Iran Reportedly Warns Apple is Among Potential Targets

[steve62388]

So you're admitting Iran is a threat?

Every country around the world with the capability is. The US is, the UK, France, Germany, Australia, China, Israel, Japan, Russia, countless others, every single one. The US probably has the largest capability, so I guess that makes them the biggest threat.

But in terms of what you’re trying to get at, the JCPOA was successfully preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons, as confirmed by the IAEA. The answer was always containment, it was working. Then trump ripped it up.

Then they were apparently obliterated by last years bombing. Just a few weeks ago Tulsi Gabbard would not confirm they had nuclear weapons capability (ie they didn’t).

The US has made an absolute mess of this and the reverberations will be felt for years to come, and everyone else will be left picking up the pieces. Just like you did in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya (your track record is appalling).

 

[capamac]

Shortly before (and some more after) this current war, Iran publicly executed over 40,000 of their own people for protesting. You'd think that'd be something that everyone could agree is a bad thing.

Israel and the U.S. commmitted genocide in Gaza, killing at least 70,000 and likely much more.

 

[jon9091]

Now they are saying they need another $200 Billion to fund this war. Why don’t they just get it from the tariff shelf? 🤔

 

[bcortens]

Of course it was expected. That is why the regime cannot be allowed to exist. Continuing to use the analogy I have been… the dude committing S assault cannot be allowed to walk the street freely. It doesn’t matter if he only had a few victims and he will only have a few more. It doesn’t matter if he is armed and someone might get hurt in the arrest. He has to be stopped and an end has to be reached. You don’t blame the police for arresting the dude committing the assault because the dude in his fury of being arrested, shot a bystander. You are supposed to get mad at the dude for the crime of shooting the bystander.

This is the insane non logic some of yall are coming to. “Bad guy is doing bad things… leave him alone or he might do even worse things”. Heck no! Stop him and make sure other people don’t get the same idea. Kicking the can down the road only lets this stuff fester and increase. You are literally telling people go ahead and do bad things, we guarantee we won’t try to stop you because we are afraid you might do something worse.

This is the same logic that has Mexico in the pickle it is in. Let’s not upset the cartels, the bad guys might take hostages (like they do from time to time regardless). Lets just let them go and fester and grow until they are more powerful than the police and military and they start running the country.

This logic does not work. You have to stop these groups and regimes.. yes at all costs, before it costs you everything. There will be sacrifices, there will be horrific things and losses. But each day you kick the can down the road, these potential costs will only increase. This problem should have been dealt with years ago. I voted against the man, but at least he is doing 1 thing I agree with. And yeah in his first term he made the problem worse in some ways. But I’ll take a win now where others have passed it on to the next admin purely to stay politically safe

This war, as currently sold, won't work. It won't topple the regime, it wont result in them never posing a threat in the future, and it wont stop them pursuing a nuclear weapon.

If you really believe war and regime change are the only way to stop Iran then that is going to mean a long protracted war with American boots on the ground and actually doing the hard work to go in and secure the country...

The war (as it is currently being sold) as short easy thing with minimal casualties, is not going to work (~is very very unlikely to work long term but I've been surprised before)

You want me to believe that you are stopping the bad guy from doing bad things, you aren't unless you actually go in and make sure there aren't anymore bad guys running the country. You aren't going to do that with air strikes.

 

[Tim Jobs the 2nd]

Israel and the U.S. commmitted genocide in Gaza, killing at least 70,000 and likely much more.

October 7th, 2023 Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked and killed over 1000 people and raped others. Everything that happened after is because of that day. I also don't believe the number you're presenting since Hamas provided it and they are known terrorists and propagandists.

 

[jon9091]

This is what happens when you take foreign policy advice from Jared Kushner. You know…the dumbest person in America and The President Of The United States should ideally be two different people.

 

[jon9091]

October 7th, 2023 Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked and killed over 1000 people and raped others. Everything that happened after is because of that day. I also don't believe the number you're presenting since Hamas provided it and they are known terrorists and propagandists.

Ah…so Israel never did anything to Hamas prior to that date. Got it.

 

[wanha]

Had to be done. Short term pain for long term peace & gain.

please do explain yourself and don't hold back

 

[capamac]

October 7th, 2023 Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked and killed over 1000 people and raped others. Everything that happened after is because of that day. I also don't believe the number you're presenting since Hamas provided it and they are known terrorists and propagandists.

Many of the Israeli casualties were killed by the IDF due to Israel's "Hannibal Directive."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

 

[Lexdexia]

Maybe the US needs to reign in the israeli regime and tell them to stop committing war crimes and stop targeting Iran's civilian infrastructure? So far the IRGC has only done tit-for-tat retaliatory strikes against the aggressors and avoided unnecessary escalation. It's fair game that American companies (and ones with ties to israel) in the region all become legitimate targets after attacks on Iranian companies.

 

[ChrisMac47]

Shortly before (and some more after) this current war, Iran publicly executed over 40,000 of their own people for protesting. You'd think that'd be something that everyone could agree is a bad thing.

No one is condoning the killing of their own citizens (although I don't know where your 40,000 comes from) but US intervention in other countries affairs has a very mixed history. Why not read up about the Mosaddegh coup and events that followed?

 

[Artemiz]

October 7th, 2023 Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked and killed over 1000 people and raped others. Everything that happened after is because of that day. I also don't believe the number you're presenting since Hamas provided it and they are known terrorists and propagandists.

Seems like a twisted way to support Israel starving children and innocent civilians in Gaza.
Israel gov and Hamas can throw each other off of a bridge for all I care. As of now, Israel government is just as much of a terrorist organization as Hamas itself, if not more.

 

[BaldiMac]

October 7th, 2023 Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked and killed over 1000 people and raped others. Everything that happened after is because of that day. I also don't believe the number you're presenting since Hamas provided it and they are known terrorists and propagandists.

Sure, but you should be able to understand that some of us don’t believe in collective punishment. It being a war crime and all. Killing 20,000 children because someone else killed 1,000 people isn’t morally justified.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Iran's allies will support this. Those allies being Russia, China, North Korea and American liberals

?? American liberals? Remind us again who unilaterally started this unnecessary war.

 

[Tim Jobs the 2nd]

?? American liberals? Remind us again who unilaterally started this unnecessary war.

Well yes, obviously Iran's allies didn't attack them. So thank you for confirming what I said.

 

[bladerunner88]

How about using that same $200B for needless war and $100M for his golf trips to take care of things here at home instead?

And for that short-term pain, why not draft his sons and Netanyahu’s son? You know? Leading by example.

EDIT: My apologies! I almost forgot about the $220M ICE Barbie spent on horses and costumes. That’d have kept kids hunger-free for months.

Exactly, Like for example Prince Harry Serving two Combat Tours in Afghanistan on an Apache Gunship, and his Brother Prince William serving seven years in the Royal Air Force and Navy Flying a SAR Bird including during The Falklands War.

 

[Bokito]

Iran learned from Russia how it works. You want to pressure the president, you pressure the oligarchs that are his lifeline.

Tim Cook was the first person to see how you need to handle Donald Trump and he is doing what he needs to do in his company's best interest, but ultimately it's all for short term wins. In the end there is nothing so volatile as politics, and with a demented narcist who is being fed fake news all day that's even worse and being his friend 1 day can bite you in the ass a day later.

 

[BGrifter]

If you really believe war and regime change are the only way to stop Iran then that is going to mean a long protracted war with American boots on the ground and actually doing the hard work to go in and secure the country...

This is what I can’t get past. A ground invasion and occupation of a country as large as Iran would take an astonishing number of troops and unthinkable levels of casualties. It would be hard, bloody work that would leave America vulnerable on a bunch of other fronts.

It’s a country of 93 million people that’s been preparing to defend against American invasion for 45+ years. A wealthy resource-rich nation that built its governance structures and military productive capacity around this exact scenario.

 

[siddavis]

They aren't stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon. Unless they actually put boots on the ground and go in and force proper regime change the IRGC is just going to dig deeper underground for their next steps in enrichment... all this war is going to do is make them more determined.

You don't think this action will derail their ability to develop a nuclear weapon?
It is also odd to claim that they NOW have an incentive to develop one... as if they haven't been signaling or even outright stating it for a half century. Yeah, it's our fault they are terrorists and we are making them want to be more terroristy. 😏

 

[fenderbass146]

What has been done is replacing the Iranian regime with a worse one. That's a waste of US tax dollars and Iranian lives.

I think that's yet to be seen if it happens at all. The people of Iran really need to take over and thus far I haven't seen much hope.

 

[Artemiz]

You don't think this action will derail their ability to develop a nuclear weapon?
It is also odd to claim that they NOW have an incentive to develop one... as if they haven't been signaling or even outright stating it for a half century. Yeah, it's our fault they are terrorists and we are making them want to be more terroristy. 😏

So they’d been failing for half a century to develop a weapon but now out of the blue are close to decimating US with the push of a button?

 

[siddavis]

You mean these guys?

Yes, this action will result in a more peaceful world overall. Neutering a state sponsor of terror will have that effect.

 

[surferfb]

Shortly before (and some more after) this current war, Iran publicly executed over 40,000 of their own people for protesting. You'd think that'd be something that everyone could agree is a bad thing.

Again, no one is defending the Iran regime here. But there are lots of terrible regimes out there. We don't go to war with all of them. Especially ones in geopolitical critical areas that impact the world economy, when they pose no imminent threat to the United States, without (apparently) stopping to consider what the ramifications of going to war and that Iran might use every level to retaliate.

 

[bcortens]

You don't think this action will derail their ability to develop a nuclear weapon?

I don't think the war as currently pitched will ultimately stop them, it may slow them down, but unless you actually topple the regime and have a friendly one in place it won't stop them. I don't think they are going to be successful in toppling the regime without boots on the ground.

Though I wouldn't rule out a coup from within that coddles up to the US but leaves the country still under the control of corrupt authoritarians (I still think this is unlikely).

It is also odd to claim that they NOW have an incentive to develop one... as if they haven't been signaling or even outright stating it for a half century. Yeah, it's our fault they are terrorists and we are making them want to be more terroristy. 😏

I think they always had the incentive but this makes it a more pressing concern, they have more incentive now than previously and they are likely to be even more secretive and put their facilities deeper underground due to this war.

It is the fault of the US for making them want to be more terroristy because if you only wound them they are going to view additional levels of terror and nuclear weapon acquisition as the only way to avoid being attacked by the US.

The US (IMO) either has to fully go in and take control or it will have to resign itself to a terrorist Iran and even a nuclear Iran at some point in the future.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Had to be done. Short term pain for long term peace & gain.

Sorry but all the folks liking on this comment need to pay better attention. All that has happened is that Iran consolidated to an even more radical national leadership.

Those who think "long term peace & gain" are badly misled by a lying POTUS. What has happened is USA expenditure of military lives and huge munitions expense, weakening the USA's defense capability, disrupting the world energy infrastructure and alienating what used to be USA allies.

My personal expectation is worldwide recession too. We will see.