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Is Mac OS X Panther 7B85 Gold Master?

Re: 7B85 is NOT the GM

Originally posted by thesaint
I hate to rain on your parade, but 7B85 isn't the GM. It is however, a Final Canidate build. This doesn't make me happy to even post this, but I believe it's true. Reason for thinking this?

#1. 7B85 is a bit buggy. Networking comes and goes and gets really bogged down and some of the OS's apps crash. #2. Weird icons showing up when connecting to servers via secure afp.
#3. Noone at Apple who would like to keep their job would post this dev build.
#4. Anyone here see XCODE yet? If this were te GM could we not assume that XCODE should be along with the "leeks?"

Again, I do believe that Apple is close to releasing the GM and that we will be seeing it very soon. I just have a hard time believe that 7B85 is the GM.

Please help prove me wrong. I want Panther as much as the rest of you all. :)
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*sigh* Build 7B85 IS GM.

#1 Show me a version of OS X that wasn't buggy. Hell, show me ANY piece of software that is without bugs
#2 same as #1
#3 Again, this makes no sense
#4 So the leakers chose not to leak xcode along with the OS. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist

With the relative quickness that 85 was leaked, and the fact that Apple has moved on to 7C builds, there probably won't (read WILL NOT) be any more B builds, since 85 is GM. The 7C builds are 10.3.x releases.
 
mhm...

I really tried to be civilized in my comments, but numb-nuts like you are why I never post to boards.

#1. It was a leak build. Please tell me, oh great one, why do you have this current build? I bet you aren't an ADC member and from what I gather you aren't an Apple employee.
#2. Even if apple stops the seeding before GM, they don't stop mailings or email don't you think as an ADC member I would know what's up regardless if we get the builds or not?
#3. The reason it makes perfect sense to stop builds to track down the leak who is getting it out to MANY non-deserving people. Simple as that.
#4. 99% of ADC members like myself, we like to see progress period. Most legit adc members dont really care if its gm or not.
 
Re: mhm...

Originally posted by thesaint
I really tried to be civilized in my comments, but numb-nuts like you are why I never post to boards.

#1. It was a leak build. Please tell me, oh great one, why do you have this current build? I bet you aren't an ADC member and from what I gather you aren't an Apple employee.
#2. Even if apple stops the seeding before GM, they don't stop mailings or email don't you think as an ADC member I would know what's up regardless if we get the builds or not?
#3. The reason it makes perfect sense to stop builds to track down the leak who is getting it out to MANY non-deserving people. Simple as that.
#4. 99% of ADC members like myself, we like to see progress period. Most legit adc members dont really care if its gm or not.
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I don't know why you chose to flame me. My post was nothing like that. It really has nothing to do with the conversation, and does nothing to prove your point.

I've noticed arn edited your post, so I'm wondering if those were his comments.
 
First of all ...

I just can't seem to understand how the people on this forum make a claim about this particular "leaked build" being gm. That is directly interpreted as pirated OS which in fact is. Regardless that information is strictly for non-disclosure as stated by apple. Upon agreeing when signing up for "ADC" (Apple Developer's Connection) that the information provided to you by Apple Computer Inc is under non-disclosure.
This is truely sad to see so many people with such claims posted here. As being a "Paid ADC Member" I don't even have any build after 7b74. The reason for this is because there is a mole/leak. There is a freeze on development builds for "paid ADC members" because there has been so many leaked/pirated builds.
This sickens me to see such childish rants on a website such as this "Macrumors" You'd be suprised how much "real" ADC members know over the general public. Especially in Asia ... Thank you!.

Thanks for expressing your absolute misconception of fabricated facts.

- The Lokster

The mighty 'ol' ???
 
I totally agree

Couldn't have said it any better lokster. You really touched on my point. Thanks.
 
Only the right deserves privileges ...

It has to be done. I like to read Intelligent forums. When things go bad. There has to be someone to mop up and flush ...:eek:

- Lokster
 
Re: First of all ...

Originally posted by ???
I just can't seem to understand how the people on this forum make a claim about this particular "leaked build" being gm. That is directly interpreted as pirated OS which in fact is. Regardless that information is strictly for non-disclosure as stated by apple. Upon agreeing when signing up for "ADC" (Apple Developer's Connection) that the information provided to you by Apple Computer Inc is under non-disclosure.
This is truely sad to see so many people with such claims posted here. As being a "Paid ADC Member" I don't even have any build after 7b74. The reason for this is because there is a mole/leak. There is a freeze on development builds for "paid ADC members" because there has been so many leaked/pirated builds.
This sickens me to see such childish rants on a website such as this "Macrumors" You'd be suprised how much "real" ADC members know over the general public. Especially in Asia ... Thank you!.

Thanks for expressing your absolute misconception of fabricated facts.

- The Lokster

The mighty 'ol' ???
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Whether or not you guys think 7b85 is the gm build changes nothing. Trying to justify your arguements doesn't help either. There is no reason why 7b85 won't be GM. It being an internal build and not on ADC has nothing to do with that. I really doubt leaked builds has anything to do with why Apple hasn't seeded you anything lately. Especially since the internal-only build of 85 was leaked.

FYI...ADC members aren't privy to any more info than the average joe.
 
are you talking to me? ...

I don't think you quite understand the correct terminology of "NON-DISCLOSURE" regardless of issue at hand my post was simply describing the general public exactly about what you are saying. Notice i don't quote you? there's no need .. you justify yourself in the manner of speaking. Notice the subject of this thread? ... perhaps not.
Maybe next time ask scotty to beam you up.

-Lokster:D
 
Re: are you talking to me? ...

Originally posted by ???
I don't think you quite understand the correct terminology of "NON-DISCLOSURE" regardless of issue at hand my post was simply describing the general public exactly about what you are saying. Notice i don't quote you? there's no need .. you justify yourself in the manner of speaking. Notice the subject of this thread? ... perhaps not.
Maybe next time ask scotty to beam you up.

-Lokster:D
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Since no one here is under the NDA, there's no reason for you to post your explanation, which most are aware of. If it were an ADC build, ADC members would be under NDA. But it was an internal build, so only those who are privy to this build are under the NDA.

Now if you could keep on topic here, that would be appreciated.
 
some people...

some people just aren't bright. this kids probably arguing in favor of it being GM so he can brag to all his buddies that hes using the golden master of panther or to assure any additional people he has leaked it to that it is the GM so he doesn't have to go through whatever hassle he probably had to go through to get another copy... do you realize you are the ONLY one fighting in favor of it being a GM at this point (well on this board anyways) you think there is a reason for that?.. i dont really care how you reply to this because your responses don't even remotely try to back up any of your completely asinine claims.
 
..."would you like fries with that?"

Subject says all. I rest my case .. seems there's someone higher than me. Wait, is that legal?
 
You all have no proof either way if it is GM or not. This is all just speculation. Nobody here does, heck, Apple might not yet know. There is no reason for people to even argue about it because it is of no importance.

Once somebody has a retail box, installs it and checks the number we will know what build GM is. Until then, you should all just sit back and relax.
 
Re: some people...

Originally posted by bile
some people just aren't bright. this kids probably arguing in favor of it being GM so he can brag to all his buddies that hes using the golden master of panther or to assure any additional people he has leaked it to that it is the GM so he doesn't have to go through whatever hassle he probably had to go through to get another copy... do you realize you are the ONLY one fighting in favor of it being a GM at this point (well on this board anyways) you think there is a reason for that?.. i dont really care how you reply to this because your responses don't even remotely try to back up any of your completely asinine claims.
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There's a reason why I rarely post on this forum, and this is exactly the reason why.

Like I said, I'm not under NDA, so what does that mean to you? I've never downloaded it, never used it, never told anyone where to get it. Fact remains, there are people more privy to certain in fo than you guys.

My posts have backed up my claim perfectly. The people who have shared the info with me have proven themselves to be accurate in this area. Go flame somewhere else.
 
Re: Re: some people...

Originally posted by superfula
There's a reason why I rarely post on this forum, and this is exactly the reason why.
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Is this a statistic statement to buff up your status as a member of macrumors?. [........EDITED SPAM......] (yes, that was a request)

I still see you posting .. that isn't really "rarely" now is it? or even educational or even funny?
:rolleyes:

Don't worry I forgive you.:D
 
I can't even follow what people are even arguing about at this point.

- 85 is either GM or it isn't. But the GM claim is presumably not just someone specualting. It's from someone or someones who are theoretically in the know. That's what makes this macrumors.com and not macWouldntItbeNiceIf.com

arn
 
watching the spam ..

ok i give .. i got carried away there .. my bad.. must be the veggies..
it's all good. I'll be good. Meow.
 
Re: *shesh*

Originally posted by thesaint
ok kids... this has gone beyond rediculous. We stated nothing, but facts and somehow get labled as "flamers."

I think this link sums it all up nicely.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/burger/html
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I have yet to see any facts from you.

I really tried to be civilized in my comments, but numb-nuts like you are why I never post to boards.
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some people just aren't bright. this kids probably arguing in favor of it being GM so he can brag to all his buddies that hes using the golden master of panther or to assure any additional people he has leaked it to that it is the GM so he doesn't have to go through whatever hassle he probably had to go through to get another copy... do you realize you are the ONLY one fighting in favor of it being a GM at this point (well on this board anyways) you think there is a reason for that?.. i dont really care how you reply to this because your responses don't even remotely try to back up any of your completely asinine claims.
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Yeah....those facts sure do back up your point :rolleyes:

Sheesh. I have no reason to come here and post what I think will be GM. The only reason that I did post, was because thesaint said 7b85 WAS NOT Gm, which isn't true. I have nothing to gain by sharing this info with people. If you put the pieces together, it's not to tough to figure out
 
look stupid is contagious!

better watch out for superfula! dont let any of his stupid rub off on you, i had a feeling that disease was contagious. You have nothing to gain by showing info to people?.. who ever said or even implied in any way shape or form that you had any information to share "if you put the pieces together" great job on providing pieces you utter waste of space. I doubt there is anything you could tell anyone here that they probably didnt learn months ago. Now why would i waste my time presenting anything as facts when you have done nothing but extend vague claims to debunk any theories by the other members of the board. ie "#3 Again, this makes no sense" Yeh that is a REAL solid way to attack the premise and setup a counter argument, very intutitive. You have proved nothing but how horrible you are at presenting/validating any type of an argument, i would walk you through the process of presenting and validating one if i thought you had the brainpower to fathom it. In the end of course you have nothing to gain because you know nothing, now deal with it.
 
Re: look stupid is contagious!

Originally posted by bile
better watch out for superfula! dont let any of his stupid rub off on you, i had a feeling that disease was contagious. You have nothing to gain by showing info to people?.. who ever said or even implied in any way shape or form that you had any information to share "if you put the pieces together" great job on providing pieces you utter waste of space. I doubt there is anything you could tell anyone here that they probably didnt learn months ago. Now why would i waste my time presenting anything as facts when you have done nothing but extend vague claims to debunk any theories by the other members of the board. ie "#3 Again, this makes no sense" Yeh that is a REAL solid way to attack the premise and setup a counter argument, very intutitive. You have proved nothing but how horrible you are at presenting/validating any type of an argument, i would walk you through the process of presenting and validating one if i thought you had the brainpower to fathom it. In the end of course you have nothing to gain because you know nothing, now deal with it.
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Was that really necessary? Whether I think superfula is right or wrong is irrelevant. And you know what? I don't know and don't care. But apart from his first post (a tad condescending, but even then it wasn't so bad) in response to the saint, superfula has stayed rather reasonable in his posts. You might disagree with him. OK. But I don't really understand why all of a sudden we have 3 guys almost appearing out of nowhere (read you, the saint, and especially ???) being really agressive on that subject. What is wrong with you ?
 
who is ???

I'm a bit confused what is with all this ??? business i am ??? refer to that from now on. It would probably be better.
I don't see where I was aggressive, but ok if you insist. The only thing i mentioned was about non-disclosure which indeed relevant to the cross-posting at the time of writing. I would say it's a bit late now.
The forum originally was to answer the question "is Panther 10.3 build XXXX (edited for reasons) GM?" well TheSaint originally answered and then a load of people started insisting that it's GM when the build you all are referring to is indeed a leak and considered pirated. No matter how the thread ended up .. it was all blown out of proportion based on one single answer which came to an extreme debate. To end this all right here. You all will be verified the true answer when people get the actual boxed retail and get the info on the build number for verification. Until then every argument is irrelevant at this point regardless who thinks right or wrong. One thing i do think is wrong is seeing people with that leaked build which is so unsupportive to apple and all the developers as well seeders. I am a "Paid ADC member" and there is no such build in our direction and mainly because the general public leaks builds either by a bad apple or a thief. Whichever way this just prolongs development and encouragement. It's really sad people must pirate from Apple when they are actually fair. Yes this sets the relevancy toward the point of discussion here in the thread. Apple will notify the entire world what is GM either it hits ADC members first or public .. whichever comes first. I think people realistically should just give up on guessing. Time to move on with life people and pay for your softwares at least pay for access to ADC for legitimate copies to do precise reporting of an os before making a fool out of one self on the internet.

-Piracy is a crime-
 
Re: who is ???

Originally posted by ???
You all will be verified the true answer when people get the actual boxed retail and get the info on the build number for verification. Until then every argument is irrelevant at this point regardless who thinks right or wrong.
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Agreed. 100%.

One thing i do think is wrong is seeing people with that leaked build which is so unsupportive to apple and all the developers as well seeders. I am a "Paid ADC member" and there is no such build in our direction and mainly because the general public leaks builds either by a bad apple or a thief.
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Fair enough. You're understandably pissed off. And that's a much better way to say it (sorry I don't mean to be patronizing...).
 
Apple Store closed

Apple Store is now closed. It seems like it's for Panther's official announcement: apparently some users saw on the swiss Apple Store the news when it was going down. Note the apparently. Credit to MacBidouille .
 
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