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I’m not taking political sides here, but just for a little context diesel was at about $5.81 per gallon back in June 2022, which is still the all-time high. So if we’re going to throw stones about gas prices, probably shouldn’t be doing it from a glass house. Energy prices swing a lot based on global events, not just who’s in office.
That was due to a global crisis. This was purely due to one narcissistical toddler.

One was deliberate and another was a global pandemic. How’s that looking for a glass house? You say context but you glossed over the whole book. Not how it works.
 
Stopping them from having nuclear weapons is a colossal mistake? You'd rather wait til they finish making one and then ask them nicely to not use it?
What nuclear weapons? The U.S. obliterated Irans nuclear capabilities back in June 2025


Experts Agree: Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated

June 26, 2025

From nuclear regulators to foreign policy experts to members of the intelligence community, every knowledgeable person is in agreement that
President Donald J. Trump obliterated Iran’s nuclear facilities.


Obliterate
: destroy utterly; wipe out.
 
And it was way above $5 in California in June 2022 as well. California is an outlier due to their high taxes. The user was clearly referring to national average.
It was beneath $5. This is a cop out on taxes. Taxes are needed for a state to function. California wasn’t counting on a war where Iran was going to weaponize oil across the world (with a president that thwarted moving to EVs). Blaming it on taxes is beyond ridiculous.
 
The only thing the precious JCPOA accomplished was a loosening of sanctions against those lunatics.
And the prevention of enrichment of weapons grade uranium. Which was the point.

If it and the sanctions on them were so good, how come we see ballistic missiles being fired by Iran now?
The obvious answer would be that 45 withdrew from the agreement and eventually attacked them.
 
Not wanting war is reasonable. Pretending Iran isn’t a threat at all isn’t, unless cyberattacks, proxy forces, and targeting U.S. interests suddenly don’t count. You can be anti-war without being anti-reality.
Do you really believe we’re not tackling Iran’s aggressiveness every day? That’s what the intelligence agencies have been up to, thwarting attacks from enemies everyday.

You claim to take no sides but your every argument shows otherwise.
 
I'm not sure why people are giving me articles from sources like the new republic and the daily beast to show me "Iran was never a threat". When I referred to intel, I meant military intelligence. Stuff the media, you and I don't know about. Safe to assume they would know better where the threats are.
By this logic you cannot ever be persuaded that any government action is wrong. For any action they take there must be some secret evidence we can't see, doesn't matter what the rest of everyone says. You believe in the government so there must be evidence for the danger.
 
I'm not happy about the US starting a war with Iran. I'm not falling into the same trap I did during the second Gulf war. The whole phony WMD thing and all that. I'm old and I have a long memory. So I'm skeptical of any use of force internationally.

That being said, two things are on the table.

First. Iran can never ever EVER have nuclear weapons. This regime has been and is dead set on obtaining a nuclear weapon. A nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable. Period. You may disagree with this, but for me this is non negotiable.

Second. Iran repeatedly asserted their ballistic missile program was for purely defensive purposes. This was exposed as (another) lie on Iran's part when they launched two missiles at Diego Garcia approximately 3,800-4,000KM from Iran. Exceeding Iran's "self imposed" 2,000 KM limit.

Now is, Diego Garcia a legitimate target of war? To be honest I would say yes, it is. The US has/can launch strikes on Iran from this base. It's a military instillation from which attacks are being staged. But that's not the point.

The point being, if Iran has missiles or even the technology to build missiles that can reach Diego Garcia, it has the missile technology to reach targets like Rome, Athens, Vienna. Along with potentially Paris and Berlin.

You combine this with the 440Kg of 60% enriched U-235 that Iran has (source IAEA) which can be made weapons grade in a matter of weeks and you have a nation state that is very much potentially nuclear capable with the missile technology to strike major population centers in Europe.

This, again is unacceptable. Iran has the technical capability to produce multiple nuclear weapons. It has the means to deliver those weapons to multiple European targets.

The totality of the circumstances, especially given Iran's behavior on the world stage over the past 40+ years would lead a lot of reasonable people to believe Iran does not have the best of intentions when it comes to it's missile and nuclear programs.

If a nuclear armed Iran with ballistic missiles that can reach European population centers is not acceptable, and Iran will not accept terms that eliminate that threat, what are the options? Either let them have the bomb and the means to use it, or eliminate that threat.

I don't like that the US is bombing another country to hell. War is one thing. Bad. I don't like it. I think it stinks.

But that being said, I see the reason for it. I wish there were better options, but a nuclear armed Iran with said missile technology isn't one of them.
Stop it with all of this logic. Someone on here is saying Iran was not a threat. Just saying it makes it true. 🙃
They think we should just wait until they are like North Korea. Except these folks outwardly express how they would be different (in a worse way) than North Korea. But yeah, no threat, we should just wait until they "are" one.
 
These threads are always helpful when it comes to separating the cultists living in a hermetically sealed disinformation bubble from those who are living in reality and who can think critically. Sadly, the former projects and claims the same of the ladder (despite lacking anything to back such claims).
 
Stop it with all of this logic. Someone on here is saying Iran was not a threat. Just saying it makes it true. 🙃
They think we should just wait until they are like North Korea. Except these folks outwardly express how they would be different (in a worse way) than North Korea. But yeah, no threat, we should just wait until they "are" one.
By no threat they mean no imminent threat that’d warrant sending 10,000 troops into the Middle East right now.
 
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I'm not happy about the US starting a war with Iran. I'm not falling into the same trap I did during the second Gulf war. The whole phony WMD thing and all that. I'm old and I have a long memory. So I'm skeptical of any use of force internationally.

I don't like that the US is bombing another country to hell. War is one thing. Bad. I don't like it. I think it stinks.

But that being said, I see the reason for it. I wish there were better options, but a nuclear armed Iran with said missile technology isn't one of them.
I am always intrigued to read an American's logic when it comes to government affairs. Europeans speak with largely one voice, America has gone mad, the leadership has thrown international law, domestic law and convention out of the window at the say so of a babbling idiot. This is largely England's position, we feel sorry for America and the sabotage on their respectability.

So I read your logic and try to picture how do you get to the position where it America is the good guy in this?

When we look at the invasions of others countries around the world in the last few decades, Vietnam, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Korea, Greenland. It is clear that America is an aggressor. What has Iran done? Funded some groups that don't like Israel, had a big fight with Iraq. There is no evidence that they would behave any worse than America or Israel.
On Day zero, America started an unprovoked, illegal in domestic law, war. Everything after that, Diego Garcia, Qatar, UAE, Straits of Hormuz was consequence, not evidence.

Do we like Iran's treatment of its citizens? Obviously not, they are at least as bad as ICE maybe even worse! But who cares? We in the west live in relative freedom, we are the minority, most countries oppress, to some degree, their citizens, should we invade them all? Of course not.
 
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Exactly and yet there are people saying they have the right to have one as a defense like other countries do. Absolutely not. Cause unlike other countries, they'd push that button the second that it is ready. They don't care about MAD because they want to be martyrs. I am speaking about the Iran leadership obviously.
This. But others on here would have you believe somehow we are the same. The self imposed ignorance is shocking frankly.
 
Still cheaper than June 2022. Get back to me when it's at $5 or above.
Reminds me of that post by The Onion a few days ago...
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Seriously? The US attacks Iran and you don't expect Iran to use all the leverage it has? Of course this is terrorism and despicable on the part of Iran but this is also expected of Iran. Iran has been sponsoring terrorism for decades but apparently the world leaders thought (before Trump) that the terrorism was small scale enough to not be worth the fallout from a full-scale war. The US should have known and planned for this, if they didn't then this is a result of the US choosing to wage war on Iran.
Of course it was expected. That is why the regime cannot be allowed to exist. Continuing to use the analogy I have been… the dude committing S assault cannot be allowed to walk the street freely. It doesn’t matter if he only had a few victims and he will only have a few more. It doesn’t matter if he is armed and someone might get hurt in the arrest. He has to be stopped and an end has to be reached. You don’t blame the police for arresting the dude committing the assault because the dude in his fury of being arrested, shot a bystander. You are supposed to get mad at the dude for the crime of shooting the bystander.

This is the insane non logic some of yall are coming to. “Bad guy is doing bad things… leave him alone or he might do even worse things”. Heck no! Stop him and make sure other people don’t get the same idea. Kicking the can down the road only lets this stuff fester and increase. You are literally telling people go ahead and do bad things, we guarantee we won’t try to stop you because we are afraid you might do something worse.

This is the same logic that has Mexico in the pickle it is in. Let’s not upset the cartels, the bad guys might take hostages (like they do from time to time regardless). Lets just let them go and fester and grow until they are more powerful than the police and military and they start running the country.

This logic does not work. You have to stop these groups and regimes.. yes at all costs, before it costs you everything. There will be sacrifices, there will be horrific things and losses. But each day you kick the can down the road, these potential costs will only increase. This problem should have been dealt with years ago. I voted against the man, but at least he is doing 1 thing I agree with. And yeah in his first term he made the problem worse in some ways. But I’ll take a win now where others have passed it on to the next admin purely to stay politically safe
 
I was told we completely obliterated their capability to obtain a nuclear weapon last year. Were they lying then or lying now?


He completely destroyed 100% of their military too and doesn’t need help, the war is already won, but also help please send ships, but also your ships are like toys and aren’t very good. Why aren’t you helping even though I’ll reiterate we don’t need your help. It’s been noted that you haven’t sent any help. Please send your ships (which aren’t very good by the way) into waters we won’t even send our own navy into.
 
Stop it with all of this logic. Someone on here is saying Iran was not a threat. Just saying it makes it true. 🙃
They think we should just wait until they are like North Korea. Except these folks outwardly express how they would be different (in a worse way) than North Korea. But yeah, no threat, we should just wait until they "are" one.
Joe Kent was Trump's head of National Counterterrorism Center. He quit because of the war. He said Iran posed no immediate threat to the U.S.
 
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