ok so we've heard one side saying Ipods are perfect another side saying they ar scratch magnets....what possibly more is their to discuss? no one is gonna budge on the topic..shouldnt this thread be locked or something?
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iPod iPod Video Scratches
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matticus008 said:
What you are not grasping is this magical WEAR that we are complaining about is a result of the iPod going into the freaking little case provided by Apple!!! If their own little soft cloth case scratches the hell out of an iPod, then there is either something wrong with the screen or something wrong with the provided case. That is why people are upset.
I completely agree with you on some points, things do wear and tear under normal every day use... but putting up your iPod in a case SHOULD NOT EVER be considered under that catagory of wear and tear. If you iPod Apple fanatics have become so accostumed to minor scratches on iPod then it's no wonder some of you don't care about the new problem which is an entirely different problem.
Sorry if I consider the 5G's to be a little more different than previous generations but a VIDEO IPOD means that you are going to be spending a lot more time looking at the screen than before. So it would be safe to assume there would be a little more scratch protection built in. Making the face plate out of a soft plastic isn't the most sane idea in my book.
Someone earlier mentioned something about a 2006 car being different than previous models... say all the other models had one type of paint on them that was stronger and more resistent to scratches, but the 2006 comes out and has this new paint job that is supposed to show off all sorts of details, but at night you have to put it's special protective cover on when not in use. But as soon as you remove it's cover the car company gave you, you find your car is starting to scratch. Should you be upset at the car company for changing the paint or for giving you a car cover that scratches the paint? Absolutely!!! You shouldn't have to go out to some other paint place and pay them to put a protective coating over that new paint job. If this is what you guys have grown to expect from Apple, then I feel bad for you.
Yes people complain and for a good reason... there is a problem with the 5Gs!
I knew that iPods were scratch prone when I went to buy one. I had seen all of my friends and knew it was coming. They do seem to be worse on the new ones... but it's a given. I was only really irked when mine got a nice group of scratches that I can even see with the screen on. I kept it in the little sleeve provided and it never went in my hoodie pouch or pocket without it, yet somehow managed to scratch more than the usual hairline ones [left side of screen].
But you know something that makes a great case/protector for it [until they come out with good ones and such]... Baby Socks! Even though Apple has already had this idea, I find the baby socks to be Tons cheaper than the "iPod socks". My friend uses the little newborn ones for her nano and they will fit any of them!
Just thought i'd add my two cents into this ongoing 'issue'.
I kept it in the little sleeve provided and it never went in my hoodie pouch or pocket without it, yet somehow managed to scratch more than the usual hairline ones [left side of screen].
But you know something that makes a great case/protector for it [until they come out with good ones and such]... Baby Socks! Even though Apple has already had this idea, I find the baby socks to be Tons cheaper than the "iPod socks". My friend uses the little newborn ones for her nano and they will fit any of them!
Just thought i'd add my two cents into this ongoing 'issue'.
I bought an Invisible Shield for my 4G 60GB Photo, but I didn't even bother putting it all over, I just cut out a square and put it over the screen. I don't really care as much about what happens to the body of the iPod, and it's dead easy to get a small square-sized Invisible Shield applied to the screen perfectly with no bubbles or anything. I'm sure it's not too hard to apply the whole sleeve, but I just didn't feel like screwing with it. I'm really happy with it, since I can just put the thing in my pocket or wherever; I used to have a hard protective case and now the iPod feels ALOT smaller. Sweet.
Those of you with 5G iPods who are waiting for custom Invisible Shields, you might want to consider just buying any size sheet and cutting out a little square for your screen, assuming you don't care about the body of your iPod. I bought a PowerBook Invisible Shield (covers the palm rests, trackpad, and the whole back) and cut up the large sheet for the back into sections, some for my iPods and a couple for my dad's iPods. If all you want to do is cover up your screen you could get that done right away. Even if you want more later, it may be worth it to you to do that just to protect your highly sensitive screen in the meantime. Just a thought.
Those of you with 5G iPods who are waiting for custom Invisible Shields, you might want to consider just buying any size sheet and cutting out a little square for your screen, assuming you don't care about the body of your iPod. I bought a PowerBook Invisible Shield (covers the palm rests, trackpad, and the whole back) and cut up the large sheet for the back into sections, some for my iPods and a couple for my dad's iPods. If all you want to do is cover up your screen you could get that done right away. Even if you want more later, it may be worth it to you to do that just to protect your highly sensitive screen in the meantime. Just a thought.
Above picture is after 3 days of very minimal use. I treated it like a baby, and kept it in the provided "soft" sleeve almost 100% of the time. The left side of the screen looks like somebody took a S.O.S. pad to it. Regardless of what any of you say, this should not happen after 3 days. I had a 4G iPod--and yes, it scratched over time...these things happen. But, after 3 days on a VIDEO iPod---this is ridiculous. Especially since I used it rarely and was so gentle with it.
I had planned to put it in a protective case of some sort--but none were released when I first bought this iPod, because I got it on the first day it came out. I even pre-ordered from Agent18---but cancelled the order because it's pointless now.
I think the main difference is this---many of you keep saying that we have to accept the fact that these things scratch. But, when a company introduces and item as an iPod Video, or an iPod that plays VIDEO--then I don't think the screen should be quite so brittle. I realize it's a black iPod and scratches are much more visible...and I don't mind if the body of it has some scratches. But Apple went out of its way to make a larger screen for viewing pleasure, but yet used a plastic that is way too soft to laminate the front body/screen. Not to mention--Apple provides a soft sleeve that actually scratches the heck out of the iPod, rather than protect it.
Flame at me as you will, those of you whom feel you are iPod experts. I may be a newbie in this forum, but that does not make me a newbie to Apple products. I'm not here to whine about petty little scratches on the body of the iPod. My point is--if you're going to introduce a new item with it's newest attracting feature being video playback--while expanding the screen size--then you should have used a different material for the screen. I took a $100 hit by posting my new 5G Ipod on eBay, and bought another one..which will not be used until my recently ordered screen protectors arrive in the mail.
I just hope in the future models with video playback--that Apple recognizes the design flaw and fixes it. Now, I'm not saying 5g iPod is flawed in general as many of you flame others for, as the product works beautifully in terms of its technical features. But, I do feel there needs to be some revisions to its design so that scratches and scuff marks do not appear on the screen almost instantaneously.
The end.
Funny, mine is fine, used regularly, put in Microfiber Oakley Glasses Case. I tried looking for scratches, but couldnt fine Hairline ones, tried ever differnt angle of light and everything.
This is the only thing you can do to a new ipod to save it from the scratches. Leave the plastic coating on it, put it in a Speck Toughskin, then put it into a protective acrylic case. I'm still trying to figure out how to turn it on and use it though.
MacTruck said:This is the only thing you can do to a new ipod to save it from the scratches. Leave the plastic coating on it, put it in a Speck Toughskin, then put it into a protective acrylic case. I'm still trying to figure out how to turn it on and use it though.
Your quite hilarious. Until this happens to you. Oh, but I forgot, it's extremely enjoyable to watch videos through a scratched/clouded screen. You act as if I'm gaining something by telling my case. As if I don't already own 7 other Apple products.
crazycongas24 said:
Hey man I am with you believe me. Returned my nano and a white 60gb. Now I have the black 60gb and ain't lettin nothing happen to it. Apple will return, they know all about this issue. Good luck my friend.
Well Matticus...
Those of you who complain that their aren't any posted pics can now take your seat. Those of you who complain that the scratching issue is made up or "horribly exaggerated" as Matticus put it, you can also take your seat. The amount of concerned posters speaks for itself. If your happy with yours then great! Start a thread on how much you love your Ipod. I, on the other hand, would like to see some action taken on the part of Apple to reconcile this issue.
Those of you who complain that their aren't any posted pics can now take your seat. Those of you who complain that the scratching issue is made up or "horribly exaggerated" as Matticus put it, you can also take your seat. The amount of concerned posters speaks for itself. If your happy with yours then great! Start a thread on how much you love your Ipod. I, on the other hand, would like to see some action taken on the part of Apple to reconcile this issue.
Don't call people out. It doesn't lead anywhere good for you.Scratchpod said:
So there's now one picture of a significantly scuffed (or possibly just smudged) iPod screen. Okay. But do you really expect a reasonable person to look at that and believe that it was caused by the case without abnormal pressure or extenuating circumstances? Even if your answer is yes (and I don't think that can be), does this one picture justify your ridiculously overblown claims of pandemic scratching?
You are right, though. The numbers do speak for themselves. 53,000 members here, and a few dozen complaints. Almost 3 million nano and 5G owners, and a handful of pictures (including the laughable content of nanoscratch.com), of which only this one looks to be damaged, and not even a scratch per se, but a wide scuff which implies roughly simultaneous pressure over a large area. That's not a patchwork of scratches like you've been complaining about, but what instead appears to be a single traumatic event.
Hey, you called me out first! Below incase you've forgotten. And please don't threaten me, cause I ain't scared.
"And second, your harm exists only within your head. There aren't any iPods that are "unviewable" with casual, everyday, light scratches. You can still view the screens on all photographed iPods unless there is a glare, in which case it's illegible anyway, so it's a non-issue. The kind of scratching produced by empty, clean pockets will not ultimately render your iPod illegible--that's a ridiculous, unsubstantiated, and illogical claim."
You are obviously an intelligent person, and this is not personal, but I still don't understand your long arguments. Over 16,000 people have viewed this thread. How did they find this thread? Probably by Googling "Scratched Video Ipod," So I am assuming most of those people are experiencing the same problems. Of those people, a small select few have decided to open an account and actually post. Of those few people, the majority has overwhelmed this thread agreeing that the Video Ipod scratches too easily and does not hold up to "normal" use. The Ipod is still extremely new to the market, and is already experiencing this kind of criticism. I will can't wait to hear the uproar after Christmas! This is a very real problem. You should start a thread about how the Ipod is scratch resistant and made of the best material known to man. I bet you won't get 16,000 views....
"And second, your harm exists only within your head. There aren't any iPods that are "unviewable" with casual, everyday, light scratches. You can still view the screens on all photographed iPods unless there is a glare, in which case it's illegible anyway, so it's a non-issue. The kind of scratching produced by empty, clean pockets will not ultimately render your iPod illegible--that's a ridiculous, unsubstantiated, and illogical claim."
You are obviously an intelligent person, and this is not personal, but I still don't understand your long arguments. Over 16,000 people have viewed this thread. How did they find this thread? Probably by Googling "Scratched Video Ipod," So I am assuming most of those people are experiencing the same problems. Of those people, a small select few have decided to open an account and actually post. Of those few people, the majority has overwhelmed this thread agreeing that the Video Ipod scratches too easily and does not hold up to "normal" use. The Ipod is still extremely new to the market, and is already experiencing this kind of criticism. I will can't wait to hear the uproar after Christmas! This is a very real problem. You should start a thread about how the Ipod is scratch resistant and made of the best material known to man. I bet you won't get 16,000 views....
No, I didn't call you out by name and flaunt a "what now? just sit down" post with it. The "severe harm" and "flaw" really do only exist in your head. It simply fails to translate to demonstrated reality.Scratchpod said:
Thread views don't mean anything. Most of them are from members catching up or posting. And even if they're not, they are very easily people curious about the news. It doesn't give you any support or allow you to draw any conclusions. Only voiced complaints give you any sort of standing in a plaintiff-burden society. It's obviously not a serious issue if people don't care about it.
It probably would, because that's an exaggerated claim that would stir up all kinds of trouble. No one ever said the iPod was scratch resistant, and that's a big part of the whole point here. Further, there is no universal best material known to man, but for the practical, structural, and aesthetic decisions of the iPod, polycarbonate fits the bill better than anything else. No, it's not perfect, but nothing is. Can you point out another problem? Didn't think so. I think with all objective analysis, the severity of this problem is greatly overrated, but of course it is, because when it's all you can find to complain about, you gotta swing hard.
matticus008 said:
Dude you need to stop. The ipod scratches from touching it. Why can't they make it like my Razr. Goes in pocket with keys, still no scratches.
I think this is the apple engineer in charge of the new ipod.
"Dude you need to stop. The ipod scratches from touching it. Why can't they make it like my Razr. Goes in pocket with keys, still no scratches.
I think this is the apple engineer in charge of the new ipod. "
LOL! I'm starting to agree with you man.. maybe paid under the table by Apple? Reguardless, I have said my piece and I'm confident in my claims. He is now the only person who continues to defend Apple in this debate.
I think this is the apple engineer in charge of the new ipod. "
LOL! I'm starting to agree with you man.. maybe paid under the table by Apple? Reguardless, I have said my piece and I'm confident in my claims. He is now the only person who continues to defend Apple in this debate.
yeah um, I think the pocket that came with my ipod WAS what scratched it. Weird though, ain't it? Well anyhow, the ipod still looks great, can't disagree with that, or can you?
Well anyhow, the ipod still looks great, can't disagree with that, or can you?
im going home for thanksgiving and i will check out my brothers 30GB black ipod and post pics...i havent seen the thing and he has had it for a few days. he doesnt take the best care of things (i told my mom, he is gonna scratch the heck out of that thing) since i havent seen it and i do own a 4G 20GB ipod hopefully i can give a fairly objective viewpoint. this scratching thing is starting to worry me because i was gonna pick one up this week....although i probably wont watch many videos on it if at all ( i need the extra 10gigs)
Ok, I except the fact that my Precious Ipod is scratched!
All right, I except that my ipod is scratched and that Apple is not going to do anything about it. I am disappointed with the frailty of this product and the fact that I will have to dish-out more money just to protect it. I have to admit it plays MP3s damn good though. I have read many of the forum posts regarding products that will buff out these scratches. I am very curious to know what others are using and what the results are. I have my invisible-shield and will probably purchase a speck case but I would like to get rid of these scratches first. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. This is great forum with great people and lots of debating and information. I only wish I had found this information before my ipod purchase, I would have definitely waited until Apple did something to improve the durability of the Ipod!
All right, I except that my ipod is scratched and that Apple is not going to do anything about it.
I am disappointed with the frailty of this product and the fact that I will have to dish-out more money just to protect it. I have to admit it plays MP3s damn good though. I have read many of the forum posts regarding products that will buff out these scratches. I am very curious to know what others are using and what the results are. I have my invisible-shield and will probably purchase a speck case but I would like to get rid of these scratches first. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. This is great forum with great people and lots of debating and information. I only wish I had found this information before my ipod purchase, I would have definitely waited until Apple did something to improve the durability of the Ipod!matticus008 said:
I'm quite amused at your remarks in this thread, as if you ARE an iPod. The picture I posted is direct from the eBay auction I had posted for the iPod. I guess it's totally logical to try to sell something on the internet, and post a picture with a so called "smudge" in an effort to sell it. You act as if we are all anti-iPod posters whom are doing this just to spite Apple. Some of us have more important things to do.
I'm a loyal supporter/purchaser of Apple products. But, when a product has a design flaw, which is indeed what it is (proven with the Nano), regardless of your empty accusations, then it's needs to be made vocal.
My roommate also bought the black 30GB iPod, and it too is scratched badly, after only a few days of use.
Oh, wait. I forgot about the day we put our new iPods down our sink's garbage disposal....maybe that's why both our iPod's are scratched so badly.
I have no doubt that you treated your iPod well and that you do believe that the scuff came from nowhere. I don't think you attempted to deceive anyone. But it remains fairly obvious that something particular happened to your iPod to cause that kind of damage. Your scuff is not consistent with the stories other people have been posting.crazycongas24 said:
The uniformity and localization of that damage points to a single event with some abrasive surface and/or abnormal pressure. It looks more like a scraped knee or a bumper against a guard rail that the supposed "frailty" (which is not at all the case, unless scrapes and scratches are now causing iPods to be weak and easily broken). If it were caused by this innate "impossibly-easy-to-scratch-just-by-touching-it" phenomenon, then the scratches wouldn't be uniform, but in random directions. They would be scattered across the entire surface, too, and not concentrated in a single patch (unless there's a spot in the case that is made of sandpaper, now).
It's not that I don't believe you or that I think you're trying to pull a fast one on anyone...it's just that I don't think you're being realistic about the cause of the scratches. Your scuff is the worst-damaged iPod I've yet seen, and it's a rallying point for the hyperbole-filled activists here, but it just doesn't fit the pattern they've been harping for weeks.
Of course it's easier to use attention-grabbing words like "flawed" and "frail" and "defective" to make an overstated point, but they're words that don't apply. I don't care that you're upset with an Apple product--if you read some of my other posts, I'm one of the loudest critics in many threads. I care that you're complaining about something that is no one's fault but your own and the result of nothing but your own misfortune. Use some common sense. The iPod is shiny, shinier than ever before. Shiny things don't just stay shiny and mint condition. Obviously there's going to be a consequence if the iPod is shiny and clearcoated and none of its competitors are. The iPod isn't your only choice, and nobody deceived you about any of its features.
In this case, nobody lied to you, nobody gave you a faulty product, and nobody owes you anything. I don't care whether it's Apple or Creative Labs or Ford Motor Company. If you're unhappy, fine, but don't blame anyone but yourself.