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iPod touch Released
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Hours and hours of music is probably accurate-- even with iTunes Plus you're only looking at 10MB per 5 minute song.
20-30 movies is just absurd though... An iTunes downloaded movie is 1.4GB (Ronin). My own rips are 1.5GB. That's 10 movies if I carry nothing else.
And I do want to carry other things. Music being one, but pictures being another.
That's the main problem with your assertion: the "as well as". I can carry enough video for a trip, or enough music, or the pictures I want to share, but probably no two of those and certainly not all three.
(In a musical tone) You're.....wrong! Wrong! Wrong...w-r-o-n-g...WRONG!
Sure, the iTunes store movies are bigger files...but who actually buys movies from there? The ones you rip DO NOT have to be 1.5GB. I just ripped my Clerks II DVD and it was only 600MB. With Handbrake, which I suggest you download, you can pick how big the file is. I dont need DVD quality bc the screen is only 480 x 320 (i think). You can adjust the settings in Handbrake for a 480 x 320 video, therefore making the file SMALLER.
...you're welcome.
I'm sure apple know excactly what they are doing. Market research would probaly have told them 16GB is perfect for say 95% of people. After all the Nano is the world's biggest selling MP3 palyer and that doesn't have 100s of GB.
I suspect as this is a mac forum that some people here are 'power users' who would fill 1000GB or more but I woudl guess most of us would be fine with 16GB.
Personally I would take 16GB or relaible solid state memory compared to 100GB of fragile hard drive storage.
I suspect as this is a mac forum that some people here are 'power users' who would fill 1000GB or more but I woudl guess most of us would be fine with 16GB.
Personally I would take 16GB or relaible solid state memory compared to 100GB of fragile hard drive storage.
That's just rich. So, you're actually saying Apple has designed a video iPod whose capacity requires you circumvent their own movie retail service?
Let me get this straight. Are you here trying to DEFEND Apple?
So, what you're saying is that Apple's market research has been wrong for the past 6 years, during which it recommended continuing to pursue larger storage, and now it finally saw the light of day?
About time. Maybe after 6 years, they can finally make the iPod a marketing success... by making it smaller.
Maybe you would. No one wants you to not have that option. You (and Apple) evidently want people with the desire for a larger drive even if it's more fragile/bulkier/more consuming to not have theirs. Maybe you own Apple stock and have the same interest as they do in exploiting the early adopters, glam-junkies, and frugal-iPhone-envious.
Look, the whole "Who needs that much space? All you have to do is learn to edit and continually sync" or the almost as popular "Small is the right choice, since the Nano is Apple's biggest success story" BS can be easily disproven. All we have to do is wait for sales figures. If you subscribers of those ideas are right, then evidently, they'll sell a massively larger amount of 8GB than of 16GB, right? I mean, why would you need to pay $100 for the extra 8GB when all you have to do is self-edit ad snc every friggin' day? Must be why they're discontinuing the 8GB iPhone instead of the 4GB. Oh, wait...
Apple (if not invented) popularised Mp3 players and no one knew what people would want as it was a knew market. Obviously more memory the better but most people (and I'm sure there are stats somewhere are happy with 4,8, 16 GB). You don't develop a product without knowing what your market wants first.
Yes, I am totally defending Apple by telling you NOT to buy their iTunes Store movies and just rip your own DVD's using Handbrake. Come on, man. I am just saying you can basically double your amount of feature length film on the touch by making the file smaller. I am still mad they didnt make it at least 30GB but its not the end of the world for me. The videos will still look crystal clear. At least they do on my friend from student government's iPhone. Half the size of the file, same movie. BAM!
I personally think the touch is big enough for me at 8GB. My 4GB nano is less than 2/3 full. I buying this touchy thing as soon as I have the money.
Did Apple develop the iPhone knowing their market wanted a $600 phone, or a $400 phone?
a Million people were prepared to pay 600 for it so apple know there next model could fill this spot.I reckon theyt know that the touch will canibilise sales so they have to reduce it. The phone market is more dynamic with loits of fast moving competition and they are new to it too.
It's not the end of the world for anybody. I'll just keep my money in my pocket and wait for the 128GB around 2009 sometime. Me and tons of other people who will be spending their cash elsewhere when they were primed to spend it with Apple.
I just don't get all the people here trying to convince me and tons of other people that we're just whiners and Apple has done it right for all of us. If it's right for you, knock yourself out. If it's not right for me, let me come here and express my disappointment, hoping with lots more people doing the same they'll see that as a sign the market wants something different.
I just find it funny that all the people who say you don't need a lot of space also say they can't wait to buy their 16s instead of their 8s, and that they all end their posts that claim anyone saying this isn't perfect is a whiner by saying "if only they had included Mail there so I wouldn't have to use webmail."
Right. Exploiting the early adopters. Exactly the point of not jumping on a substandard iPod being branded as top-of-the-line. Or do you think they didn't know when they launched the iPhone that the Touch was right around the corner, with price points defined? These things don't get developed in a matter of weeks.
iPod Touch. For non-iTunes users everywhere.
So, the way to make this a decent device for storing video is to circumvent their content retail store? And that's good business how?
I'm not calling anybody a whiner. I had high expectations too. I was just trying to let him know that you can make your movies smaller using Handbrake. I went with the 16gb so that i wont regret it down the line in case my
collection gets really big.
Well, that's what the iPod classic is for. 80GB/160B of storage for videos and music!
On a personal note, so I don't have to double post...
I'm personally going for the Touch, I've always used 4 GB Nano's but now my music collection is getting pretty big, just big enough for perhaps the 8GB version, I've been thinking about it and with all it's extra features it must be mine, mwahaha!
I assume your movie rips are at high resolution for ATV or something like that. In that case, yeah, 16GB isn't enough unless you want to downconvert or re-rip.
I rip at 480 x 320 at 500 kbps in H.264, and the video looks very good. That results in movies that are about 500 to 600 MB in size. In that case, you can have 12 or 15 movies, and still have half your storage left for music.
I rip at 480 x 320 at 500 kbps in H.264, and the video looks very good. That results in movies that are about 500 to 600 MB in size. In that case, you can have 12 or 15 movies, and still have half your storage left for music.
I'm trying to figure out what the musical tone thing means... Does it mean you're kidding or you're trying to be maximally offensive, or what?
Anyway, suggesting you don't use Apple's encoding as a reference is kind of bizarre. I'm sure that's what Apple uses for their internal estimates. As far as what I rip myself, I think you're wrong, wrong, wrong, on the bit about only being half the file size-- it would be one and a half times the file size because now I need one version I can view full screen on a display and one version that's small enough to tote on my iPod.
You may enjoy spending your time ripping and reripping content and manually managing you music selection, but I'd rather do something productive with that time.
Have you looked at the shock specs on a 1.8" hard drive? It'll survive 500Gs while operating (for reference: you won't).
I'd like to apologize. I didnt know you liked to watch the dvd's you rip ON your Mac. I was under the impression that you rip them only for the ipod. Do you leave the full screen file on your Mac or do you burn them to DVD? (if its not your DVD)
hmmm. Stats that are good to know! Looks like the 16GB will work right for me!