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Is anyone unhappy with High Sierra?
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10.13 is not great, just like Windows Vista/Me/8 were not great. Outside of 10.13, most other OS X releases were pretty damn good right out of the gate. I even find Sierra inferior to El Capitan, but seeing that my MacBook Pro is too recent, I can't get back to it, especially due to the damn Touch Bar. The last truly super smooth OS as far as I'm concerned was OS X 10.11.6.
Join my new campaign: MOGA! Make OS X great again! Yea, baby! MOGA!
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If you need me to upload the Sierra installer somewhere, let me know and I'll help ya out.
Peace!
P.S.: MOGA!
10.13 is not great, just like Windows Vista/Me/8 were not great. Outside of 10.13, most other OS X releases were pretty damn good right out of the gate. I even find Sierra inferior to El Capitan, but seeing that my MacBook Pro is too recent, I can't get back to it, especially due to the damn Touch Bar. The last truly super smooth OS as far as I'm concerned was OS X 10.11.6.
Join my new campaign: MOGA! Make OS X great again! Yea, baby! MOGA!
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If you need me to upload the Sierra installer somewhere, let me know and I'll help ya out.
Peace!
P.S.: MOGA!
you do know the difference between an opinion and a fact? what you & i are expressing are opinions. and, regardless of anyone's take on HS, it is the current OS, and will be... until the next OS... which is fine with me, as my experience on HS (especially the latest beta) is pretty great.
You will not get much sympathy while decade-old issues remain unfixed and new releases of Mac OS introduce even more issues. The difference between Windows and Mac users is that Windows users know that Microsoft has irritating issues, but they stick with it because they feel they have no other viable option. But Mac users go out of their way to convince themselves "It's a feature, not a bug" because of some unified front, saving face, can't look weak in front of the enemy mentality.
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what 'decade-old' issues? have been using macs since late 90s, and can't think of any issues that fit that description (so, am asking, for real...)
See post #75 regarding the Finder's Connect To Server window. How long has Connect To Server been around? And while on the subject of arranging lists, the iOS Reminders app has been around since iOS 5 (2011) but even today there are still no options to automatically arrange items by title, due date, or priority. Again, it looks like Apple engineers did not bother to test their user interface with more than one item in a list.
I would also like to add the issue of the Finder's new way of (mis)managing window view styles which was introduced in Mac OS 10.5 Leopard (2007). You can find a write-up at:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/10/mac-os-x-10-5/12/
starting with the section titled "An application divided against itself", which details what it takes to make the Finder remember a view style for just one window. Multiply that by all the other windows for which someone may want the view style to be retained. Does anyone honestly think that having to manually tweak view options for each window is better than having a "Remember view settings for each window" option in Finder preferences?
This is the part where people will then respond with "But newer Mac OS versions introduced Features X, Y, Z, etc". Did introducing those new features require leaving other issues unfixed?
People will also mention Apple's financial success with iPhones and iPads. Again, was all that success due to leaving those decade-old issues unfixed? And would fixing these issues somehow diminish Apple's success?
ios is not a mac thing; but you know that, of course. and my finder is fine (for what it is); everything opens in column view, my preference. since i never use 'connect to server', i can't comment on it, but it works, yes? you just can't re-order the list (& am not saying that's reasonable).
i have my own list of issues with apple, and the OS, but i can: get my work done, surf, play. move about efficiently, and the OS is (at the moment) stable, fast. so it's not perfect, but it is pretty great...
i have my own list of issues with apple, and the OS, but i can: get my work done, surf, play. move about efficiently, and the OS is (at the moment) stable, fast. so it's not perfect, but it is pretty great...
When OS X 10.4 Tiger (2005) introduced Spotlight search, it broke searching of non-Spotlight volumes such as read-only optical media, NTFS formatted drives, and shared network folders on Windows servers. Basic file name searches return no results even though I confirmed that the files do exist on those drives. One would expect that Mac OS should be able to detect the type of volume that is being searched and then use the appropriate search method: Spotlight indexed search or normal search. But this does not seem to be the case. Basic file name search should be a standard part of the Mac OS "Finder". I see no reason why someone should have to use command line tools or third party applications just to search for a file name.
Last time I tried file name search on non-Mac volumes was when High Sierra 10.13.0 was released last year and I was not impressed by the (lack of) results. Has the latest High Sierra version improved this situation, or does Apple still assume that Mac users only need to search Mac formatted volumes that are connected to Macs running Mac OS?
Last time I tried file name search on non-Mac volumes was when High Sierra 10.13.0 was released last year and I was not impressed by the (lack of) results. Has the latest High Sierra version improved this situation, or does Apple still assume that Mac users only need to search Mac formatted volumes that are connected to Macs running Mac OS?
I am running 10.13.3 on an 2017 Imac. before I updated to 10.13.3, everything worked fine. Since the update, I cannon run antivirus program(s) . Specifically, the Security and Privacy control panel will NOT all the extensions which are part of very recent anti virus apps.
I click the "allow" button on the control panel.... no response. The result is the anti virus app is not able to provide "real-time" protection nor is it able to update the "anti virus denfinitions"
I click the "allow" button on the control panel.... no response. The result is the anti virus app is not able to provide "real-time" protection nor is it able to update the "anti virus denfinitions"
@VictorTango777 and @hockeyplayer: I feel your pain!
Look at the bright side, though: There's always 10.14. (or a 10.12.6 upgrade).
Look at the bright side, though: There's always 10.14. (or a 10.12.6 upgrade).
@VictorTango777 and @hockeyplayer: I feel your pain!
Look at the bright side, though: There's always 10.14. (or a 10.12.6 upgrade).
or 10.13.4, or 10.13.5; or 10.11, 10.10, 10.9, etc....
I haven't had any issues with previous OS versions (back to Leopard), and while High Sierra is fine for the most part, I do experience random restarts of my 2015 MBP. More a nuisance than anything else.
They stick with it because it has massive legacy support, great driver support and the fastest performance. The perceived problems with Windows 10 is something weird in the head of Mac and Linux users. They rant some weird things about 'interface not consistent' without realizing simple reality : legacy support for old apps that companies won't upgrade for very import reasons.
There is no such thing as consistent interface anyway. You load Adobe apps, Spotify, Steam, Zbrush, Modo, etc etc and they all have a proprietary interface that suits their app. If they used the macOS gui kit exclusively it would suck for those apps.
Right this OS tribalism is stupid and turns people into cult followers. That behavior doesn't remain contained. It spills over into other areas of life.
When we reach 'peak technology' in terms of operating systems it will be mostly cloud based and you wont see the OS. You will use voice and natural interactions to open files in apps, voice and AI to configure system settings, but the OS will largely be invisible to users. I already hide away the dock and menu bar and use spotlight to open files and apps.
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i've been hiding the dock since 10.3. i used to use apps ("dock gone", etc), but now, a simple terminal command so that the dock won't appear unless i let the cursor sit there... for about 2 days. (i can bring it up with command-option-D).
always thought it was a waste of screen real estate (at least, on small screens, ie the 12" & 13" macs i've had since forever). i use launchpad for my most-used apps (on one page), spotlight for others, mail satellite for new email notification in the menu bar, etc. so i run all my apps 'full-screen' up to the menubar, which i prefer visible at all times... this all works great for me.
@VictorTango777 and @hockeyplayer: I feel your pain!
Look at the bright side, though: There's always 10.14. (or a 10.12.6 upgrade).
Reminds me of this old Apple ad:
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or 10.13.4, or 10.13.5; or 10.11, 10.10, 10.9, etc....
10.11: AGREED! 10.10: AGREED! 10.9: AGREED
10.13.4: UNLIKELY due to 10.13.0 being crap, 10.13.1 being crap, albeit slightly warmed up crap, 10.13.2 being crap, although hammered crap, granted, 10.13.3 being crap, but to a lesser extent, yet still, you know...crap.
Check it out, I can make a funny face too:
Or how about this one? Do ya like this one better? Anywhooohh...more threads with more people complaining about more things wrong with High Sierra since we last tal--- well, no, made faces at each other.
I really hope you prove me wrong about the next iteration of 10.13. History has, thus far, been cruel to the [lack of] progress of "High" Sierra.
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Agreed. And I spend most of my time in Safari when working with my Mac. Truly disappointing.
Haha, oh man, how I miss the good ol' days when OS X was rock solid and Windows was...well, Windows.
10.13.3 (& now, the 10.13.4 beta) is great for me, on both my macs. so your observation is certainly valid... for you, not for everyone. EVERY version of the OS has had it's fans and detractors; check these very forums over the years and you'll see that that's true. it's ok if you're not happy with HS, but remember, you don't speak for everyone, only for yourself.
anyway, lol, just another day at the forum...
LOL. You’re asking them about seeing a urologist when your username is “Flow”rider.”
If I had any friends, I would have no problem recommending High Sierra to them as I've had nary an issue with it all
2011 13" MBA and 2013 15" MBP
From some of the problems that I read here on the forums, High Sierra reminds me when I updated my MBP to Mavericks and it bricked my computer with kernel panics, restarts, and freezes. I took my computer into the Apple Store and the Genius ran a few tests and indicated that my MotherBoard was dying and should be replaced. Fortunately, Apple was still supporting my model year. I had my MotherBoard replaced for a reasonable fee, but I specified that it should be seeded with Snow Leopard; not Maveticks. For me, El Capitan is like Snow Leopard; smooth and trouble free.
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