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Carrier Is anyone else thinking about moving away from Apple?
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I’ll just leave this here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/disenchanted-after-a-decade.2305282/post-30120050
True lol. I'm not sure people want major upgrades yearly anymore. I'd rather have a relevant iPhone for a few years.
Moving away from Apple products ? NO .. don't think so. But, having said that, I will not be the one to keep refreshing products every year. iphones for me a good for 30 months or so, iPad 36 months and macbook .. till it really dies ...
Apple watch as well, refresh till it dies.. the only use I have for apple watch is activity monitoring and nothing more.
so i will stay with these products but, refresh only when its needed ..
Apple watch as well, refresh till it dies.. the only use I have for apple watch is activity monitoring and nothing more.
so i will stay with these products but, refresh only when its needed ..
If you want flashy gimmicks and terrible buggy os , switch , be my guest
I value reliability, safety and quality above all else
Thats why I’ve been a mac user for almost 30 years and iPhone user since the 4
I value reliability, safety and quality above all else
Thats why I’ve been a mac user for almost 30 years and iPhone user since the 4
No I understand you cant innovate every year and I've never updated every year anyway. I feel there's enough changing between my 11 and 13 to make it worthwhile, the same with my watch 4 to 7.
I also don't believe innovating for the sake of innovating is worthwhile. Take folding phones for example I personally just done see a use case for them. I would much prefer a refined mature product than to just have change for changes sake.
I also don't believe innovating for the sake of innovating is worthwhile. Take folding phones for example I personally just done see a use case for them. I would much prefer a refined mature product than to just have change for changes sake.
You can really predict what kind of threads appear right after the event: bleh colors, bleh features, moving away from Apple etc.
the 13 is downright insulting to people who will upgrade from a 12. this has to be the weakest iPhone improvement we've ever seen.
apple no longer reliable for privacy
stupid notch
apple store under monopoly/antitrust attack
"new" watch has no new features
innovation completely gone.
apple no longer reliable for privacy
stupid notch
apple store under monopoly/antitrust attack
"new" watch has no new features
innovation completely gone.
I fail to see how being offered the opportunity to buy a device can be construed as insulting. Either buy it or don't nobody is spitting in your mothers face either way.
because they still cant even deliver features that have been on android or 100$ chinese phones for 5 years already.
I agree with this..in my opinion, hardware wise whatever we could bring in on a cellular device, i think a lot of it is already there, Think innovation is now needed on the software side ..
All this hype about neural engine and what not, for an average user its just good for first few days and then the phone just performs what it is suppose to do..communicate, play and capture pictures.. and almost all iphones are pretty good at it..espeically day time photos.
I am using both and both platforms have its perks. There is a lot of stuff that I wish iOS would copy from Android and the other way around. One thing is changing the quick access apps on the lock screen. I do not need a camera icon when you can do the same by just swiping to the left for instance. I also like the under the screen fingerprint scanner, especially in the summer when my sun glasses do not work with faceid.
The main reason to switch would be to try something new and fresh I guess. To be honest, iPhone is so matured, I fail to see a reason to upgrade. You always go back, using the exact same apps on the very same Home Screen every single year anyway. I remember when iOS limited certain things to the latest device, but that is no longer really the case.
The main reason to switch would be to try something new and fresh I guess. To be honest, iPhone is so matured, I fail to see a reason to upgrade. You always go back, using the exact same apps on the very same Home Screen every single year anyway. I remember when iOS limited certain things to the latest device, but that is no longer really the case.
So go buy one of those. You happy because you got the features you so desperately want and need, me happy because I don't have to read your complaints. Win, win really.
Privacy is another thing but honestly, if we cannot trust Apple then not sure whom to trust ? Facebook, Google ??
I think more we are going digital, the more we are giving up on privacy.
for people who enjoyed watching Blacklist, i guess if we want privacy then we need to use phones like Red did and use audio tapes for music and podcasts 😃
I had an iPhone 12 Pro Max earlier this year , however I sold it and currently using a Pixel 5. I prefer the form factor of the Pixel 5 to be honest. Looking at the 13 Pro though but I'm going to miss the AOD of the Pixel 5. Or do I get the Pixel 6 ?
You shouldn’t upgrade every year, you won’t see much difference. Plus the 12 was not much different to the 11 bar squared sides.
I'm not aiming this comment at you, but I've seen this said several times about "enjoying" your iphone.
I personally don't care about enjoying my phone. I want it to be as functional and useful as possible to make sure all the things I need to do with it, can be done as easily and smoothly as possible.
I feel that Apple have somewhat forgotten this point. They haven't bothered to give us TouchID or an updated FaceID that work with masks. The whole world has been dominated by a virus and yet the only thing Apple does to work around it is... you can now open your phone with your watch (a year after the fact mind you). Yes, that's great and I find it convenient, but what about the apps on your phone that all use FaceID to sign in? What's the point of FaceID if you can't use it in everyday life half the time?
Instead we get a sh*tty blue colored phone with a decent camera bump, promotion and better battery life. Don't get me wrong. It's a very capable and solid piece of kit.
Useful things like opening your phone with a mask on, Always on display, TouchID, a far better solution to the notch (which is deeper now and actually cuts into the screen more than before). NONE of these issues have been addressed. What is wrong with Apple's phone division? They live in fantasy land and are out of touch with the vast majority of people who buy their products. I feel like this phone is made for Tech reviewers on Youtube who will go bonkers over the cameras and video functions.
Anyway, that's my rant! Haha. In saying all that, I'll be getting a 13 Pro Max. Why? Because I have to upgrade as the wife's phone is on its last legs, so she's getting the XS Max. Otherwise I'd be sitting tight for next year.
We had enough hints to know it was just going to be an incremental upgrade. The watch delay had been predicted and the iPhone 13 is just a tweaked 12. Having said that the 12 is a brilliant phone so a tweaked one can't be bad. I will be buying the watch though my phone (11) is still fine so I will wait for the next cycle. The event was nicely presented.
I still don't understand how that's insulting, go buy a cheap phone and be happy in life.
I'm at the camp where having both platforms are better than putting everything in just one. I have been an Android user since the beginning of the smartphone era. However, now I also use an iPhone (7+), mainly for my banking apps. I still use my Galaxy S21 as my primary phone, but I will keep an iPhone for more sensitive apps (eg. financial).
It's worse in my country, where iPhone prices are way marked up beyond their original positioning in the US. So I will be looking at older iPhones at a discount. I bought my 7+ in early 2020, after the phone has long been discontinued in the US (but it's still being sold brand new officially in my country). I'll be looking for a cheap XR if I want to upgrade. The long software support of iPhones does help.
It's worse in my country, where iPhone prices are way marked up beyond their original positioning in the US. So I will be looking at older iPhones at a discount. I bought my 7+ in early 2020, after the phone has long been discontinued in the US (but it's still being sold brand new officially in my country). I'll be looking for a cheap XR if I want to upgrade. The long software support of iPhones does help.
Wait, I'm an Android fan, but you probably have not used a $100 Android phone. They're okay for the price, but they are not comparable to iPhones. (eMMC storage, 2MP useless macro/depth cameras, old and slow SoCs with core A53).
Mid-range Android, I can argue for, but the $100 range phones are not quite there yet.
Definitely not buying a (non low end) iPhone but not leaving Apple either. My main phone is an Android and have an iPhone SE2 on the second line to play with it, check out iOS in a phone format etc. But if I upgrade the main phone next year it will be an Android, most likely Samsung. Even here in Europe it is the main choice if you don't want Xiaomi, Oppo, Realme etc. and higher end Samsung's are better value for money than OnePlus "Pro" series (Pixel is not sold outside of like 4 countries)
But when it comes to tablet it will be not possible to deter me from the iPad's. I am about to upgrade it in the coming months, most likely to the mini 6 (the new one). Using iPad's since 2013 and found no suitable alternative for me (in 2016 I bought one of the Surface tablets, but it sucked, even with the keyboard)
My computer is a 2019 Dell Latitude, when it is about to be replaced (not sooner than 2024, unless it dies, which is unlikely), I might consider one of the Apple silicon powered Macbooks, depending on what is on offer.
But when it comes to tablet it will be not possible to deter me from the iPad's. I am about to upgrade it in the coming months, most likely to the mini 6 (the new one). Using iPad's since 2013 and found no suitable alternative for me (in 2016 I bought one of the Surface tablets, but it sucked, even with the keyboard)
My computer is a 2019 Dell Latitude, when it is about to be replaced (not sooner than 2024, unless it dies, which is unlikely), I might consider one of the Apple silicon powered Macbooks, depending on what is on offer.
Not really. Still the best phone & ecosystem out there.
You just have to come to terms with the fact that this year was an incremental update in all aspects - OS and devices (still hoping for the Macbook event to be pretty cool, if the rumors of it happening within the next 2 months are true).
Yes, Android is getting a shiny new facelift this year but at it's core it's still the same thing people ditch in favor of iPhones. You still get left behind when it comes to system updates, you still get pre-installed crap that can't be removed (Samsung used to do this with Facebook app, not sure if they stopped), store-exclusive apps so that you need like 3 "App Stores" installed to get the apps you want (boggles my mind some iPhone users actually want this, it's a damn mess) and so on...
As far as options, Huawei is banned, Xiaomi has so-so localization, their own crappy apps, ads integrated into the OS as far as I know and is basically a bootleg iPhone so that's a no for me, Motorola is focused on low-end, Samsung charges brand-fee (read: is overpriced) and then loses half it's value within a year, OnePlus used to be cool, now with it's price creep it's less so and so you're left with Google Pixels, which on the surface sounds pretty good, quick updates, straight from the source... except it's Google. The company that lives off of feeding you targetted ads. No thanks.
You just have to come to terms with the fact that this year was an incremental update in all aspects - OS and devices (still hoping for the Macbook event to be pretty cool, if the rumors of it happening within the next 2 months are true).
Yes, Android is getting a shiny new facelift this year but at it's core it's still the same thing people ditch in favor of iPhones. You still get left behind when it comes to system updates, you still get pre-installed crap that can't be removed (Samsung used to do this with Facebook app, not sure if they stopped), store-exclusive apps so that you need like 3 "App Stores" installed to get the apps you want (boggles my mind some iPhone users actually want this, it's a damn mess) and so on...
As far as options, Huawei is banned, Xiaomi has so-so localization, their own crappy apps, ads integrated into the OS as far as I know and is basically a bootleg iPhone so that's a no for me, Motorola is focused on low-end, Samsung charges brand-fee (read: is overpriced) and then loses half it's value within a year, OnePlus used to be cool, now with it's price creep it's less so and so you're left with Google Pixels, which on the surface sounds pretty good, quick updates, straight from the source... except it's Google. The company that lives off of feeding you targetted ads. No thanks.
I think in regards to discussion of this implementation, there needs to be some context, because the answers differ.Yes. They're simply taking longer to implement it
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When we ask about it in the context of "Are you upset Apple is doing this?" then I think we should hold Apple to a high standard, as high as you care to place it. I see people more upset, people less upset, people on the fence, and people not at all upset, and there are good, thoughtful reasons for it up and down the spectrum.
But when we ask about it in the context of "Would you opt not to use an iPhone because Apple is doing this?" then that standard changes. If privacy matters to you (and if you're not going to give up using modern smart phones completely) then Apple need not be held to the highest standard: they need to be held to the Google standard. Are iPhones more privacy-protecting than Android phones? That's a much lower bar to clear.
In threads discussing the implementation in the first context, I often see arguments from the second. "They're better than Google" is not a valid answer for "Are you upset Apple is doing this?" yet I see it all the time. Really what those arguments are trying to say is, "Privacy doesn't matter to me, so I'm not upset." But to frame the "Are you considering switching from iPhone to Android over this issue" then you've got to throw out the high standard. Is Apple better than Google on the privacy issue? That's the appropriate context for a thread like this.
Oh, and to stay on topic at the end, no, I'm not giving up iPhones.
