I'm with you there. 2013 will be last year Apple will be able to not have a card slot on the iOS devices, after that they will have to address cards or lose a huge chunk of the tablet market.
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Is 8GB too small for iPad mini?
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I'm with you there. 2013 will be last year Apple will be able to not have a card slot on the iOS devices, after that they will have to address cards or lose a huge chunk of the tablet market.
? Tim is the same guy that sold the 8gb Touch and the 64gb MBA and the 2gb RAM MBA and the 512mb Macbook and the $1200 iMac with integrated graphics. All when those specs weren't desirable.
No one is arguing otherwise. That the specs are desirable. No one is saying that $100 for 8gb flash isn't overpriced.
But you don't get it. Apple does this sort of thing. Has done it. And will continue to do it. Nothing says otherwise.
So saying they won't because it isn't desirable is absurd. Saying they won't because they will get bad press is absurd. Just look at their past pricing and specs on low end models. Look at Maps. Look at Antenna gate. Using your argument Cook would never release Maps because it would get bad press. Yet he did. Apple gets bad press all the time for overcharging for more memory and storage. What is this bad press anyway? That Apple is over priced? OR too expensive? That is what the press says now and has said for decades.
Yes Apple makes huge profit margins. No one said otherwise. But the low end models make less than desired while the hi-end models make up for it. All in the name of getting to their desired hi-profit margin model. That's why they charge alot for the extra RAM and storage.
So what are we arguing about?
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No such thing as 8GB
Apple will not release an iPad or any other future product at 8GB. the starting GB is 16 followed by 32 then 64GB. 8GB will not store anything.
Apple will not release an iPad or any other future product at 8GB. the starting GB is 16 followed by 32 then 64GB. 8GB will not store anything.
If Moore's Law has taught us anything, it's that...
You can never have too much Processing power or Memory. I'll add that broadband can never be too wide in a ubiquitous/ pervasive computing world.
You can never have too much Processing power or Memory. I'll add that broadband can never be too wide in a ubiquitous/ pervasive computing world.
Right now on the Apple store the only iPhone 4 size available is 8GB. Clearly they don't mind doing this as a rock-bottom low budget option.
Just because they sell a two generation old phone with 8 GB as the free with contract phone doesnt mean that they are going to do a Tablet (which needs more space) as an 8 GB device.
Anyone contemplating getting an 8GB tablet might want to consider whether or not they can do without major iOS updates because iOS 6 may likely be the end of the road. It could be done but some tough decisions would have to be made as far as space management goes.
Luckily Apple will save these people from themselves.
Luckily Apple will save these people from themselves.
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I won't even post your rubbish numbers again. The difference between retail price and cost of parts is not profit.
I didn't say they would, so don't put me on that side. I was responding to a specific quote "No such thing as 8GB", and pointed out that there is such thing. That's all.
Personally, I don't think they'll do an 8GB tablet either. Heck, iOS6 + default apps alone are about 2.2GB installed.
No, it is not sufficient . Actually I had an iPad mini 8GB and I used its complete memory with-in a month. So, I sold it. and now I have iPad mini 64GB.
I have an iPod classic 160gb. No need for storage. I don't store more then a gig or two of music on my iPhone or iPad and only store one or two movies on the iPad and deleat them once watched. But every one is different so it's nice that Apple offers choices.
You've got a lot to learn. If companies don't make money they don't stay in business. And if you rely on product sales for a revenue source 2% is absolutely terrible. I wouldn't produce a product if it were to basically only cover the costs of manufacturing it.
Apple is in the dark ages with regards to memory. There is no reason that the top of the line phone/iPad is still only 64 gigs and costs $200 more than the 16 gig version. Memory is dirt cheap. I can go to Frys and pick up a 64-gig thumb drive for $30.
It strikes me as very odd that the distinguishing feature between cheaper and premium models is a modest difference in gigs of memory. Memory is just not that expensive. I could see screen resolution being a factor or chip speed or pre-loaded professional-grade apps. But memory?
There should only be one model of iPhone and iPad, each with 300 gigs of memory. Find a price that's somewhere between what they currently charge for the 16 and the 32. That would be top-of-the-line and would be a fantastic rebuttal to all the "but there's no expansion port" arguments.
It strikes me as very odd that the distinguishing feature between cheaper and premium models is a modest difference in gigs of memory. Memory is just not that expensive. I could see screen resolution being a factor or chip speed or pre-loaded professional-grade apps. But memory?
There should only be one model of iPhone and iPad, each with 300 gigs of memory. Find a price that's somewhere between what they currently charge for the 16 and the 32. That would be top-of-the-line and would be a fantastic rebuttal to all the "but there's no expansion port" arguments.
I won't even post your rubbish numbers again. The difference between retail price and cost of parts is not profit.
Im not stupid, I know there is R&D, marketing, etc...
If you read my post, I was commenting about the difference in the margin between the capacities. Because they are charging $100 for the additional storage space. That actually only costs $10 or so.
If they start the iPad Mini with 8 GB for $250, and the 16 GB version for $350... That would be even worse... paying $100 for an addition 8 GB?!?
It is amazing, it seems the only way to not deal with comments like yours, is either to not post anything at all, or write an essay with every post making sure to cover every angle.
I have no idea why Apple has not provided a SD slot for extra storage, other than to 'force' purchasers to buy larger internal storage at outrageous prices....
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They already have goofy prices for storage upgrades, current iPad prices (wi-fi only):
16GB - $499
32GB - $599
64GB - $699
First additional 16GB costs $100, the next 32GB costs ...... $100
8Gbs means only 6.9GB of actual useable space, which is absolutely inadequate. I had hoped with apple no longer offering an 8GB nano and finally moving the ipod to 16GB base models AND with the sucessful sales of past generation iphones, Apple may have finally run out of an obvious overstock of 8GB chips (someone hit too many zero's when they placed the order). but it looks like the 8GB iPad Mini will suffer with the remaing 8GB chips, hopefully for only a year though. 16GB is really the minimum these days.
I don't know what Apple will or won't do...I only know what I will or won't do...
And what I won't do is buy any devise with only 8 GB and I won't pay $100 for an extra 8GB....
I am glad Apple is making a mini ipad, but if these rumored specs and prices are true, they'll have missed the mark with this educated consumer...
If that's the case, what I will do is buy a couple of Nexus 7s....
And what I won't do is buy any devise with only 8 GB and I won't pay $100 for an extra 8GB....
I am glad Apple is making a mini ipad, but if these rumored specs and prices are true, they'll have missed the mark with this educated consumer...
If that's the case, what I will do is buy a couple of Nexus 7s....
I think that 8GB is great. I barely use that much on my iPad 3 16GB. I'm glad Apple will make one with 8GB to present a lower price point.
if you put media on it, it will probably fill up rather quickly. Any videos or music tend to take up a lot of space.
About 8/10 people use less than 2GB on their iPhones, I'm sure an 8GB iPad would be fine for them. I work in a phone store, everyone wants an iPhone but a majority don't know why
That is horrible math right there. So basically you're saying majority of the iPhone owners have no idea what the heck they have? Nice joke.
My friend who knows nothing about computers and tech in general has less than 500MB on her phone from picture and apps.
8/10 people you know probably doesn't use more than 2GB, but not the whole world. I will agree that a lot of people don't know what they have on their hands. But not 8/10.
I fully expect them to release an 8GB model for $249, possibly $299 - because that's the arrogant crap Apple does. They'll give you just enough to be useless hopefully pushing you to a bigger model.
Although with the new Touch, they even stopped that charade and just forced everybody into a 32 gig model. (A $199 16 model would have been fantastic...but nah, didn't happen.)
Memory prices are dirt cheap. Apple probably could have made a 32 gig base model iPhone for $199 and got the same profit per unit as the iPhone 4....but they aren't going to leave that cash on the table. As a consumer I hate it. From a logic standpoint, I don't blame them. Their goal is to maximize the money they make for their shareholders. Especially when people get a warm and fuzzy feeling when they hear how much profit Apple makes. When they quarterly statements on MacRumors, people fall all over themselves fawning. Somehow I don't think they share the same excitement when Exxon or GE make big profits.
Rumors are Nexus is already planning to introduce a 32 gig model at the $299 price point and make their 16 gig model the $199 version.
In most rational universes a $299 8 gig mini would be DOA. But it's Apple...and people will line up to get it.
And as any parent who's bought their kid an 8 gig "free on contract" iPhone will tell you - that space gets eaten up in a heartbeat.
I would hope and dream that Apple would release the lowest end model at 16 gig for $249-$299 (who am I kidding, it's Apple, it'll be $299)....but if they can't do a 16 gig model for under 3 bills, I'll buy the Nexus the second the keynote is over.
Although with the new Touch, they even stopped that charade and just forced everybody into a 32 gig model. (A $199 16 model would have been fantastic...but nah, didn't happen.)
Memory prices are dirt cheap. Apple probably could have made a 32 gig base model iPhone for $199 and got the same profit per unit as the iPhone 4....but they aren't going to leave that cash on the table. As a consumer I hate it. From a logic standpoint, I don't blame them. Their goal is to maximize the money they make for their shareholders. Especially when people get a warm and fuzzy feeling when they hear how much profit Apple makes. When they quarterly statements on MacRumors, people fall all over themselves fawning. Somehow I don't think they share the same excitement when Exxon or GE make big profits.
Rumors are Nexus is already planning to introduce a 32 gig model at the $299 price point and make their 16 gig model the $199 version.
In most rational universes a $299 8 gig mini would be DOA. But it's Apple...and people will line up to get it.
And as any parent who's bought their kid an 8 gig "free on contract" iPhone will tell you - that space gets eaten up in a heartbeat.
I would hope and dream that Apple would release the lowest end model at 16 gig for $249-$299 (who am I kidding, it's Apple, it'll be $299)....but if they can't do a 16 gig model for under 3 bills, I'll buy the Nexus the second the keynote is over.
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we are planning on playing games and using a variety of apps the I would go with at least the 16gb. It's always nice to have a little wiggle room just in case
I said 8/10 people don't use more than 2GB, not 8/10 people don't know what phone they have. There is a difference there.
When you work in a phone store and actually deal with what people buy, you can make your own statistics. I don't work in an Apple store and the store I'm in is an 'affluent' area, it could be the demographic but that's my experience.
These aren't people I know, these are just general people.
Yes, a lot of people don't know what phone they have, just that they got it 'free' on their last plan or that they're paying $x for it.
In saying that, there are people who do use more and know what capacity they want and don't need to be checked, but those people have been taken into account. Early adopters generally go for bigger sizes.
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