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Based on how we in Europe look at the US nowadays, nope.
jon9091
macrumors 6502
Only in that the US already is regarded as a rogue state.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
When the US president won't (or can't ) read, and don't know how to write, what can anyone expect?
Let’s reflect on this in a few months time and compare notes. I will be more than happy if it doesn’t happen and the crazy one somehow disappears. As of now he and his sycophants are making good progress.
Alameda
macrumors 68000
If you do not want another nation to bomb your country and kill your people... as a rule of thumb... do not invade their country and slaughter 1,400 civilians, rape a bunch more, kidnap another 250 and then post videos to social media bragging about it.
Hamas' goal in invading Israel on Oct 7 was to eliminate the entire State of Israel. That's what "from the river to the sea" means. And Israel isn't going to let the terrorists take over their country.
It's kind of like an armed home invader complaining that he was shot by the home owner. The Palestinians got what they deserved. And all this "boo hoo the poor children" is a load of hogwash. No other country ever, ever, ever went to war without civilians dying. The US killed millions of Japanese and German civilians in WW II. There were multiple cases of the US killing more Japanese civilians in a single day that Israel killed across the entirety of the Gaza War. Not just the nuclear bombings, but multiple events of firebombing of Tokyo, Osaka, Yokohama, and many other cities lead to higher single-day casualty figures than we saw in the Gaza War. Which is why Hamas should not have invaded Israel.
Hamas maximized their own civilian casualties. Their TACTIC was to win your sympathy, which they did, by causing their enemy to kill their own civilians. And, if a Hamas put an AK-47 in the hands of a 16 year-old, that kid was a "child casualty of Israel" when he died. That's how they count it. Oh, and... Hamas reported zero combatant casualties. Yeah. We're supposed to believe that every single Gazan that died in the war was a civilian. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
jon9091
macrumors 6502
Hamas is not “the Palestinians”. But that tells me everything I need to know about your perspective.
Additionally, the section I specifically mentioned referenced attacks and sexual assault before October 7. So your vacuous argument that Israel is the real victim here is a joke. Both sides are guilty. Both sides have a right to exist.
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Why do you keep conflating Hamas and the Palestinian people?
Alameda
macrumors 68000
Right.
And the Nazis weren’t the Germans.
And the Nationalists weren’t the Japanese.
What you cannot seem to understand is that maybe YOU think both sides have a right to exist, but the Palestinians do not think that Israel has a right to exist.
This conflict has nothing to do with how Palestinians have been treated. It has to do with the widespread Arab mentality that Jews cannot have a Jewish nation in the Mideast. That is the thing you refuse to accept. You have invented your own meaning in this conflict, and I am telling you it is false.
When Palestinians chant “from the river to the sea,” take their word for it. That is what they mean… because that is what they are saying. Simple as that.
No Arab country gives food, or electricity or medical care to Israel. But Israel gives all that to the Palestinians. And heaven knows, if Israel doesn’t GIVE them enough, it’s some kind of war crime.
I don’t defend all Israelis. I do not approve of the zealots who are taking over the West Bank. I do not think they should be there at all. But I also know that if they weren’t there, the West Bank Palestinians would be attacking Israel proper.
I think it’s awful that Palestinian leaders have kept their people in poverty and in a state of war for 80 years. It’s terrible. But Israel is not responsible for their poor decisions they are responsible for defending their citizens, Jew, Arab and Christian alike.
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Alameda
macrumors 68000
By your logic, it was a crime for England and Russia to fight back against Nazi Germany. I guess they were supposed to just let Hitler roll his tanks into their countries and conquer their land.
Such logic makes no sense to me.
Alameda
macrumors 68000
Yes you did.
You agreed that the Nazis were not the Germans and the Nationalists were not the Japanese.
And that was in response to someone saying that Hamas is not the Palestinians.
The point is simple: Nations have governments, and when the leaders of a nation starts war with another nation, the people of the nation get killed. That is the nature of war. And when a government deliberately chooses to embed its weapons, military command centers and combatants within civilian infrastructure, then civilians will definitely be killed in the course of war.
Hamas started the Gaza War. Hamas was, and still is, the government of Gaza. Gaza starts war, Gaza gets bombed. That's how war works.
By your logic, it is a crime to fight back against the US and the Israel by Iran, Hezbollah and the Houthis. It is superb to bomb and murder 170+ Iranian school girls aged 7-12 years. Nice logic!
But it’s hip to complain about America that gives you everything.
And it takes balls and courage to criticise a savage theocratic culture with hitmen annd terrorists all around the world who are buying your so called “left wing” politicians and influencers.
Bit hard to avoid when terrorists build their bases in schools and hospitals because they don’t mind dead civilians. They use dead civilians as propaganda props and brush it away by saying “they are going to heaven as martyrs”.
Let’s be clear. God, Satan heaven and hell are absurd theocratic fantasies that should not exist in this century. Nobody should die for fantasies, nobody should use these fantasies to rule over people, nobody should use these fantasies to conquer other cultures.
Yes, in and around Iran, in the GCC countries. You'd know who is the mercenary, and the terrorist. 😉
There appears to be a Jesus at the White Chapel in the US.
I know that you’re just trying to win an internet argument by being comically reductive of what are, in the real world, nuanced and complex geopolitical dynamics.
In any case, no, it’s still not what I said.
Stamping your feet doesn’t make it so.
If you’d like, we could start a new thread where you just tell me what I think on a variety of topics?
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jon9091
macrumors 6502
I’m with Bernie. I’m voting for whoever pledges to defund military aid to Israel. Completely.
The time is long overdue for members of Congress to listen to the American people and end US military aid to the extremist Netanyahu government
www.sanders.senate.gov
The time is long overdue for members of Congress to listen to the American people and end US military aid to the extremist Netanyahu government
No more US military aid to Israel » Senator Bernie Sanders
By: Sen. Sanders; The Guardian The time is long overdue for members of Congress to listen to the American people and end US military aid to the extremist Netanyahu government I am a proud Jewish-American. My father fled Poland in 1921 to escape poverty and antisemitism. Those in his family who...
www.sanders.senate.gov
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
More anti-Semitic nonsense from the Sanders camp. The American people want Israel as our close alley and friend. I’m voting for whoever pledges to up military aid to Israel.I’m with Bernie. I’m voting for whoever pledges to defund military aid to Israel. Completely.
The time is long overdue for members of Congress to listen to the American people and end US military aid to the extremist Netanyahu government
No more US military aid to Israel » Senator Bernie Sanders
By: Sen. Sanders; The Guardian The time is long overdue for members of Congress to listen to the American people and end US military aid to the extremist Netanyahu government I am a proud Jewish-American. My father fled Poland in 1921 to escape poverty and antisemitism. Those in his family who...
jon9091
macrumors 6502
Thankfully, you don’t speak for “the American people”.
NEWS: Sanders Responds to Netanyahu’s Claim that Criticism of the Israeli Government’s Policies is Antisemitic » Senator Bernie Sanders
WASHINGTON, April 25 — Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today released the following statement in response to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s claim yesterday that criticism of the Israeli government’s policies is antisemitic: No, Mr. Netanyahu. It is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas to point out that...
www.sanders.senate.gov
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Thankfully neither do you or Sanders.Thankfully, you don’t speak for “the American people”.
NEWS: Sanders Responds to Netanyahu’s Claim that Criticism of the Israeli Government’s Policies is Antisemitic » Senator Bernie Sanders
WASHINGTON, April 25 — Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today released the following statement in response to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s claim yesterday that criticism of the Israeli government’s policies is antisemitic: No, Mr. Netanyahu. It is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas to point out that...
jon9091
macrumors 6502
I never claimed I did…whereas you did. See the difference? Also…
US views of Israel, Netanyahu more negative in 2026, especially among young adults | Pew Research Center
Views of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu have grown more negative among U.S. adults, with majorities under 50 in both parties rating them poorly.
www.pewresearch.org