Exactly.....these tax shelter companies do not have manufacturing jobs in Ireland. In fact I will bet they just have a corporate office with minimal staffing just to say they have a presence in Ireland. The actual jobs these offices provide is very small.
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Ireland Agrees to Appeal European Commission's Apple Tax Ruling
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Its not my opinion, the company I work for and hundreds of other top technology companies have operations in Ireland solely for the tax deals they get through the government. If Ireland can't backstop the deals they are providing then everyone is going to go somewhere more favorable.
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This is ********, we have hundreds of developers in Ireland and I am sure Apple does as well. In fact in 2015 they committed to 1000 new jobs in Ireland from what I have seen.
Generally jobs are moving to places like Portugal and Bulgaria since being poorer they have lower wage bills and housing isn't as expensive as in Dublin.
Netherlands has been fairly popular, although the EU has been stretching into their sovereignty as well. They aren't based in Ireland for the weather.
That's the point. The EU has already gone after the Netherlands and Luxembourg, there's not much choice left.
My bad if I am wrong. Are those developers Apple employees? Would they still be employed regardless of the tax shelter status? I am sure Apple is not going to just uproot and leave Ireland altogether. They just won't have they money stashed there anymore.
I'm sure they're also setting up a fight over state sovereignty vs EU directives.
Who the heck is she or her commission to dictate to any company its internal business decisions?article said:
This whole issue stems from a mentality in Europe generally that the government is entitled to the proceeds of business, not the owners, not the employees, not the management. As far as they are concerned there is no capitalism or personal ownership at all.
They will be truly shocked and harmed when they kill the private sector goose that keeps laying golden eggs, to pay off their gross overspending, over indebtedness, and over printing of money, harming all users of money, especially poor people.
It is a circular self-feeding problem causing more problems, and as with any government, all problems require their further meddling and imposing themselves and their fiscally wrecked policies, further exasperating the societal pain!
We are watching it in slow motion.
Because Apple is Irish company in Europe. France get VATs, but that is a consumer tax, not a company tax. EU is a single market Union, and Ireland has not respected the common rules what all member states have agreed about taxation.
If Ireland feels that it is treated unfairly, it can leave the Union. But so will leave all the companies gathering money from EU.
The point is precisely that if companies continue siphoning away money, countries cannot function properly.
I am sure that if there were an easy unilateral solution, the hole would have already been plugged.
But hey, Google's offices were raided by Spain and France.
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Do you know why many jobs were created in Ireland in the first place? Because they had a well educated but way cheaper workforce, English speaking no less, within the EU at that time..
If France can't work out how to tax economic activity in France maybe it needs to go back to Country 101.
The real problem presumably is the platonic ideal that the EU is a country when it isn't.
It isn't that. The EU provides for transfer pricing between member states so that profits arising from sales in any member state are effectively nullified and all the profits transferred to the holding company, which happens to be based in another member state, Ireland. Nothing France or any other country can do about that unless they can somehow demonstrate that there was no basis for the charges arising from the holding company. This is also how Starbucks basically paid no tax in all the countries it operated.
France and 27 other MEMBERS of the Union.
Every member in the EU has joined there by their free will. They've agreed to play by the rules. Ireland is abusing the huge 500 million people market and giving companies benefits to rip off the continent. The biggest problem here is, that Ireland has not been open about their taxation. They have a public rate of 12.5%. But then they give some companies specialt tax rates, and this is what EC has declared as an illegal state aid. A single market cannot work, if there are rule breakers.
This is the real issue. France and the company secrets make this issues impossible to track, and profits are moved to ireland. Apple payed nothing in taxes here in France (They payed less than 5 millions of corporate tax in 2014). Italy at least recovered some money (around a billion). And now, the Irish don't want to recover anything... that money does not even belong to them in the first place!
It's sad as private companies just do what ever they want with states, lobbying everywhere. Tax havens should be forbidden, and big multinational companies should pay they fair share as all small and medium companies do.
Or because Apple paid their bill in full. Most often, the simple explanation is the real one.