 
I just somehow doubt that Apple will neglect all the consumers who are willing to pay over $500 for a device that has a large HDD as well as wireless capabilities.
 
If wifi, Safari, etc. are added, then I agree the price points will be higher than say $299 and $399.


People are really getting ahead of themselves with Safari. That's really nothing we will see in the iPod in the next year. Video is the next revolution and Safari doesn't really add anything to the iPod experience especially when barely anyone has access to Wifi when they are sitting on the bus or are on the move.

Safari is at the moment pretty useless in a WiFi iPod.

I just somehow doubt that Apple will neglect all the consumers who are willing to pay over $500 for a device that has a large HDD as well as wireless capabilities.

Ermmm Apple would actually make less money if they over charged for an iPod because less people would buy it and choose what the competitors are offering for much less money.

Even though a percentage a people would consider buying a $500 DAP it doesn't mean that they want to. People want value and at the moment there is barely nothing that Apple could add to an iPod except phone capabilities to make it worth $500.

Apple sell products to the masses and $500 is at the moment waaaaaay more than what many DAP are priced at. Apple want to make money and not turn their back to customers by over charging.
 
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