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It's not 2GB, truly, all you see is 1.792 GB of RAM due to the fact 256MB are dedicated exclusively to the GPU; at this age and time, 1.792 GB of RAM is pitiful; no one should have t endure that; unless he/she can't afford more.

I'm not enduring anything, w/ 2GB of RAM this machine runs fantastic for my needs. It boots faster than my 15" MBP and opens most of the normal Applications I use faster as well.
A majority of the people here need to learn to educate themselves on what is needed to serve their purpose. As well I don't need people telling me what is proper for my intended use.
 
Why are people still posting this BS about 4GB ram been essential? Its total crap!

Once you have used the machine you will quickly realise that 2GB is more than sufficent. I realised that after getting mine today, every single post on here by people with the 2GB Air says so and so does every single review of the 2GB Air. Wake up FFS! Listen to the people that own/ have used one.

Because of the SSD it feels very rapid and snappy, so unless you are a very demanding user, you can most likely live without the upgrade.

I've had the Rev B with SSD for 2 years now. My only complaint is the lack of RAM. That's why I am advocating getting the 4GB version and why I've ordered one for myself. The SSD is great for boot times, but if you want to use virtualization, or like to have lots of tabs open in Safari or multitask, then the extra RAM comes in handy. The SSD can only do so much for speed.
 
That isn't the same laptop. Have you used the latest 2010 model with 2GB RAM? If not then stop trying to mislead people.

No because I haven't received it yet. However, virtualization is a RAM-intensive task, and while I'm happy that Apple seems to have fixed the heat issues that led to throttling, RAM is relatively cheap, and it seems to me that the extra $100 is well worth it, particularly since it can't be upgraded later. If it could, I'd absolutely argue trying out a 2GB configuration.
 
No because I haven't received it yet. However, virtualization is a RAM-intensive task, and while I'm happy that Apple seems to have fixed the heat issues that led to throttling, RAM is relatively cheap, and it seems to me that the extra $100 is well worth it, particularly since it can't be upgraded later. If it could, I'd absolutely argue trying out a 2GB configuration.

Again your speculating on something you have not tried for yourself yet. So no you don't know and have no business lending comment to this topic
 
Again your speculating on something you have not tried for yourself yet. So no you don't know and have no business lending comment to this topic

So no one has any business on commenting unless they purchase a product?

Anyway, having used an SSD (and even the old SSD is significantly faster than a hard drive), and having used virtualization with 2GB, I think I can say with certainty that there are limits. Even the new SSDs in the new models are still only 1/20th the speed of RAM. If you run out of RAM you run out of RAM and it starts paging to the disk. If I had to choose between a 2.13GHz with 2GB and a 1.86GHz with 4GB (the same price), I'd go with the latter. Neither the CPU nor the RAM are upgradable later, but given that the CPU is least likely to be the bottleneck, I view extra RAM as a wise decision and one more likely to "future proof" a computer running a modern operating system.
 
Again your speculating on something you have not tried for yourself yet. So no you don't know and have no business lending comment to this topic

Considering KPOM is right…
Well, I don't want to risk another "insulting members" infraction.
 
Agreed.

I wonder how many of these folks who say you NEED to get 4gigs of ram actually open up 'activity monitor' and watch ram usage.

For anyone who wants to know if they NEED extra ram, just open up 'activity monitor', use your mac like you always do, and keep an eye on your ram usage and the amount of free ram, if any you usually have.

If you discover you always have plenty of free ram available, then you don't NEED 4 gigs of ram, no matter what anyone here tells you.

I have Safari (with 10 tabs open), Entourage, and Activity Monitor open right now. I have about 20MB RAM free on my Rev B.
 
I'm sure people have different usage patterns but anyone who says that everyone needs 4GB RAM is over-generalizing.

I bought the MacBook Air for light use: web surfing, listening to a few tunes, sharing photos, and word processing. With 3 Chrome tabs, iPhoto, Pages, and iTunes open, my 11" Air is using 1.13 GB of RAM. 2 GB would seem adequate for many users.

Yup, $100 isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but more often than not, I've paid for capacity that I haven't used. Considering that it's also 10% of the price of a computer that I'll likely replace in 2 years, I'd rather get what I need today and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Mike
 
Folks, what people are saying is a massively increased perceived speed is wholly the SSD. That's the secret sauce, and it is nothing that Apple did short of them choosing to use quality parts which they did not invent. The 2 gb Ram limit is neither better nor worse than the last generation.The SSD doesn't have a real benefit on how many apps can be run simultaneously before the laptop slows down unless you count the fact that it allows virtual ram to be accessed faster.

There's nothing magical here. What is magical is that Apple has made people aware of the importance of hard drive access speed in usability of a computer. The processor is completely overrated, as evidenced by the fact that the Core 2 Duo is still plenty fast for most everyone out there, and people are saying that the new macbook air flies.
 
As an owner of a RevB SSD, I would not touch another MBA w/out 4gb. I really don't care what anyone says. If you are doing Virtualization it's a no brainer.

x2. Figure you can devote about half the RAM tops to a virtual machine. 1GB just isn't enough for Windows 7, especially considering that leaves only about 768MB for OS X.
 
There's nothing magical here. What is magical is that Apple has made people aware of the importance of hard drive access speed in usability of a computer. The processor is completely overrated, as evidenced by the fact that the Core 2 Duo is still plenty fast for most everyone out there, and people are saying that the new macbook air flies.

x2. Not many people had the Rev A or Rev B bought SSDs because of the price differential. I did spring for the SSD back then, so I know how much of a difference flash memory can make. Even a slow SSD is light years faster at reading than a fast hard drive. It's simple physics. Electrons are faster than mechanical parts.

I'm expecting another nice boost (even though the paper specs don't look that different) because it appears that Apple has fixed the heating issues and put in a faster SSD. That said, I also think 4GB is a good choice. No, not everyone "needs" 4GB (I've managed with 2GB for the past 3 years), but with 4GB I expect not to need to boot into Boot Camp as often or run into a spinning beach ball when I have a lot of tabs in Safari and Outlook 2011 running.
 
I'm sure people have different usage patterns but anyone who says that everyone needs 4GB RAM is over-generalizing.

But that's not what I'm saying. I did say that those wanting to use virtualization "need" 4GB since 2GB will be used up pretty quickly.
 
Folks, what people are saying is a massively increased perceived speed is wholly the SSD. That's the secret sauce, and it is nothing that Apple did short of them choosing to use quality parts which they did not invent. The 2 gb Ram limit is neither better nor worse than the last generation.The SSD doesn't have a real benefit on how many apps can be run simultaneously before the laptop slows down unless you count the fact that it allows virtual ram to be accessed faster.

There's nothing magical here. What is magical is that Apple has made people aware of the importance of hard drive access speed in usability of a computer. The processor is completely overrated, as evidenced by the fact that the Core 2 Duo is still plenty fast for most everyone out there, and people are saying that the new macbook air flies.

I agree with you. The NAND Flash and attaching it to the board less a standard SATA-II connector is making it faster. It will probably end up being a lot faster than SATA-II as it will not have the bandwidth limitations built into it.

However, there is some change to the functionality allowing the 30 hours of standby instead of people shutting down and turning on with each use. The instant on isn't available via a standard SSD either... so there is some software integration making it better...

Those who already used an SSD will not see a drastic improvement in speed initially, but I guarantee you the drivers running the control of the NAND Flash can improve the speed further with additional OS X updates. For example, the OS X updates have taken the v 2,1 MBA's SSD and made them about 2x and more faster than when released.

I have been hopeful Apple would do this for a while. I think I guessed this as much as a year ago as a way to speed up every Mac. My thought of what Apple would do is use maybe 64 GB NAND Flash in every Mac soldered to the board.

The purpose would be to run the OS and applications. Then, these Macs would also have hard disk drives or SSDs to allow media and other files to be saved via a cheaper medium. I believe that is what will happen with ALL of the other Macs as each one gets updated. It makes so much sense. It also takes a lot of apps and a huge OS to fill 64 GB NAND Flash.

With the MBA, the whole storage solution is the NAND because Apple is trying to lighten up the load, reduce space requirements, and increase battery performance.

Overall though, it is the NAND Flash (similar to SSDs) that has made it so incredibly fast for all coming from HDDs. The price is finally low enough that Apple can make these amazing Macs. It is going to get even better, as Apple will keep improving drivers too.

I hope people who buy these MBAs realize there are much easier and better ways to speed up Macs than just using a new Intel processor that's smaller, faster, or a new model. In all honesty, it is the drive controller that is the bottleneck on computers today, so reduce the limitation of the bottleneck and the benefits can be remarkable.

Apple needs to work on improving software, integrating more RAM standard, use faster RAM, taking advantage of GPUs with more and better use of OpenCL by making it easier for developers to include use of it in applications, provide better OpenGL drivers/performance, and the list truly goes on and on. About the least update necessary is the CPU, and Apple knew it and gave us all the update we needed rather than the update we wanted (which would have provided a worse experience overall).
 
I would HIGHLY recommend 4GB. It's the best $100 spent on an Air.If you ask me, I think Apple should have limited the 2GB version to the 11" with the 64GB SSD, which is obviously a "second computer" intended to hit a price point. The others should come with 4GB standard.

I agree 100%, 4GB is a must unless you have a massive amount of patience for a slow machine.

It's really irritating that Apple is no better than the other manufacturers when it comes to offering the standard unit with so little ram. Especially in this case since it's not easily user upgradeable.

Yes... I know, they do it to keep the price of the computer down but still, why not set a higher standard since Apple is a premier company.
 
Picked up an 11.6 with 2GB on Sunday. I purchased this to replace my iPad. So far I have been thrilled. Surfing, spreadsheets, word, and movies is about all I will do with it. 2GB is plenty for me.
 
Picked up an 11.6 with 2GB on Sunday. I purchased this to replace my iPad. So far I have been thrilled. Surfing, spreadsheets, word, and movies is about all I will do with it. 2GB is plenty for me.

My feeling exactly. Ive had an ipad since april but was never particularly enamored with it - due to the os limitatiins. But i would use it, when i wasnt in the mood to lug the 15" mbp. Now with the 11" air, the ipad is dead to me. I'll never go back to it. For me, the 11" mba is an 'ipad killer'
 
Another vote for 4gb, if for nothing else, for the flexibility in the future. You'll not be able to upgrade the ram later, so the minor cost of going to 4gb is money well spent, imo.

OSX can and will use it, the 4gb, will reduce the page outs and make the MBA feel more snappy©
 
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I got 2gb ram and have found this machine comparatively as fast as my 4gb MacBook pro it really zips through things. I was beginning to worry I had bought the wrong amount of ram reading some of comments here but am delighted with performance and it's way faster than the huge pc I am forced to use at work.
 
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