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iPod Video Photo

Having a touch screen that you actually TOUCH-- just doesn't seem very feasible to me. The reason touch screens work with PDA's is they have a stylus. You rarely (if ever) are putting your fingers right on the screen.

Can you imagine working the scroll wheel - on the screen? Spin your thumb around a time or two to turn up the volume- then remove your thumb and you've left a nice little greasy circle where your thumb just was. Give it a few months of that and the screen is going to be a mess.

It sounds like a fun idea in concept-- but not a very good one in application.
 
I can't believe I read this whole thread

I think this thread is an April Fool's joke. Too early you say? But I think the discussion will EASILY last that long...


rikers_mailbox said:
I call FAKE! That is totally a photochop!! It's a B, NOT AN 8!! :mad:
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I haven't seen any photo adjustment yet that proves whether it's a B or an 8--but I don't think the adjustments are fakes, they're honest (and interesting) attempts.

Look at the adjustments that make it look 8-like. They've got rounded corners on the left, and an indent in the middle--thinks an 8 has but a B doesn't. Agreed. But the thing is, filters/optics can do both of those things. Look at these two enhancements--some have said they've been edited to look more 8 like but I'm convinced they are just filters honestly applied:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/2171768/

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/2171770/

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See the notch on the left of the B? 8? But he right filters or camera lens or focus or compression distortion can MAKE that happen next to a horizontal stroke. Look at the right side of the 9: a similar notch even though a 9 has a straight line there. So the notch on the B/8 could be real, or it could just be the result of the stages the image has gone through. Look at the right side of the A--same thing.

Now what about the round, soft corners, that a B wouldn't normally have? But the 7 has an unexpected round corner too. Again, it's something that can happen optically or from the filters. A round corner is just a blurry corner sometimes. We're talking one or two pixels here, and blowing them up to more will cause interpolation--and more roundness will result from that.

I'm not saying it's a B, just saying we don't know from these enhancements. I still like the image analysis people are doing--it's interesting, just not quite proof.

(The whole thing looks pretty real to me--and the code looks more B-like to me. But not conclusively B-like, it could be an 8. I don't see how anyone can claim to be SURE either way about something so blurry, in a JPEG-distored image. In the end, because the REST of the number matches OS X Server, an 8 may be the simplest guess.)


the-fish said:
What's up with the silver trim around the sides and oval-ish shape? It doesn't look like an iPod but w/e, if it's touchscreen and plays video...
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Someone should take a picture of a 5G iPod in similar lighting. The edge isn't silver, it's clear. This Flickr image looks just the way an iPod looks. And the near edge doesn't show the same because it's looking "though to itself" (white). And "ovalness" would be just lens distortion.

BTW, if it IS a fake, it surely IS a good one because most fakes are settled by common consensus much quicker than this! Yet this one still has us thinking :) Or at least, not working...

And I want a black one :D No... I want a RED one :) (The black image makes me suspicious because of a shadow on a lit screen. But otherwise it does look good too. Maybe REALLY bright ambient light and a dim screen could have a shadow like that? I'm skeptical but it's sure cool!)


polyesterlester said:
By the way, I'd like to add that I think nagromme and I are both hilarious.
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We crack we up sometimes.
 
There is 1 weird thing that I keep coming back to that I can't explain. It looks like there was something here and it was blurred out.
 

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Mis-aligned edges and "copy-paste" or "cloning" marks

I don't claim to KNOW it's real--I'm not that convinced--but the "marks" people are finding are generally irrelevant.

I pulled up a random cat JPEG from Google Images.

http://www.nowtsfree.freeserve.co.uk/cat.jpeg

Look what JPEG does to an image of small file-size. Mysterious corners and edges everywhere! Look at the leaves especially (to right and far left of the head for instance). That doesn't make the leaves fake.
 
motulist said:
There is 1 weird thing that I keep coming back to that I can't explain. It looks like there was something here and it was blurred out.
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Actually, i came across that some time ago. My opinion is that the camera, or possibly photoshop, was slightly intoxicated - you know, no motion sickness, just some, um, fuzzy fairies.

Sorry...um, not a serious guess, but maybe if the fake was a conglomerate of 5G frames, that's one of the attached areas? Or just weird pixellation or compression or something? It just doesn't look like anything was there to begin with, unless it was another piece of photomanipulation.
 
Hoax

You have to wonder why anyone would snap THIS color test for the G6 leak photo. Why not show the standard iPod menu or a calendar page or a song playing... why... because it would be more work to Photoshop, that's why. The new boot-up shiny apple segment for the 5G ipods now is sexy as hell: why not snap that? This is bogus.
 
nagromme said:
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I haven't seen any photo adjustment yet that proves whether it's a B or an 8--but I don't think the adjustments are fakes, they're honest (and interesting) attempts.

Look at the adjustments that make it look 8-like. They've got rounded corners on the left, and an indent in the middle--thinks an 8 has but a B doesn't. Agreed. But the thing is, filters/optics can do both of those things. Look at these two enhancements--some have said they've been edited to look more 8 like but I'm convinced they are just filters honestly applied:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/2171768/

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/2171770/

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The point of my photo adjustment was to show that the actual BARCODE matches an M8719Z/A barcode. It doesn't really matter what we think the character is, the lines prove that it's M8719Z/A (there's a big difference between the barcodes of M8719Z/A and MB719Z/A, almost impossible to confuse).

Notice how all the barcodes match up perfectly:
 

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Compare to 5G iPod

motulist said:
There is 1 weird thing that I keep coming back to that I can't explain. It looks like there was something here and it was blurred out.
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I don't see a blur effect necessarily--just a highlighted fold on the backdrop, which seemingly "extends into" the device, but only, I think, as a reflection or refraction. Because the device IS shiny, reflective, and refractive. That's a much simpler explanation than some blur that wouldn't help the fake.

While I'm pulling random Google images, here are a few images of a 5G iPod (and you can find MANY more of the same). See the clear edge? Lots of "odd effects" result. Devices wrapped in thick clear plastic casings are rare, but that's how iPods are done--it gives them their slick ultra-glossy look.

http://www.loiclemeur.com/france/_photos_uncategorized_30102005003.jpg

http://www.hermann-uwe.de/files/images/ipod_video.preview.jpg

http://darjeeling.dip.jp/blog/okko/images/ipodvideo.jpg
 
scienceguy said:
The point of my photo adjustment was to show that the actual BARCODE matches an M8719Z/A barcode.

Notice how all the barcodes match up perfectly:
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I agree with scienceguy -- get this brotha on CSI !
 
scienceguy said:
The point of my photo adjustment was to show that the actual BARCODE matches an M8719Z/A barcode.
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I know--your barcode comparison is the best one. I was responding to talk of round corners on the 8 etc.

The most suspicious think about the barcode to me is simply that the OTHER digits are the same as OS X Server. What do those digits mean? Is there some system to them that would explain using the same trailing digits in more than one product? Otherwise, I'd say it's an OS X Server sticker.

Which makes me suspicious but still doesn't convince me it's fake. I can think of no good reason to write a "7" on some random sticker and put it on a real iPod. But I also find it odd to think of a faker as clever as this forgetting that the product code would be a clue.

I'm still wanting proof to convince me one way or the other, and I still can't find anything THAT persuasive--which makes this one of the longest-lasting and best fakes we've seen. Or... makes it real! We'll know soon.
 
nagromme said:
I know--your barcode comparison is the best one. I was responding to talk of round corners on the 8 etc.

The most suspicious think about the barcode to me is simply that the OTHER digits are the same as OS X Server. What do those digits mean? Is there some system to them that would explain using the same trailing digits in more than one product? Otherwise, I'd say it's an OS X Server sticker.

Which makes me suspicious but still doesn't convince me it's fake. I can think of no good reason to write a "7" on some random sticker and put it on a real iPod. But I also find it odd to think of a faker as clever as this forgetting that the product code would be a clue.

I'm still wanting proof to convince me one way or the other, and I still can't find anything THAT persuasive--which makes this one of the longest-lasting and best fakes we've seen. Or... makes it real! We'll know soon.
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Agreed. If it IS fake, it's incredibly good. But since it is SO good, it doesn't make sense that they would do something as stupid as using a Mac OS 10.2 Server barcode. I know I just convinced myself of it, but it still just doesn't make sense...

I've spent enough time on this whole thing. I'm waiting for Tuesday.
 
OK, I've thought of a reason why a faker would intentionally use the wrong barcode: as a clue we were MEANT to find. A fake for fun not intended to fool us long.

But I've also thought of a reason why some test location or pile of rejects would have the wrong barcode: it's just whatever they grabbed to write that it's unit "7" on. No intention that anyone would ever scan the barcode--it is, after all, a pretty informal mess we're looking at (much like the 5G leak was).

Both reasons are weak, I know.
 
nagromme said:
I'm still wanting proof to convince me one way or the other, and I still can't find anything THAT persuasive--which makes this one of the longest-lasting and best fakes we've seen. Or... makes it real! We'll know soon.
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Uh, yeah, which makes sense since this thing is just as predicted with the exception of the fake Chinese and maybe a few image tricks. And I'm not sure if we'll ever get a confession or contrary evidence (that people will actually consider), since the 6G iPod was basically presumed to look mostly like this.

Pic just as a fun kicker. This is how, for example, your crazy banner should look if it were hand-written. Never made sense to me anyway, but I've seen it a lot so here goes.
 

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Uh, yeah, which makes sense since this thing is just as predicted with the exception of the fake Chinese and maybe a few image tricks. And I'm not sure if we'll ever get a confession or contrary evidence (that people will actually consider), since the 6G iPod was basically presumed to look mostly like this.

Pic just as a fun kicker. This is how, for example, your crazy banner should look if it were hand-written. Never made sense to me anyway, but I've seen it a lot so here goes.
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Lol I got it screwed up. HOld on.
 
Can't be real

Sorry, can't be true: Apple wouldn't put a menubar at the bottom. This has been made by a Windows users who doesn't know much about the Mac's GUI.

Furthermore, the linked webpage states that this device includes iTunes 5, not 6


biggerbearbrian said:
Has Anyone seen this? A friend sent me a link to this site (in Chinese):

http://tech.163.com/04/1022/16/13AGKKI80009155V.html

If you copy out the picture, it shows the whole thing
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What about the bar code stickers that were on the 5G.

Did the numbers on those stickers have any meaning in Apple's database??
 
jblodgett said:
What about the bar code stickers that were on the 5G.

Did the numbers on those stickers have any meaning in Apple's database??
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No access to the Apple database; popping the numbers into google however, turns up nothing even now.

~V
 
nagromme said:
I don't claim to KNOW it's real--I'm not that convinced--but the "marks" people are finding are generally irrelevant.

I pulled up a random cat JPEG from Google Images.

http://www.nowtsfree.freeserve.co.uk/cat.jpeg

Look what JPEG does to an image of small file-size. Mysterious corners and edges everywhere! Look at the leaves especially (to right and far left of the head for instance). That doesn't make the leaves fake.
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Dude.... that cat is sooo fake! :D

For what it's worth, I think the iPod picture is fake. Somebodys playing with us, y'all!

:rolleyes:

RTP
 
SParis said:
Sorry, can't be true: Apple wouldn't put a menubar at the bottom. This has been made by a Windows users who doesn't know much about the Mac's GUI.

Furthermore, the linked webpage states that this device includes iTunes 5, not 6
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Yeah, and what kind of carzy carp calls for 260GB? Loofa.
 
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