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I'd hardly say that... But the thing I've seen with High Sierra is that it's Apple's first attempt to start moving people over to the new APFS filesystem. Changing a whole file system is almost always a process that has some glitches or issues for a certain number of people.

On top of that? Apple really muddied the waters with the APFS rollout by not having it ready for use with Fusion drive configurations. (It just leaves those systems alone and doesn't attempt to convert them, which is fine -- but makes people feel like APFS isn't "ready for prime time yet".)

This AppleInsider article gives you some insight on why APFS is better:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...erra-apfs-benefits-end-users-with-space-speed

Among other things, they noted their test Mac booted up about 25% faster under APFS.

I've also noticed some more obscure changes with High Sierra over Sierra when using it in a corporate environment. For example? It used to be, if I connected to our office network by setting up a software "L2TP" VPN connection in Sierra? It worked fine, except I couldn't actually do the whole process of joining a new Mac to the Windows domain. It always threw error messages while attempting it. I had to make sure I was physically in our office, attached to the local network, if I wanted to do that initial one-time step of adding the Mac to the domain. In High Sierra, it worked for me - which tells me they improved some aspects of Windows networking and properly routing things over the VPN tunnel when one is set up.

Where I found High Sierra most frustrating is with the initial upgrade process from Sierra. Again, on our corporate Macs, we encountered some oddities -- including people's user profiles seeming to get mangled up on their machines, sometimes day or even a week after they moved to High Sierra. They could just create a whole new user account and put back their dock icons, software configuration settings, desktop background, and so forth -- and be back up and running.But something seemed to be getting damaged with migrating over their existing settings. Didn't always happen either. Only randomly.


I'm sticking to sierra as high sierra sounds like a piece of crap
 
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I have 13 2017 macbook pro.I have updated from Sierra to high sierra from HS+ to aps and after 10.13.2 update i noticed increased spinning beach ball,either surfing with open 5-6 tabs or in PS. Then i reinstalled 10.13.3 from scratch and i don't notice beach ball spinning anymore. Maybe that is best solution.Reinstall from scratch
 
I have 13 2017 macbook pro.I have updated from Sierra to high sierra from HS+ to aps and after 10.13.2 update i noticed increased spinning beach ball,either surfing with open 5-6 tabs or in PS. Then i reinstalled 10.13.3 from scratch and i don't notice beach ball spinning anymore. Maybe that is best solution.Reinstall from scratch

How about overall performance, temperatures, etc? I'm considering doing a clean install, but its a PITA.
 
Everything is the same as on sierra,except copy paste,pasting in instant due to APS. Main reason for me is H.265 support on Kaby lake and ex GPU support
 
I have to use a third party app to copy files bigger than 2G from a USB drive to a USB flash disk. Not good when it used to work well. Does no one else have this issue?

I rip my BluRays to an external drive as a library then copy a few to USB key for media consumption on my tv. The need to NOT use Finder is a pain. First World Problem but seems silly when it's always just worked before upgrading to HS. :(
 
I had major issues with the first public versions of High Sierra on my Mac Pro 2013 (which is still considered current in the Apple line-up) and had to downgrade back to Sierra when working with Video and Final Cut Pro X (my living).

Sierra seems stable, but I did see advantages using High Sierra, though it is "still" bug ridden. I upgraded back to High Sierra 10.13.3 (because I had the itch) and it now works "OK", but it still has a while to get stable.

I had "high" hopes for High Sierra...but High Sierra always seems "High" on something and has its moments of What the...?

It works ok on my MacBook Air 2013 and MacBook Pro 2010 actually, but I do just "basic" stuff on them. As far has production stuff, it still has probably a few more versions to go if ever...

By 10.13.4 I would think that "Most" of the issues would or "should" be hammered out, but the way that it is going, High Sierra when it reach 10.13.6 may be a dud...

I hope Apple considers skipping a new version for 2018 and just work out the bugs and get High Sierra stable before going on to another "mountain" version or whatever...

Maybe chance High Sierra's name to "Death Valley"....
 
Brand new macs, and a few older ones. We couldn't get any work done due to High Sierras networking issues and downgraded to Sierra across the board, & then realized how much more stable Sierra was as well.

We made a policy that we will upgrade OS's one release behind from now on, from & to the final version of each. ie., when OSX .15 comes out, we then upgrade off .13.3 to the final release of .14.3, and stay on that for a year until they announce 16, and then upgrade to 15.3 for a year. That way were always on stable mature versions, and not gambling our productivity on beta releases and endless fickle upgrades breaking more things.

It didn't used to be like this. OSX used to be a lot more reliable right out of the can.
 
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I had HS on my hackintosh and the .2 update broke it and I just went back to Sierra. I dont really miss it, I have it on my MacBook and I see no discernable differnece between the two versions other than Photos 3.0 which can edit Live photos and I do miss that.
 
High Sierra feels bloated compared to previous macOS releases. Startup is slower and I have far more pauses while working than ever before. Windows 10 on my Mac Pro is much more smooth and stable by comparison. Hopefully Apple will focus on stability over the next few months.
 
The main bug that irritates me is this one:

Rare 2009 MacBook6,1 h.264 playback glitch in High Sierra

There is a video playback glitch on occasional material with machines that run the old nVidia 9xxx series GPUs. I suspect Apple won't fix this because only rare machines suffer from this problem, and it's also a rare problem even on those machines.


No "must haves" in High Sierra IMO.
Sierra has no HEIF or h.265 support. This is a pretty big deal if you want to use these formats on your iPhone. One big advantage of these is they save about 40% storage space.


High Sierra feels bloated compared to previous macOS releases. Startup is slower and I have far more pauses while working than ever before. Windows 10 on my Mac Pro is much more smooth and stable by comparison. Hopefully Apple will focus on stability over the next few months.
How much memory do you have? I wondered if that was the case when I installed High Sierra on my 4 GB MacBook, but once I upgraded to 8 GB it wasn't a problem. However, that's a secondary machine. For my primary MacBook, it has 16 GB, and my primary iMac has 24 GB, so I have plenty of memory to compensate for any additional bloat, if there is any that is.
 
Seems solid to me. I am having occasional issues with my MBP when plugged into an external display waking properly from sleep. If you’re not happy with something file a radar with the issue instead of wasting time complaining.
 
I'd hardly say that... But the thing I've seen with High Sierra is that it's Apple's first attempt to start moving people over to the new APFS filesystem. Changing a whole file system is almost always a process that has some glitches or issues for a certain number of people.

On top of that? Apple really muddied the waters with the APFS rollout by not having it ready for use with Fusion drive configurations. (It just leaves those systems alone and doesn't attempt to convert them, which is fine -- but makes people feel like APFS isn't "ready for prime time yet".)

This AppleInsider article gives you some insight on why APFS is better:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...erra-apfs-benefits-end-users-with-space-speed

Among other things, they noted their test Mac booted up about 25% faster under APFS.

I've also noticed some more obscure changes with High Sierra over Sierra when using it in a corporate environment. For example? It used to be, if I connected to our office network by setting up a software "L2TP" VPN connection in Sierra? It worked fine, except I couldn't actually do the whole process of joining a new Mac to the Windows domain. It always threw error messages while attempting it. I had to make sure I was physically in our office, attached to the local network, if I wanted to do that initial one-time step of adding the Mac to the domain. In High Sierra, it worked for me - which tells me they improved some aspects of Windows networking and properly routing things over the VPN tunnel when one is set up.

Where I found High Sierra most frustrating is with the initial upgrade process from Sierra. Again, on our corporate Macs, we encountered some oddities -- including people's user profiles seeming to get mangled up on their machines, sometimes day or even a week after they moved to High Sierra. They could just create a whole new user account and put back their dock icons, software configuration settings, desktop background, and so forth -- and be back up and running.But something seemed to be getting damaged with migrating over their existing settings. Didn't always happen either. Only randomly.

It's the worst. I have a brand new MB Pro. I've had Nothing but issues with High Seirra.
 
I don't like HS for a couple of reasons:
  1. I can't even install 10.13 on my 2011 iMac because it has a dual-SSD RAID0 1TB boot drive. I used Apple's Disk Utility to create the volume using 10.12, and now, 10.13.3 still refuses to install on it.

  2. I DID install 10.13 on my 2013 Macbook Pro, and it has been running photolibraryd on my 6200 photo library for about a month now. It WILL NOT download additional photos from my photo stream until it finishes analyzing every picture and video, and uploads them to iCloud, but it seems to be stuck. So I'm being held hostage by Photos.
10.12.6 ran perfectly. I regret this.

No. 2 seems my problem also on MBP late 2013-14. As of a week ago, my HEIC photos taken that date and since with iPhone X do not load. I get a triangle with an exclamation point in it. For the 3.5 months prior, they loaded fine from iCloud.

I posted for help on this forum as I am no mac wizard, but no one responded, so I have gone back to JPG on IPX. Will see if that helps.

UPDATE: too involved a journey for details, but seems back on track after three Apple chats and Apple engineers’ intervention.

Thanks to Apple advisors and the ability to interact and pursue a case to a successful conclusion.
 
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Not noticed any obvious issues on my 2015 MBP here that came with Sierra and was upgraded to HS.

Also seems to be hunky dory on my MB Air as well - two different MacBooks, two different use cases (the Air is my second work computer that supplants my Windows 10 desktop when I need to do 'Real Work' (tm) in meetings, and My Pro is my personal rig that I use to remote in from home, play games, shop and the odd bit of development).
 
Not noticed any obvious issues on my 2015 MBP here that came with Sierra and was upgraded to HS.

Also seems to be hunky dory on my MB Air as well - two different MacBooks, two different use cases (the Air is my second work computer that supplants my Windows 10 desktop when I need to do 'Real Work' (tm) in meetings, and My Pro is my personal rig that I use to remote in from home, play games, shop and the odd bit of development).
lol not a single "this macbook was shut down because of a problem" or general application compatibility issue ?
 
lol not a single "this macbook was shut down because of a problem" or general application compatibility issue ?

Have they never ever crapped out? Dunno if I can say that. Have they crapped out any more since High Sierra? Nope. Both seem to be a stable as a COMPUTER can be expected to be.

I get that this doesn't fit in with your apparent narrative here, but just because you MAY be having issues doesn't mean others are.
 
Have they never ever crapped out? Dunno if I can say that. Have they crapped out any more since High Sierra? Nope. Both seem to be a stable as a COMPUTER can be expected to be.

I get that this doesn't fit in with your apparent narrative here, but just because you MAY be having issues doesn't mean others are.
Lol not sure if I have an actual stability narrative, but I do have the same devices as you (512mb 2015 though) so naturally I got curious since I've had a fair deal of issues on both mbp and mba, maybe some people are just lucky ?
 
Lol not sure if I have an actual stability narrative, but I do have the same devices as you (512mb 2015 though) so naturally I got curious since I've had a fair deal of issues on both mbp and mba, maybe some people are just lucky ?

Guess I might be because i'm not exactly gentle with my hardware - one point I thought I'd done some damage after messing with Homebrew but a restart fixed it (and that was on Sierra).

I'm also a bit of a power user - I like to push my kit with oodles of applications and invariably that gets me in trouble!
 
Guess I might be because i'm not exactly gentle with my hardware - one point I thought I'd done some damage after messing with Homebrew but a restart fixed it (and that was on Sierra).

I'm also a bit of a power user - I like to push my kit with oodles of applications and invariably that gets me in trouble!
lol wait, now I'm very confused, you are a power user and installing a lot of applications and not having more issues than usual ?
for me I had enough issues every 2nd time using 3rd party software that I finally just stopped doing anything hard on mbp, so now undervolting it, set max PKG limit to 10w and relegated it to youtube and xCode (youtube is great, xCode soso, but no better on other machine)
 
lol wait, now I'm very confused, you are a power user and installing a lot of applications and not having more issues than usual ?
for me I had enough issues every 2nd time using 3rd party software that I finally just stopped doing anything hard on mbp, so now undervolting it, set max PKG limit to 10w and relegated it to youtube and xCode (youtube is great, xCode soso, but no better on other machine)

I am, yes. Between Parallels, Visual Studio Code, Sql Operations Studio, Visual Studio for Mac, DbVisualizer, SmartGit and XCode and Homebrew on the Dev side, DevonTHINK, Office, PFDPenPro, Office 2016 and Scrivner on the productivity side along with Wireshark, Deeper, PathFinder etc for utilities, and most of the Daedalic point and click games they've released for the Mac - all on my MBP - yeah - it's a busy little camper.

But as for issues? The only time recently I was forced to restart was when Vivaldi browser got itself totally hung to the point I couldn't kill any part of it off (even ignored the ol' kill -9)
 
I am, yes. Between Parallels, Visual Studio Code, Sql Operations Studio, Visual Studio for Mac, DbVisualizer, SmartGit and XCode and Homebrew on the Dev side, DevonTHINK, Office, PFDPenPro, Office 2016 and Scrivner on the productivity side along with Wireshark, Deeper, PathFinder etc for utilities, and most of the Daedalic point and click games they've released for the Mac - all on my MBP - yeah - it's a busy little camper.

But as for issues? The only time recently I was forced to restart was when Vivaldi browser got itself totally hung to the point I couldn't kill any part of it off (even ignored the ol' kill -9)
if it's just vivaldi your doing great!
how do you like SQL Operations Studio compared to smss, you use it for azure stuff too ?
 
if it's just vivaldi your doing great!
how do you like SQL Operations Studio compared to smss, you use it for azure stuff too ?

Would be better if kinit worked\worked with our decrepit aged AD servers. As it is we have to use Sql Authentication until it's working (sounds like we're not the only folk with the issue). TBH it's a ways to go before it beats out SSMS - which I use via Parallels when I'm on my Mac; that said, I'm liking what I see and feel that it's a step in the right direction.

The Air isn't as heavily populated - it has the Dev side pretty much packed but no Parallels and just Office on the productivity side of the house. Again, it just runs. Times like today where I work from home I have both in active use and I just love the shared clipboard that means I can copy an URL from the Air and paste it in the Pro!

So, yeah, busy little campers with nary an issue.

(Total shutdown of my MacbookPro with major OS issues resulting a total OS build in 5...4... :eek:)
 
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