Iran Reportedly Warns Apple is Among Potential Targets

[jon9091]

And just like that the Dow futures jump 900 points. What a shocker. 🥴

 

[jon9091]

It is not Iran vs Israel. That is false.
Iran is the villain throughout the Mideast. No question.

We probably have a difference of opinion as to whether Israel is defending itself against Iranian-funded terrorist groups who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians for many years. But what we can agree on is that Israel is not threatening the Gulf states, nor Egypt, nor Iraq, nor Jordan and others.

Argue all you want, but facts are facts: Israel attacks those who attack Israel. Iran attacks with the intention of spreading their religious form of government throughout the Mideast and perhaps the rest of the world.

Israel attacks whoever it can the US to help it attack with the sole purpose of keeping Netanyahu in power.

 

[Alameda]

Israel attacks whoever it can the US to help it attack with the sole purpose of keeping Netanyahu in power.

Do you dispute that Israel was attacked by Hamas out of Gaza?
Do you dispute that Israel was attacked by Hezbollah out of Lebanon?
Do you dispute that Israel was attacked by Houthis out of Yemen?
Do you dispute that Iran funded Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis to carry out these attacks?

These are facts.

You should visit Israel and speak with Israelis. I did. They are super hardworking people who despise war. They really hate it. But fathers and mothers need to grab their kids and take them into air raid shelters several times a week and sometimes several times a day. Their perspective is very different from yours, although Netanyahu is as unpopular in Israel as Trump is in the USA. His leadership is terrible, but it is the result of 80 years of almost nonstop war.

 

[jon9091]

Do you dispute that Israel was attacked by Hamas out of Gaza?
Do you dispute that Israel was attacked by Hezbollah out of Lebanon?
Do you dispute that Israel was attacked by Houthis out of Yemen?
Do you dispute that Iran funded Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis to carry out these attacks?

These are facts.

You should visit Israel and speak with Israelis. I did. They are super hardworking people who despise war. They really hate it. But fathers and mothers need to grab their kids and take them into air raid shelters several times a week and sometimes several times a day. Their perspective is very different from yours, although Netanyahu is as unpopular in Israel as Trump is in the USA. His leadership is terrible, but it is the result of 80 years of almost nonstop war.

You can’t be serious if you think that the Hamas attack of 2023 was the first war between Israel and Palestine. Israel has not been the innocent victim in any of these unfortunate exchanges. And what they did to Palestine after that date was pure genocide. I will vote for whoever promises to stop funding Israel. And no…I am NOT antisemitic…I am anti WAR. And as I said…it is Netanyahu who is driving these wars in effort to stay in power. And now Trump is attempting to do the same thing here. The actual citizens of these countries do NOT want War….it’s the politicians.

 

[jimmy_john]

His leadership is terrible, but it is the result of 80 years of almost nonstop war.

If only someone were in a position to stop the cycle

 

[Madhatter32]

And what they did to Palestine after that date was pure genocide. And no…I am NOT antisemitic…

Okay.

 

[jon9091]

Okay.

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Anytime humanitarian aid is BLOCKED, any time access to clean drinking water and food is denied…it’s genocide.

 

[Velli]

You should visit Israel and speak with Israelis. I did. They are super hardworking people who despise war.

If you go to Iran and speak to people on the street, you will find the same thing.

Very few “normal people” in any country on earth wants war of any kind.

In any case, you can’t look at this conflict by putting a cap on history at 20 or 50 years. You have to consider all of history, to understand what is going on. I’m sure if you live in a country soon to celebrate it’s 250th birthday, it is alien to you to consider matters that are thousands of years old, but nevertheless that is what you must do.

In the end, it’s not really important who the bad guy is. What’s important is that someone who we like to think of as the good guys, have started behaving like the bad guys do. It’s not an excuse that the others did it first. If you drop to their level, you forfeit your right to complain about their ways.

 

[jon9091]

$2 million per ship — to cross a Strait that was free six weeks ago. Another example of “the art of the deal.” 🥴

 

[jimmy_john]

Okay.

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Yer graph stops in 2016.

 

[Velli]

Okay.

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How is a graph that ends in 2016 an argument against something that happened in 2023?

 

[jimmy_john]

How is a graph that ends in 2016 an argument against something that happened in 2023?

You go to war with the memes you have, not the memes you want.

 

[Alameda]

You can’t be serious if you think that the Hamas attack of 2023 was the first war between Israel and Palestine. Israel has not been the innocent victim in any of these unfortunate exchanges. And what they did to Palestine after that date was pure genocide. I will vote for whoever promises to stop funding Israel. And no…I am NOT antisemitic…I am anti WAR. And as I said…it is Netanyahu who is driving these wars in effort to stay in power. And now Trump is attempting to do the same thing here. The actual citizens of these countries do NOT want War….it’s the politicians.

What crock.

So tell me… in 1948, when the United Nations created a Arab and Jewish partition plan, who objected? Hello? It was the Arabs. This is public record. They didn’t object to the borders, or the size of the Jewish state, they objected to the fact that there was any Jewish state whatsoever anywhere in the Mideast. Prior to this, there was never in history a Palestinian nation.

The only evidence you need is this: On Israel’s first day of existence as a nation, six Arab nations declared war on Israel.

Are you seriously going to believe that a one day old country decided on their own that they would go to war with six countries at once? You’re really going to believe that? At the time, Truman imposed a military embargo on the entire Mideast, including Israel. They had no US military aid or support back then.

What happened was very simple: The Arab nations decided that, rather than have two nations in Palestine, there would be one. If they declared war and defeated the Jews, then they would have all the land. And this is true; they would have. Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine for a very long time; records go back at least into the 1850’s. Mark Twain even visited Jerusalem and wrote about it and about the Jews and Arabs he encountered. So no, Jews didn’t just show up overnight and conquer the land. They were promised a state by Balfour and they realized this dream 40 years later, and they have had to fight enemies determined to drive them out of the Mideast ever since.

In the 1970’s, Sadat made a peace deal with Israel at Camp David. Within a year, his own army murdered him in broad daylight. It was televised. It was not the Jews who did this. It was Arabs who were furious at the idea of Egypt living in peace with Israel.

Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon have been firing rockets into Israel for years. And now Yemen fires missiles into Israel. These missiles kill people. What’s your opinion of that? “Oh, it’s ok, cause those missiles only kill Jews?” If you were a parent and you had to take you children into bomb shelters twice a week, you’d ignore it? Is there any other country anywhere on Earth that just lets its neighbors fire rockets without any fear of retribution? And tell me, what does Israel have to do to stop these rockets, besides no longer existing as a country?

 

[spritle]

Trump obviously can't read so its not like people typing on a forum is going to have an impact.

It's healthy to point and laugh at the incompetence.

And at the incontinence.

 

[ThomasJL]

So tell me… in 1948, when the United Nations created an Arab and Jewish partition plan, who objected? Hello? It was the Arabs.

Just look at the entitlement in that post!

No population anywhere in the world has ever voluntarily agreed to having their land stolen and being removed from their homes.

Many right-wing and centrist Europeans (both white and Jewish) regard non-Europeans as less human than themselves, and believe non-Europeans have a moral obligation to behave as if they are inferior to Europeans, and thus have a moral obligation to allow their land to be stolen by Europeans and to be ethnically cleansed by Europeans. This had happened on numerous lands on every non-European continent except Antarctica.

 

[Alameda]

Anytime humanitarian aid is BLOCKED, any time access to clean drinking water and food is denied…it’s genocide.

Who provides the drinking water into Gaza? Israel.

Why aren’t you complaining that Gaza isn’t supplying Israel with drinking water and electricity and food?

You are forgetting something: The Palestinians have had 80 years to get their act together. But instead, they play this ridiculous “refugee card” and refuse to develop their own infrastructure and agriculture. Israel developed their own agriculture, and to do it they had to invent drip irrigation. It wasn’t easy. But after 80 years and countless billions of refugee aid dollars, the Palestinians are still a welfare state.

 

[jon9091]

And tell me, what does Israel have to do to stop these rockets, besides no longer existing as a country?

They could start be accepting a 2 state solution.

 

[jon9091]

Who provides the drinking water into Gaza? Israel.

Why aren’t you complaining that Gaza isn’t supplying Israel with drinking water and electricity and food?

You are forgetting something: The Palestinians have had 80 years to get their act together. But instead, they play this ridiculous “refugee card” and refuse to develop their own infrastructure and agriculture. Israel developed their own agriculture, and to do it they had to invent drip irrigation. It wasn’t easy. But after 80 years and countless billions of refugee aid dollars, the Palestinians are still a welfare state.

Great…so the US can stop sending Israel billions of dollars every year. 👍

 

[Madhatter32]

Just look at the entitlement in that post!

No population anywhere in the world has ever voluntarily agreed to having their land stolen and being removed from their homes.

Many right-wing and centrist Europeans (both white and Jewish) regard non-Europeans as less human than themselves, and believe non-Europeans have a moral obligation to behave as if they are inferior to Europeans, and thus have a moral obligation to allow their land to be stolen by Europeans and to be ethnically cleansed by Europeans. This had happened on numerous lands on every non-European continent except Antarctica.

Who's land? Who exactly stole what here? Jews are indigenous to Israel. There's a book all about it.

 

[Alameda]

No population anywhere in the world has ever voluntarily agreed to having their land stolen and being removed from their homes.

Many right-wing and centrist Europeans (both white and Jewish) regard non-Europeans as less human than themselves, and believe non-Europeans have a moral obligation to behave as if they are inferior to Europeans, and thus have a moral obligation to allow their land to be stolen by Europeans and to be ethnically cleansed by Europeans. This had happened on numerous lands on every non-European continent except Antarctica.

What on Earth are you talking about? Do you live on Earth? You are very poorly educated on this subject.

Ever heard of East and West Germany?
Ever heard of Yugoslavia?
How about Pakistan? Ever heard of that country? Or Bangladesh?

The list of nations that has been broken up into separate nations is innumerable. It is probably larger than the number of countries that have not been broken up. So what’s with all the ridiculous hand-wringing over the Palestinians?

Tell me about the Kurdish nation. They have never, ever been offered a nation. Never. Are they hijacking airplanes and blowing up school buses over it? But the Palestinians have been offered statehood and peace countless times. They simply reject because they want all the land, “from the river to the sea.” And you somehow think you’re a “peacenik” thinking it’s so simple to create peace by simply wiping the State of Israel off the map. But they have nowhere to go and so they will literally fight to the death to stay where they are. Maybe better path to peace is to stop this ridiculous “from the river to the sea” nonsense. Because that is not a peace plan.

 

[steve62388]

That is false.
I don’t think the invasion was a good idea, but Iran has been sending weapons into Yemen, Gaza, Syria and Northern Lebanon. Weapons that have been killing random Israelis for years and years. 750,000 died in Yemen because of Iranian weapons.

Iran is definitely an evil nation that’s behind most of the instability in the Mideast.

750,000 is a considerable over exaggeration. Whilst still high and terrible, realistic numbers are around half that.

The Houthis began their campaign before there was much Iranian involvement, although they did later supply weapons.

And who supplies weapons to the Saudis? That would be the US. So…. 🤷‍♂️

 

[jimmy_john]

What on Earth are you talking about? Do you live on Earth? You are very poorly educated on this subject.

Ever heard of East and West Germany?
Ever heard of Yugoslavia?
How about Pakistan? Ever heard of that country? Or Bangladesh?

The list of nations that has been broken up into separate nations is innumerable. It is probably larger than the number of countries that have not been broken up. So what’s with all the ridiculous hand-wringing over the Palestinians?

Tell me about the Kurdish nation. They have never, ever been offered a nation. Never. Are they hijacking airplanes and blowing up school buses over it? But the Palestinians have been offered statehood and peace countless times. They simply reject because they want all the land, “from the river to the sea.” And you somehow think you’re a “peacenik” thinking it’s so simple to create peace by simply wiping the State of Israel off the map. But they have nowhere to go and so they will literally fight to the death to stay where they are. Maybe better path to peace is to stop this ridiculous “from the river to the sea” nonsense. Because that is not a peace plan.

I know everyone is distracted with the new promised genocide in Iran but is the current MAGA plan still to bulldoze all of Gaza and build Trump hotels there?

 

[steve62388]

Okay.

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Whataboutism at its finest. This does nothing to discount what you’re quoting.

You’re showing the results of Germany’s actions in WW2, nothing to do with Iran or any Palestinian population. The second graphic shows voluntary migration to Israel after it was founded. The third graphic shows that those areas had a higher birth rate.

 

[Alameda]

I know everyone is distracted with the new promised genocide in Iran but is the current MAGA plan still to bulldoze all of Gaza and build Trump hotels there?

I can’t imagine that anyone is taking that plan seriously. I definitely wouldn’t invest my money in building a hotel amidst the world’s biggest hornet nest of terrorists, would you?

 

[steve62388]

With the recently announced ceasefire, let’s take stock of where we currently are.

Did the Iranian government fall?
No. And the current leadership no doubt hates the US more than ever.

Did the US remove uranium from Iran?
No.

Did the US setback the Iranian nuclear program?
Who knows? Probably not, because according to trump it was already setback decades. And now Iran will be motivated more than ever to obtain nuclear weapons. Not forgetting that Iran was not developing under the JCPOA before trump torpedoed it.

Did the US bring relief to the people of Iran?
No. The destruction of Iranian infrastructure will only impoverish the country further.

Did the US cause a global economic shock?
Yes.

Did the US indirectly cause considerable infrastructure damage to the Middle East, which will take many months or years to recover?
Yes.

Did the US show that their military is fallible?
Yes. But most rational people already knew that.

Did the US kill thousands of innocent people including a school full of little girls?
Yes.

Did the US show that Iran can control the Straits of Hormuz?
Yes.

Did the US damage its geopolitical standing with allies and other countries throughout the Middle East?
Yes.

Did the US just waste billions of dollars, munitions and lives?
It certainly looks like it.

So that looks like it’s a whole lot of big ‘L’s for the US.