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What?

APFS is a HUUUUGE change. And Apple baking in hardware HEVC support throughout its OS and software is also a very big deal. Also, did you forget Metal 2?

IOW, High Sierra is one of the biggest macOS / OS X releases in years.

It has the potential, but still is not there yet. I’m using a Mac Pro 2013 with 64 gig ram, 6-core with the 2x D500 graphic cards and Final Cut Pro X my main app (work), but still has glitches that it did not have under Sierra.

Hopefully by 10.13.6 things will be hammered out...
 
What?

APFS is a HUUUUGE change. And Apple baking in hardware HEVC support throughout its OS and software is also a very big deal. Also, did you forget Metal 2?

IOW, High Sierra is one of the biggest macOS / OS X releases in years.

Yes, in theory. In practice, however, it disappoints. And I'm not someone who needs to see new features for the sake of new features in an upgrade. I'd rather have an all maintenance under-the-hood upgrade and get fewer gimmicks.

I'm also not a huge fan of Sierra. It's beach-balling at me more than I'd like, so anytime High Sierra decides to grow up, I'd love to be back running it.

10.3.4 is in its late beta stages and should drop soon. I'd love to hear from the High Sierra crowd as to any positive changes that might be in the offing. I really loved the "Lock Screen" option in the Apple menu. :D
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It has the potential, but still is not there yet. I’m using a Mac Pro 2013 with 64 gig ram, 6-core with the 2x D500 graphic cards and Final Cut Pro X my main app (work), but still has glitches that it did not have under Sierra.

Hopefully by 10.13.6 things will be hammered out...

Nice set-up you got there. :D So what glitches are you experiencing with High Sierra?
 
It has the potential, but still is not there yet. I’m using a Mac Pro 2013 with 64 gig ram, 6-core with the 2x D500 graphic cards and Final Cut Pro X my main app (work), but still has glitches that it did not have under Sierra.

Hopefully by 10.13.6 things will be hammered out...
Yes, Sierra is more mature. No big surprise since High Serra is still just halfway through its development.

For you, I'd recommend Sierra until the fall, and then High Sierra after 10.14 is released, when High Sierra is fully mature.

However, if you start to work with HEVC a lot, using High Sierra (or later) will pretty much be mandatory. As mentioned, the HEVC support in High Sierra is a huge addition to macOS.
 
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No "must haves" in High Sierra IMO. Today's method of thinking is: if it's free, it's good to upgrade. Well, I would argue, "if it's not broke, don't fix it". Every OS upgrade seems to slow stuff down until you have to upgrade your hardware. The exception is Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion. These were fast OSes. In my opinion, the last significant update was Mountain Lion ( adds Notes, Reminder (now separate form Mail and Calendar), Notification Centre, Messages, Dictation, Game Centre, Air Play, Power Nap, iCal and iMessage become Calendar and Messages).

I like this approach. I updated my MB Air 13 to HS but my iMac late 2015 (main system) is on Sierra and after hearing all the issues with external drives (I boot from external TB drive) I think I'll stay with Sierra for the foreseeable future.
 
Yes, in theory. In practice, however, it disappoints. And I'm not someone who needs to see new features for the sake of new features in an upgrade. I'd rather have an all maintenance under-the-hood upgrade and get fewer gimmicks.

I'm also not a huge fan of Sierra. It's beach-balling at me more than I'd like, so anytime High Sierra decides to grow up, I'd love to be back running it.

10.3.4 is in its late beta stages and should drop soon. I'd love to hear from the High Sierra crowd as to any positive changes that might be in the offing. I really loved the "Lock Screen" option in the Apple menu. :D
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Nice set-up you got there. :D So what glitches are you experiencing with High Sierra?

1. I am getting the occasional screen flicker to black for a brief second as if someone was logged into my computer via VPN or the graphic cards are switching back and forth due to load. I don’t think this is the hardware issue that some have brought up before as the defected graphic cards, but maybe it may. Seems to happen more with High Sierra. Noticed it occurs more frequently when Safari Browser is open in background. What I did which seems to minimize this (still happens at
Minimmal once a week) is set the power management to never sleep, unselect turned off display etc. (basically no power management) and also uncheck put hard drives to sleep etc. seem to help. I use FCPX almost daily for hours, so it is an occasional issue.

2. This issue could be the resent update to FCPX and High Sierra as it was not happening before:
After working for a few hours it seems like the timeline playback begins to shudder while playing, so I have to close out the program and then reopen. Then the timeline runs smooth again as if some graphic cache needed cleaning out...Did not have this playback issue with Sierra or with previous versions of High Sierra.

3. When selecting the “zoom in” keyboard command, FCPX closes out instantly -crashes. I have a logictech mouse program to zoom in to the timeline and this also crashes (thought it was the mouse but it also happened with the keyboard command (new Apple version keyboard). Both Apple keyboard and mouse cause FCPX to crash when selecting the zoom option. This does not happen when I select the “zoom in” option from the down drop menu by selecting, just the keyboard command and the physical mouse command. This started to happen “after” updating to the recent FCPX update and version along with the High Sierra’s last small update.

Tried solutions:

1. Deleted FCPX and reinstalled...still issues.
2. Restored from previous time machine - did not resolve.
3. A few months ago I wiped out High Sierra and went back to Sierra. No more issues with FCPX, but on occasion (but not as often - mimminal - screen flicker to black for a second. Installed High Sierra (tempted) again when .3 came out along with the updated FCPX version and issues began again...

I don’t want to wipe out and start from scratch to see if a fresh install will resolve the issues, but might when the next High Sierra version comes out.

FYI - I run SSDs external RAID (trimforce on) as my scratch for FCPX projects. Sierra - no issues with FCPX...High Sierra...acts high like it is smokin’ something.

I thought that since Apple still sells the Mac Pro 2013, things should work ok as they should be testing out FCPX on it before releasing versions of FCPX and High Sierra....guess my thing is just “high”.
 
Just wanted to chime in that I'm incredibly unhappy with it. I've been upgrading MacOS/OS X versions typically the first day it comes out even though conventional wisdom says to give it a little time for the new OS to mature, but I never had a serious problem with it until High Sierra.

It started with the WindowServer memory leak that takes GBs of RAM until you have to reboot (this occurs when you use external displays). Even with the fix I notice my MBP slows to a crawl at random intervals with the only common denominator being a sudden uptick in CPU usage by WindowServer, so I still don't think they really fixed it proper.

My screen sharing broke, so my parents can no longer screen share their mac desktop so I can troubleshoot issues. I have to use TeamViewer as a third party alternative (which of course works flawlessly).

The Messages Out of Order bug that has insanely been persisting for months with no resolution in sight.

Bluetooth worked perfectly with Sierra, with High Sierra now it is underpowered and fails to maintain a connection with my headset when it's further than 4 feet away.

And these are just off the top of my head. What's disconcerting is that even if I had waited to upgrade till now, I'd STILL be having issues. I have an uncommon setup where I use the MBP in clamshell mode attached to two external displays with peripherals, yet I've had this setup since Mountain Lion I think and never had issues like I did with High Sierra. Up to then I had been really happy having a complete Apple ecosystem, but it seems to be falling apart on me now.
 
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1. I am getting the occasional screen flicker to black for a brief second as if someone was logged into my computer via VPN or the graphic cards are switching back and forth due to load. I don’t think this is the hardware issue that some have brought up before as the defected graphic cards, but maybe it may. Seems to happen more with High Sierra. Noticed it occurs more frequently when Safari Browser is open in background. What I did which seems to minimize this (still happens at
Minimmal once a week) is set the power management to never sleep, unselect turned off display etc. (basically no power management) and also uncheck put hard drives to sleep etc. seem to help. I use FCPX almost daily for hours, so it is an occasional issue.

2. This issue could be the resent update to FCPX and High Sierra as it was not happening before:
After working for a few hours it seems like the timeline playback begins to shudder while playing, so I have to close out the program and then reopen. Then the timeline runs smooth again as if some graphic cache needed cleaning out...Did not have this playback issue with Sierra or with previous versions of High Sierra.

3. When selecting the “zoom in” keyboard command, FCPX closes out instantly -crashes. I have a logictech mouse program to zoom in to the timeline and this also crashes (thought it was the mouse but it also happened with the keyboard command (new Apple version keyboard). Both Apple keyboard and mouse cause FCPX to crash when selecting the zoom option. This does not happen when I select the “zoom in” option from the down drop menu by selecting, just the keyboard command and the physical mouse command. This started to happen “after” updating to the recent FCPX update and version along with the High Sierra’s last small update.

Tried solutions:

1. Deleted FCPX and reinstalled...still issues.
2. Restored from previous time machine - did not resolve.
3. A few months ago I wiped out High Sierra and went back to Sierra. No more issues with FCPX, but on occasion (but not as often - mimminal - screen flicker to black for a second. Installed High Sierra (tempted) again when .3 came out along with the updated FCPX version and issues began again...

I don’t want to wipe out and start from scratch to see if a fresh install will resolve the issues, but might when the next High Sierra version comes out.

FYI - I run SSDs external RAID (trimforce on) as my scratch for FCPX projects. Sierra - no issues with FCPX...High Sierra...acts high like it is smokin’ something.

I thought that since Apple still sells the Mac Pro 2013, things should work ok as they should be testing out FCPX on it before releasing versions of FCPX and High Sierra....guess my thing is just “high”.
oh. Yeah, I have the some problem with you for no.1. pretty sad support for us Mac Pro 2013 users
 
Only ADB Plus, same in Chrome, but with new updates of HS, own functionality is even worse. Don't have any problems with Chrome which is much faster.

maybe this gets better soon? the current beta's pretty good here. have u tried without ADB plus (or with a different ad blocker?) just asking. ublock origin works well...
 
Just wanted to chime in that I'm incredibly unhappy with it. I've been upgrading MacOS/OS X versions typically the first day it comes out even though conventional wisdom says to give it a little time for the new OS to mature, but I never had a serious problem with it until High Sierra.

It started with the WindowServer memory leak that takes GBs of RAM until you have to reboot (this occurs when you use external displays). Even with the fix I notice my MBP slows to a crawl at random intervals with the only common denominator being a sudden uptick in CPU usage by WindowServer, so I still don't think they really fixed it proper.

My screen sharing broke, so my parents can no longer screen share their mac desktop so I can troubleshoot issues. I have to use TeamViewer as a third party alternative (which of course works flawlessly).

The Messages Out of Order bug that has insanely been persisting for months with no resolution in sight.

Bluetooth worked perfectly with Sierra, with High Sierra now it is underpowered and fails to maintain a connection with my headset when it's further than 4 feet away.

And these are just off the top of my head. What's disconcerting is that even if I had waited to upgrade till now, I'd STILL be having issues. I have an uncommon setup where I use the MBP in clamshell mode attached to two external displays with peripherals, yet I've had this setup since Mountain Lion I think and never had issues like I did with High Sierra. Up to then I had been really happy having a complete Apple ecosystem, but it seems to be falling apart on me now.

Yup, I hear you. I couldn't even OPEN iMovie with High Sierra and an external monitor. It's pathetic.

And I also went through every pre-release version of OS X up until Sierra and typically, RC3 of any given OS would always be the point at which I stuck with whatever the OS was that year. So by July of that year, I was on board with every single version of OS X until Sierra. High Sierra is crap 6 months after its official release.


maybe this gets better soon? the current beta's pretty good here. have u tried without ADB plus (or with a different ad blocker?) just asking. ublock origin works well...

Beta 7 of 10.3.4...how's it running? You'd think Apple could get it right after putting every point release through 6-7 betas. What can you report on 10.3.4? Tell me good news, because despite the fact that I've trashed High Sierra in recent weeks, I'd like to be back on it, but it had better run GOOD!
 
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Yup, I hear you. I couldn't even OPEN iMovie with High Sierra and an external monitor. It's pathetic.

And I also went through every pre-release version of OS X up until Sierra and typically, RC3 of any given OS would always be the point at which I stuck with whatever the OS was that year. So by July of that year, I was on board with every single version of OS X until Sierra. High Sierra is crap 6 months after its official release.




Beta 7 of 10.3.4...how's it running? You'd think Apple could get it right after putting every point release through 6-7 betas. What can you report on 10.3.4? Tell me good news, because despite the fact that I've trashed High Sierra in recent weeks, I'd like to be back on it, but it had better run GOOD!

complicated. on my macbook pro, everything's fine, but for some reason, it takes a few seconds after waking my 12" macbook for me to be able to do anything (i can move the cursor, but nothing responds at first; reported to apple).

otherwise, all is working (but hey, it's only day2 of beta 7...)
 
High Sierra 10.13.3 works fine on my early 2011 MacBook Pro, except for the supplemental updates. I haven't been able to install it, and I don't plan to install the 10.13.4 update any time soon because of all the bug issues I read in this and other forums. I will wait for a while to see what happens first.
 
OK, so 10.3.4 has been out for a few. How is it? What have 7 weeks and 7 betas produced?? I am excited about the eGPU support, but what about stability. Maybe it's APFS that's causing issues? Perhaps it's best to return to High Sierra and force the OS to retain HFS+ for the time being?

Decisions, decisions...
 
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I’ve been OK with it until this morning, when I turned on the Mac and got nothing but code, and a message that said Mac OS couldn’t complete the installation. Currently reinstalling it manually. This has never happened before in the 13+ years I’ve owned a Mac, so unless I did something horribly wrong somewhere, this is a new low for macOS.
 
HS 10.13.4 with the new FW for my cMP 5,1 and the new Nvidia Web Driver is running fine for me Unknown.jpeg

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I don't use High Sierra as my main OS.
I use it only "in testing mode", on an external drive.

That drive is an OLD Lacie firewire800 drive that someone gave me. It has a platter-based hard drive inside.

The drive is formatted to HFS+. I WOULD NOT try it with APFS. No way.

Having said that, HS installed on it ok, and I've run the numerous developer betas as they've appeared. Each time I install the beta, next use Monolingual to strip out all the non English files, then I defrag the drive to get rid of fragments of free space.

And HS actually runs fairly well from it.
The boot time, of course, is slow (firewire -and- a platter-based hard drive).
But once it's up-and-running the OS seems pretty responsive. "Snappy", in fact.
Just about everything I've tried with it (my tests have been limited so far), runs.

So... even though I don't suggest HS to others (at least not yet), I've not had many problems with it on my "test drive".

BUT

Again, I -WOULD NOT- use APFS yet.
Not even interested in trying...
 
I’ve been OK with it until this morning, when I turned on the Mac and got nothing but code, and a message that said Mac OS couldn’t complete the installation. Currently reinstalling it manually. This has never happened before in the 13+ years I’ve owned a Mac, so unless I did something horribly wrong somewhere, this is a new low for macOS.

Hah, wow, oh man...I'm sorry to hear that.

Sounds like I'm staying put with what everyone has been saying. Drivers broken, installs interrupting, crap with APFS...no, thanks.

10.12.6 and iOS 10.3.1 are rock solid.
 
actually very surprised 10.3.4 running pretty zippy with my 2010 mid MacBook Pro , HFS+ raid-0 setup.
 
actually very surprised 10.3.4 running pretty zippy with my 2010 mid MacBook Pro , HFS+ raid-0 setup.

Interesting...does 10.13.4 run better for you than 10.13.3 did?? I guess next time I go back up to High Sierra, I'll install it without APFS.

Thanks.
 
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