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iPod Video Photo - a Fake
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Moi said:
You know...I could just as easily take the leaked video and cut it up into sections like that in iMovie. Start a new clip at each scene and throw it all together as if I did it, copy some clips and trash them to fill up the can. If I really cared I could duplicate his screenshot of iMovie.
Just a thought, not trying to defend anything either way. Personally I'd like to see the .psd file of the original leaked image.
One thing that y'all haven't mentioned
Very interesting topic BTW. I didn't know that a new iPod was coming out tomorrow.
Anyway, the most peculiar thing about the video is when he actually writes out the Chinese characters.
Maybe his computer hiccuped or something, but the characters draw themselves before he gets to make the mark.
It is difficult to understand what I am trying to say, but go rewatch the video.
When he starts writing the Chinese characters, pay careful attention. It looks funny.
Very interesting topic BTW. I didn't know that a new iPod was coming out tomorrow.
Anyway, the most peculiar thing about the video is when he actually writes out the Chinese characters.
Maybe his computer hiccuped or something, but the characters draw themselves before he gets to make the mark.
It is difficult to understand what I am trying to say, but go rewatch the video.
When he starts writing the Chinese characters, pay careful attention. It looks funny.
Ledatru said:
I saw that too, well actually my brother pointed it out first then I thumbed through the movie frame by frame at that section. I dunno what to think of it.
I love how the hoaxer zoomed in on two specific MacRumors posts in the video... one at the beginning and one at the end. If you didn't slow it down and read, you're missing some of the cheeky-ness of this guy...
Beginning: "If its a fake then I want to know who photoshopped it so I can hire them to touch up some photos for me! *posts 5G iPod on craigslist* - Kingsly
and...
Ending: "If this turns out to be fake then the person who started this whole thing must be laughing his arse off." - motulist
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Also, I believe that with this level of "Mac-Community-You've-been-Punk'd", I believe we'll start seeing some more elaborate fakes and hoaxs, followed up by even better videos of how it was all put together.
Beginning: "If its a fake then I want to know who photoshopped it so I can hire them to touch up some photos for me! *posts 5G iPod on craigslist* - Kingsly
and...
Ending: "If this turns out to be fake then the person who started this whole thing must be laughing his arse off." - motulist
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Also, I believe that with this level of "Mac-Community-You've-been-Punk'd", I believe we'll start seeing some more elaborate fakes and hoaxs, followed up by even better videos of how it was all put together.
I called it!
Yep. I was one of the naysayers back on the other thread (search "HOAX" under that one and you'll find me) -- my main problem was with the Video test. my opinion was that this guy was lazy and didn't want to come up with an appropriate ipod interface (however, the easiest thing would've been to do a movie screen shot.)
but one GLARING mistake that I missed and apparently EVERYONE has too (well, I didn't go through all 1500 posts to see so tell me if I'm wrong) -- but did anyone else noticed just how OFF-CENTERED the USB connector is. As we have seen since the beginning of the wide-flat connector, they've always been PERFECTLY CENTERED.
Yep. I was one of the naysayers back on the other thread (search "HOAX" under that one and you'll find me) -- my main problem was with the Video test. my opinion was that this guy was lazy and didn't want to come up with an appropriate ipod interface (however, the easiest thing would've been to do a movie screen shot.)
but one GLARING mistake that I missed and apparently EVERYONE has too (well, I didn't go through all 1500 posts to see so tell me if I'm wrong) -- but did anyone else noticed just how OFF-CENTERED the USB connector is. As we have seen since the beginning of the wide-flat connector, they've always been PERFECTLY CENTERED.
Ugh
Ok, MR killed one of my posts again because of the whole automatic logout timer thing. Grr. Oh well, at least my thoughts are organized.
Once again, there is a split here. Is the video a documentation of HOW the original hoax photo was made, by the same guy and all that, or is it a FAKE in itself - this seems to be the split here, and, once again, people believing one way or another. It's not a matter of faith, dammit! Lol.
Recently there has also been an Apple coverup theory. Reminder to the geeks posting here - we are like what, 200 people? Do we matter? It's a coupla days till the event and it matters if a buncha geeks might be onto you? It's a waste of time just to care about us. There is no conspiracy, unless Jobs could find a way to weave all this drama into a keynote and use it as light humor to introduce the product. But you know what? In your dreams!
Anyway, is it an honest solution to the puzzle or a fake altogether, this video? To be honest I've only shuffled through it a couple of times, yet I saw there are discrepancies galore - no 7, different handwriting, different wrinkles in the paper, etc etc. A lot of this is rather unnatural. A hoaxer has no need to make a video to prove it's fake, he just has to come forward with some other proof, if he wanted to come forward - no need to tape his original hoaxing, no need to do a remake. No need to write a new sticker. No need to use different wrapping. No need to get the colors any different. And on and on. No need to announce anything until 10 min before the Apple event. Very unnatural to have this video now, even for a fake documentation, since it's a bit too early and the arguing might subside again.
Personally, I feel somebody was reading this or a similar forum and incorporated the ideas to make a fake documentary. Why? Because it's tailored to us. Plain and simple. It would have been more natural for there to be some tricks that the original hoaxer used that were not guessed AND could be verified. Yet ironically, I get the feeling that missing the 7 and other such simple mistakes are a sign that this video was done fairly quickly, and released in a hurry, to be too early.
On the other hand, perhaps this video was not actually intended to trick anybody, but to say, "hey, this is how easily you can make that sorta image". I lean towards this idea because the video started with a long set of images from forums, largely MR's, much like a spectator to the arguing going on might see, and the rest of the video is a reaction to that. Ultimately, that's my gut feeling, but out of context the movie could mean a lot of things, since the first few images can be interpreted in a number of ways.
We already pretty much know there will be no new iPod tuesday, IF that rumor about the mac mini intel and the ipod hifi is to be taken as truth (not saying you should, but that seems rather realistic).
At the end of the day, that Chinese labeling being wrong is what makes the original come off as fake for me, and in my mind the probability of a hoax is high (consider the format being so similar to the real 5G leak; that's the same thinking as the video is to the hoax 6g photo). Others have issues with the photoshopping. Or...what was the third one? Oh well. you get my drift. There are some pretty solid details that point in all probability to the original being false, and in the sense that the recent video took a lot of these into account, the video also is voting fake.
But it's not a matter of democracy either. I've presented my argument, which holds, video or no video. I hope it's not real, and Apple will improve it first.
Ok, MR killed one of my posts again because of the whole automatic logout timer thing. Grr. Oh well, at least my thoughts are organized.
Once again, there is a split here. Is the video a documentation of HOW the original hoax photo was made, by the same guy and all that, or is it a FAKE in itself - this seems to be the split here, and, once again, people believing one way or another. It's not a matter of faith, dammit! Lol.
Recently there has also been an Apple coverup theory. Reminder to the geeks posting here - we are like what, 200 people? Do we matter? It's a coupla days till the event and it matters if a buncha geeks might be onto you? It's a waste of time just to care about us. There is no conspiracy, unless Jobs could find a way to weave all this drama into a keynote and use it as light humor to introduce the product. But you know what? In your dreams!
Anyway, is it an honest solution to the puzzle or a fake altogether, this video? To be honest I've only shuffled through it a couple of times, yet I saw there are discrepancies galore - no 7, different handwriting, different wrinkles in the paper, etc etc. A lot of this is rather unnatural. A hoaxer has no need to make a video to prove it's fake, he just has to come forward with some other proof, if he wanted to come forward - no need to tape his original hoaxing, no need to do a remake. No need to write a new sticker. No need to use different wrapping. No need to get the colors any different. And on and on. No need to announce anything until 10 min before the Apple event. Very unnatural to have this video now, even for a fake documentation, since it's a bit too early and the arguing might subside again.
Personally, I feel somebody was reading this or a similar forum and incorporated the ideas to make a fake documentary. Why? Because it's tailored to us. Plain and simple. It would have been more natural for there to be some tricks that the original hoaxer used that were not guessed AND could be verified. Yet ironically, I get the feeling that missing the 7 and other such simple mistakes are a sign that this video was done fairly quickly, and released in a hurry, to be too early.
On the other hand, perhaps this video was not actually intended to trick anybody, but to say, "hey, this is how easily you can make that sorta image". I lean towards this idea because the video started with a long set of images from forums, largely MR's, much like a spectator to the arguing going on might see, and the rest of the video is a reaction to that. Ultimately, that's my gut feeling, but out of context the movie could mean a lot of things, since the first few images can be interpreted in a number of ways.
We already pretty much know there will be no new iPod tuesday, IF that rumor about the mac mini intel and the ipod hifi is to be taken as truth (not saying you should, but that seems rather realistic).
At the end of the day, that Chinese labeling being wrong is what makes the original come off as fake for me, and in my mind the probability of a hoax is high (consider the format being so similar to the real 5G leak; that's the same thinking as the video is to the hoax 6g photo). Others have issues with the photoshopping. Or...what was the third one? Oh well. you get my drift. There are some pretty solid details that point in all probability to the original being false, and in the sense that the recent video took a lot of these into account, the video also is voting fake.
But it's not a matter of democracy either. I've presented my argument, which holds, video or no video. I hope it's not real, and Apple will improve it first.
It's probably been said before but it bears repeating.
Anonymity makes sense when you're leaking a photo of an unreleased (and highly secretive) product. It is not unusual that no-one takes credit for that pic.
If I were debunking a fraud or revealing a hoax (an incredibly popular one at that), I would think I'd like the spotlight to be fixed right on me. Anonymity is not in the interest of the person who reveals the fake. That is, unless the party revealing the fake has zero credibility or alternate interests...
This is beginning to sound like an old episode of the X-Files.
I'm going back to bed, see y'all tomorrow.
Anonymity makes sense when you're leaking a photo of an unreleased (and highly secretive) product. It is not unusual that no-one takes credit for that pic.
If I were debunking a fraud or revealing a hoax (an incredibly popular one at that), I would think I'd like the spotlight to be fixed right on me. Anonymity is not in the interest of the person who reveals the fake. That is, unless the party revealing the fake has zero credibility or alternate interests...
This is beginning to sound like an old episode of the X-Files.
I'm going back to bed, see y'all tomorrow.
JGowan said:
iMeowbot said:
Give me a break. You make it sound like Apple changed the placement with the Nano. BS. The 5G iPod is centered and they will continue to be, in my opinion. What I'm saying is that it's more plausible that the connector would be centered than not and that should've been a bigger indicator to people of the hoax we were looking at.
socamx said:
Sure you could have done that. But you didn't!
And the user arneblk postet another genuine picture:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1218/albumpic20su.jpg
800 x 600 pixel. Obviously a larger resolution than the movie. Obviously arneblk is the author. Let us salute him.
Tyler_D said:
Didn't feel like muking around that original thread...different language isn't my kinda thing. Seeing that picture seals the deal for me, completely convinced the original photo is a fake now (unless someone of course can prove that big photo a hoax, but don't bother...it isn't). Should just let this die now and wait till tomorrow's offerings.
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iMeowbot said:Right. I totally made that up.
Haha nice one. That snap-back gave me a good laugh.
socamx said:
Ditto here!
Actually making the "making of" video is probably easier then actually creating the fake photo.
Some people have WAYYYYYYY too much time on their hands!
No, Apple's design team is this consistent and minimalistTempletalker said:
The image is plausible BECAUSE it doesn't look too different from other iPods. That's why the nano shares the 5G's style, and the MacBook Pro shares the PowerBook's style. And simplicity is king. Change comes, but not EVERY time.Which of course hides the fact that no repeated filter would ever produce a realistic photographic moirejnasato said:
(Silly, since the video hoaxer COULD have created a moire easily by photographing the image off his Mac.)So now we have hoax posts falsely claiming credit for hoax videos falsely claiming credit for (possible) hoax photos falsely claiming to be real Apple products.MrCrowbar said:
OK, I'll add to the web of lies: I am MrCrowbar
Nobody doesLedatru said:
Even if this is REAL it may not come out tomorrow. Something "fun" is all we've been told about Tuesday. Which makes me think the long-rumored "Numbers" spreadsheet is about to arrive!Well, Apple DID change the placement on the nano... but the connector on the alleged spy photo is NOT off center anywayJGowan said:
The tape on it sticks way up off center, but the white connector itself is no more off center than would be expected from perspective. And that makes sense: real or fake, it IS a real cable plugged into a real iPod. Maybe just a 5G that was Shopped, or maybe something else.
The texture on the additional foam looks very good to me. That doesn't mean it's impossible to be faked, but it certainly casts genuine and significant new doubt the original image.Tyler_D said:
freeny said:
I don't know, I think the video would take a significantly larger amount of effort. Watching that video...I think I could replicate the original image pretty close using my own resources, in a small amount of time. Most of the edits he does are fairly straight forward and simple. I'd say it would take an hour or two at the most if he was organized to begin with.
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nagromme said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. The more information that pops up about this original photo with the video and all, the easier and much more likely it seems to be a photoshop job. I'm more than over the fake/real line now due to the video and 800x600 image.
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And I infact am nagromme, so yes, that means I am quoting & replying to myself.nagromme said:
OK. Here's what I think and why. I believe the original picture was a fake and the video was done by the faker. I noticed a lot of discrepancies in the between the video and the picturethe demonstration of flipping the 5gen ipod around was done on a different background (the cord underneath is a giveaway), the Chinese writing in the beginning doesn't match the final (and it switched halfway through), the black squiggles being drawn don't match the final ones (and they switch at some point), but I believe all of these are because the original hoaxer went back and recreated some of these steps. It makes sense that he might throw away the label for the plug after making the hoax picture and it also makes sense that he didn't make a video recording every step until after the fact, hence he didn't record making the black squiggle at the end but had a layered file with the sqiqqle that he could move into place.
There is one frame in the movie that convinces me the that the video was made by the same person and couldn't be made by someone else. The last part of the movie shows the same background as the photo (Someone could have faked the whole movie using that as a base. ) but early on there is a frame of a 5gen ipod with the plug. It is clearly labeled with the same label as the final and most of the wrinkles are the same but there are a couple of differences. Look at the cicled areas in the picture below, especially the spot in the upper right where the highlight is different. The angle of the ipod is different. When you superimpose this frame over the final photo, the ipods are the same width but the height is different. Also the plug appears at a different angle and appearant size (Photographers know that pictures of the same object taken at a different distance and focal length can change the size different parts appearthink of a picture of face taken at an extreme wide angle and a more normal focal length. It's the same face but in one the nose appears enormous.) Also the camera cords appear in a different place. Even if you adjust the frame from the movie to match the height of the final (second picture) the cords are still in the wrong place and the plug still doesn't match up. I conclude that this frame from the movie proves that the person who made the movie had access to other pictures at different angles on the same background and the only person who could have those is the person who made the original faked photo.
This has been fun.
The picture I posted came out very small. Here's a bigger version.
There is one frame in the movie that convinces me the that the video was made by the same person and couldn't be made by someone else. The last part of the movie shows the same background as the photo (Someone could have faked the whole movie using that as a base. ) but early on there is a frame of a 5gen ipod with the plug. It is clearly labeled with the same label as the final and most of the wrinkles are the same but there are a couple of differences. Look at the cicled areas in the picture below, especially the spot in the upper right where the highlight is different. The angle of the ipod is different. When you superimpose this frame over the final photo, the ipods are the same width but the height is different. Also the plug appears at a different angle and appearant size (Photographers know that pictures of the same object taken at a different distance and focal length can change the size different parts appearthink of a picture of face taken at an extreme wide angle and a more normal focal length. It's the same face but in one the nose appears enormous.) Also the camera cords appear in a different place. Even if you adjust the frame from the movie to match the height of the final (second picture) the cords are still in the wrong place and the plug still doesn't match up. I conclude that this frame from the movie proves that the person who made the movie had access to other pictures at different angles on the same background and the only person who could have those is the person who made the original faked photo.
This has been fun.
The picture I posted came out very small. Here's a bigger version.
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Sigh...all right.Tyler_D said:
I wanted this to be real so badly. The video set me teetering, but I held out hope. But I think this seals it. It was indeed a fake picture, and the faker almost certainly made the video as well. I guess I'll go ahead and accept it.
But Apple, I think this shows that there is at least some demand for a product like this. An iPod with PDA functionality would be my dream come true.
Unfortunately, this isn't it. Anyone think 1998 Newtons are a good buy?
[edit] HOWEVER, there is still the nagging of the iCal invitation and the "fun" products. Sorry, a boombox doesn't sound "fun". All I need is another radio-type device. Intel Macs aren't really "new" in this sense. iPod accessories...don't really think many people would care. I'm hoping for a PDA iPod, but I'm not holding my breath. Some sort of Airport TV would be satisfying. Whatever it is, we'll know in 24 hours.
The thing is, the image gave no hint as to its purposeage234 said:
I envisioned an iPod that simply has a bigger screen for video--nothing more. (And that's OK if that happens: it's a logical advancement of the 5G for video.)I lean towards fake, and await what comes tomorrow... "fun" for someone maybe, but will it sound "fun" to me?
Well, I sort of extrapolated. If it's a full-face screen, that implies that it's a touchscreen. Why have a touchscreen without some sort of PDA software.nagromme said:The thing is, the image gave no hint as to its purpose
"But will it be fun for me?" That's the big question. I'm sorry, Steve, I love ya, but there's nothing fun about iPod socks. If it's fun AND useful, I'm there.
age234 said:
Kinda piggybacking off of what you said age 234, there really wouldn't need to be a frame around the lcd if it was full screen, and scratch resistent, why not have it be one large handheld lcd?