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USA is on massive amount of debt far too long; it is holding itself good because of the USD and international trade done on USD. The moment alternatives start appearing and becoming the norm, USA Debt will flare up. I think Donal Trump trying to fix this by rebalancing the trade deficit and make USA more responsible and accountable for the world. But as usual, the start will be a big pain for the whiny Americans.
So… where does it rank among other world economies?
 
No need for now. My iPhone 12 Pro max works at its best and fully support any upgrade. Let's see what happens next. However, if they increase the rates to services (I'm a Apple One Family subscriber) I'm going to leave.
 
That is not an "Apple plan", just speculation by Gurman on a few possible options.

Did I say it was an Apple plan? I said there was a report today that Apple has a plan. Geez some of you guys just want to freaking argue. Again, I don't really care what everyone does. Go out and buy everything you can right now, doesn't matter to me.
 
Did I say it was an Apple plan? I said there was a report today that Apple has a plan. Geez some of you guys just want to freaking argue. Again, I don't really care what everyone does. Go out and buy everything you can right now, doesn't matter to me.
It does not even say that Apple has a plan. It lays out a potential plan for Apple not from Apple. I am not arguing just pointing out that you misrepresented what you posted.
 
Kinda funny that cook has been pimping himself out to trump for absolutely zero gain haha

It's early ... I expect more extortion.

Don likes Tariffs because it puts him in control as the czar with everyone having to come and beg and plead for repreive.

It's a consolidation of power. He loves that.
 
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How are all those who were too apathetic to vote feeling now?
How are all those who voted for him feeling?

Funny how idealism takes a hit once the hip pocket gets hurt...

The world watches.

I see an option is Congress acts and removes Trump on mental health grounds.
Then Vance can take over and claim he was always there for that eventuality.
If Vance continues the same game, then Congress has proven already they can remove someone not acting in national interests...

They keep going down the succession list until someone reverses this madness.

The next issue is to rebuild trust with the world that this wont happen again.
That probably requires something strongly legislated that one person cannot at the stroke of a pen and whim make these decisions.

Decades of goodwill has been destroyed and people dont forget easily.
Yeahhhhh…..this isn’t happening lmao. Trump has congress wrapped round his tiny finger
 
I think there's quite a bit of wishful thinking in this thread around Apple increasing the price of all iPhones to offset the tariff increase on US iPhones. To some extent whether this happens will depend on what other phone manufacturers do. For example some android manufactures don't sell in the US market, Nothing being one example, so US tariffs won't have much of an impact (there will be macro economic factors like global recession but that will affect all sales). This will force other android manufacturers, such as Samsung who do sell in the US, to not increase non-US prices otherwise they will lose sales outside the US. In turn Apple will not be able to offset US tariffs on non-US phones otherwise they will lose sales and market share to android outside the US.

There is also anti-US feeling in a lot of countries, not just from the tariffs but things like Trump threatening to invade Canada and Greenland and Vance's comments on Europe in the Signal leaked chat. While I don't think Apple will end up as toxic as Tesla (it's not like Tim Cook is interfering in elections), Apple will be less popular as it is seen as a very American brand. Increasing prices for non-US sales to subside US sales will not help that perception or sales.
What’s very interesting is apparently Apple are selling more iPhones as a consequence of this

on a side note it will be interesting to see what Samsung do with the galaxy flip & fold when they get announced in August
 
That is exactly what I’m saying if they put a $100 on every iPhone worldwide then it means US customers wouldn’t face that much of an increase

Yea, it's one possiblity.

The question will be, will be the rest of the world be happy with a price increase to shoulder the burden of a trade war intiated unprovoked by the U.S., or will Apple loose market share because of such a move.

That's the calculus - what are the market and political implications of such a move. If they did that there no doubt would be some fallout, hw much and the impact I a good question.

Nintendo (sure, it is a Japanese company) to not divide the tariffs up to soften the blow for americans but went ahead with the Switch 2 preorder in every other region than U.S. and is reevulation the prices. I do hope Apple goes with the same approach.

Arbitrage time.

I think there's quite a bit of wishful thinking in this thread around Apple increasing the price of all iPhones to offset the tariff increase on US iPhones. To some extent whether this happens will depend on what other phone manufacturers do.

Yes, it will be dictated by the market response to a large extent.

For example some android manufactures don't sell in the US market, Nothing being one example, so US tariffs won't have much of an impact (there will be macro economic factors like global recession but that will affect all sales). This will force other android manufacturers, such as Samsung who do sell in the US, to not increase non-US prices otherwise they will lose sales outside the US. In turn Apple will not be able to offset US tariffs on non-US phones otherwise they will lose sales and market share to android outside the US.

A lot depends on the high end market where Apple plays and what Apple/Samsung and others in that segment do. I have no idea how this will play out, just speculated on a few responses.


TFA is speculation about what Apple may do, not what Apple said they'd do. If Apple did indeed stockpile phones, as TFA speculates, to have enough stock on hand through Sept, then there is no need to raise prices. Thatwould put price pressure on Samsung, et. al. If they didn't stockpile.

Stockpiling phones, if true, would also possibly indicate the tariffs are a short trem thing and will go away quickly as the impact is felt.
 
America is already bankcrupt when they sent all their product to China.
Look what happens now? All money is going to China.
 

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News started to circulate that Apple, Nvidia and many tech companies will be exempt from the new tariff Annex III rules under 9903.01.34.


The U.S. content of articles the product of any country, in which the U.S. content of the article provides at least 20 percent of the Customs value of the imported article.

This can be included IP, designs, or software installed on device.

If this is true, that Trump provided an 'escape route' for tech companies, then tech stocks will jump right back. And his comments on now is good time to invest in stock make sense. So his ultimate goal is to manipulate the stocks? 🤔
 
This can be included IP, designs, or software installed on device.
"The term “U.S. content” refers to the value of an article attributable to the components wholly obtained, produced entirely, or substantially transformed in the United States."

I'm not well-versed in customs law and terminology - but software isn't a "component" in the normal sense of the word.

Also: Would Apple's IP qualify as U.S.-originating anyway? Don't they move that Bermuda (or other tax havens) anyway?

"Sending valuable intellectual property rights offshore together with the profits that follow those rights is at the heart of Apple’s tax avoidance strategy"

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-113shrg81657/pdf/CHRG-113shrg81657.pdf
 
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I just wanna say national debt and trade deficits mean nothing if they aren’t called on by the holder. Ostensibly it’s just an artificial number, as the government can just print more money.

Also, China and Vietnam et al, are poorer countries and as such will not be able to have a balanced trade relationship because the value of their currency isn’t at the US dollar level and the cost of living is substantially different.

All of this could’ve been researched in a simple economics video on YouTube.
 
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Yet another YouTube video. Call me less than impressed. I’ve heard of keyboard Warriors before but never a keyboard economist <cough> if you actually had something to say you would’ve had a paper or your own calculations, maybe even a thesis, something truly tangible, something you could quote, not just YouTube videos again. I think it’s time to go and sit back with those penguins. Maybe you can impress them with a YouTube video or two, but I doubt it.
Listen, those penguins are taking huge advantage of us, they need to pay us more pretty pebbles!
 
Quote (from 0:41 of the video linked):
"And this is why Warren Buffett just said Trump is making the best moves he's seen in over 50 years."

Your "guess" is right:
It's misinformation.
Of the worst kind.

Buffett already set the record straight on these fake news:

👉 https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/buf...investor-backs-president-crashing-market.html

If you don't believe mainstream media, you can get it straight from the horse's (Berkshire's) mouth:

👉 https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/news/apr0425.pdf
Of coarse they are going to back track and deny everything. Trump speaks directly to him quite often. As the whole world is against him they don't want to be associated with him in any way. We shall see when this is all over what he says.
 
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I don't think folks should be panicking about this whole thing. This kind of reporting will have people falling out and having heart attacks and strokes, and to find out later that it wasn't that serious. C'mon people. Don't get worked up over this stuff. The goals of these corporations is to maximize their profits in every possible way that they can.
 
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I just hope that it’s the US customers alone that will pay for the tariffs. We in Europe have no increase in import tariffs from Asian countries, so Apple & Co better not get any ideas increasing our prices to pay for American Idiocracy.
Yeah, we're so dumb here.
That's why we're the largest trading partner in the world, and Ukraine asked us for help, and not you guys first.

The EU is about as irrelevant as countries like Canada and Mexico. Speaking of "idiocracy" you guys still have a monarchy government style... Something from the 1400s.
 
What could possibly go wrong when a six time bankrupt person determines the economic policy of a country?
The USA has been bankrupt for decades. This so-called "six time bankrupt person" has done something the USA hasn't been able to do: GET OUT OF BANKRUPTCY SIX TIMES.
We're so ****ed.
Calm down. Nobody has attacked anybody else.
As you said with the Switch, who knows what it'll end up costing with the new tariffs? It might actually be cheaper for my co-worker in Ireland to buy me something and bring it with him on a work trip rather than me buying something here in the US.
Better be careful about that. There are laws and punishments.
How automotive. "Better buy now before prices go up!"

I'll replace mine when it needs replacing, not because of market jitters.
This is the smartest way to do it.
How are all those who were too apathetic to vote feeling now?
How are all those who voted for him feeling?
It doesn't matter. But I voted for him and he's made my country safer already by sending the most violent criminals OFF the premises. He has also ended many cray-cray policies and practices that were hurting my country EVERY DAY. And his DOGE department has uncovered hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud and abuse.

I'm feeling like I voted for the right man for the job. But thank you for your concern!
Funny how idealism takes a hit once the hip pocket gets hurt...
I'll pay far more in taxes just in this year alone than you probably will over the next 10 years. And a lot of that might very well be tariff costs.

And I'm okay with that.
I see an option is Congress acts and removes Trump on mental health grounds.
Not gonna happen.
Then Vance can take over and claim he was always there for that eventuality.
You're fantasizing again.
If Vance continues the same game, then Congress has proven already they can remove someone not acting in national interests...

They keep going down the succession list until someone reverses this madness.

The next issue is to rebuild trust with the world that this wont happen again.
That probably requires something strongly legislated that one person cannot at the stroke of a pen and whim make these decisions.

Decades of goodwill has been destroyed and people dont forget easily.
Nobody has paid any tariff money yet, so how can "goodwill" be destroyed? This is all working itself out. You really should calm down; it's not good for your nerves or your heart.
The Market HATES uncertainty. Businesses HATE uncertainty. Everything is going to be uncertain. :confused:
Until it's not.

I'm an investor. I am in cash right now because most things are not performing well. But that can change in days or weeks. Right now, there's no evidence to support all this stress that people are needlessly putting themselves under.
The thought of no longer having the luxury of cheap Chinese goods really has folks in a tailspin doesn't it?
It sure seems that way, doesn't it?

I'm hoping this will actually serve to uncover all the guilty parties behind the child slavery that we keep hearing about. I'm game for it. Let's get it out in the open so that we can stop it.
Yes big man, you flex your financial firepower.
Your mocking tone tells me that you are not yourself prepared. And maybe even that you don't know how to prepare, and that all of this scares you. There are professional finance people who can help you with this. I'm not mocking you; I think you should seek help.

The good news is that if you seek financial help and knowledge now, you will be able to avoid seeking help for PTSD (from losing your wealth) later. I wish you luck.
The world has underestimated Sippincider.
I don't know what that means, but it sounds mean-spirited.
Time to cut America off.

The Euro should be the world default currency now.
Many Euro countries have themselves already embedded in the quicksand of debt from the high cost of their own government-heavyhanded methodologies. That, combined with the years of not providing for their own security, has them just as panic-ridden as on the US side.
There is some wisdom in not being drawn into the fear of missing out. Often purchases made under that kind of impulse turn out to be not such a good deal.
100% true.
i'm hoping to upgrade my MacBook in 2026. I figure by then either some influencer will talk some reason into people or it will still be going on and the country will be in a deep recession. Well, at least I know I can weather a recession better than most. I'm retired and my 401K will be cut in half but that's still better than for many that will feel the pain with layoffs and high prices.
I've been thinking about upgrading my MBP this year, just to get to the M4. But I don't "need" it as yet. And who knows, by 2027, Apple might be making them in Alabama or South Carolina, where they already make some BMW cars, lol.

This is not a time to panic. It might be a time to look for ways to profit from all this hot-and-bothered drama.
Like many people in other counties, I'll not be buying anything American for a while.

It's likely Apple will absorb your extra costs by putting up all iPhone prices worldwide.

I don't fancy paying for your stupidity.
Fine. We wish you luck in whatever you choose to do.
We did this to ourselves— We’re so dumb.
Nothing has even happened yet. Why are you freaking out?
Apple will have to actually innovate to justify higher prices going forward. Bigger camera tumors, bigger notches, and extra buttons that get in the way, aren't enough.
"Camera tumor"...okay, that was funny.

And yeah, I do often hit that new camera button by mistake. But I still like having it.
If that's the best they can do, then just build them in the US so they can keep more margin. Because I can tell you, I will not pay more for the same rewarmed products that Apple keeps trying to sell.
I disagree about your comments regarding "rewarmed products", but I get where you're coming from. And you're not wrong to want Apple to manufacture them in the US.
Aw, no bigger notch? Gosh darn it!
If you want a bigger notch, I know a guy who can tattoo one right on your forehead!
sales will decline big in Europe
Maybe, maybe not. Europe is into spending money right now, and I'm not sure it's going to stop just because of some American tariff on products not made in America.
When this selfish unqualified idiot is out of office for good hopefully the economy can recover from these idiotic tariffs. He likes to talk crap about how Biden supposedly did so much damage to the economy over his four years in office, but Trump has managed to do way worse in less than three months since being back in office.
Tell us 5 "way worse" examples, please. And while you're thinking about that, I'll go for a walk in my neighborhood that has fewer violent armed invading outsiders selling drugs out of apartment buildings. Fewer than when president Mumblemouth was ignoring the problem.
Don't be fooled, these tariffs are all for his own selfish gain and has nothing to do with helping America's economy.
Sometimes you have to shake things up to fix a problem that is so embedded that only a few citizens recognize it. Lack of US-based manufacturing skills, knowhow, and facilities are a real problem and I'm glad SOMEBODY is working on it.
With all the losses in grandmas portfolio; she can come out of retirement and work at the factory!
Grandma is smarter than you give her credit for. We were headed for a market downturn anyway, so this needs time to work itself out.
 
I don't folks should be panicking about this whole thing. This kind of reporting will have people falling out and having heart attacks and strokes, and to find out later that it wasn't that serious. C'mon people. Don't get worked up over this stuff. The goals of these corporations is to maximize their profits in every possible way that they can.
Thank you for this.
Yeah, we're so dumb here.
That's why we're the largest trading partner in the world, and Ukraine asked us for help, and not you guys first.

The EU is about as irrelevant as countries like Canada and Mexico. Speaking of "idiocracy" you guys still have a monarchy government style... Something from the 1400s.
Be careful, people might start calling you an arrogant American.

You're right, of course. 😏
 
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Like many people in other counties, I'll not be buying anything American for a while.

It's likely Apple will absorb your extra costs by putting up all iPhone prices worldwide.

I don't fancy paying for your stupidity.
I never thought this sentiment would proliferate so quickly. I have heard this from so many sides now.
 
Yeah, we're so dumb here.
We really are
That's why we're the largest trading partner in the world
From decades of policies the polar opposite of Trump’s
and Ukraine asked us for help, and not you guys first.
Because we’re the ones that promised to ensure their borders in exchange for them giving up their nukes in the ‘90s
The EU is about as irrelevant as countries like Canada and Mexico.
The EU is the largest trade bloc in the world, and has a GDP starting to approach the US. Were the UK still in the bloc (and I’d be willing to bet within the next 20 years they’ll rejoin) it would have a *bigger* GDP than the US.

Calling the EU irrelevant is a supremely weird take.

As for Canada and Mexico, sure they’re smaller than us but they’re definitely not irrelevant, especially to us, massive amounts of food, goods, and services the US depends on come from both countries and they’re *deeply* integrated into our supply chains. Apropos of nothing btw, Canada sends peacekeepers to more situations around the world than any other country.
Speaking of "idiocracy" you guys still have a monarchy government style... Something from the 1400s.
Outside of the Vatican and kinda/sorta Monaco, both of which are not exactly massive, Europe is pretty much entirely functional democracies. If you think otherwise you’re deeply misinformed.
 
Thank you for this.

Be careful, people might start calling you an arrogant American.

You're right, of course. 😏
In the eye of the world, America is considered "arrogant" on so many levels. Especially me being American born and raised. Not surprised at all. I'm a very humble person with a humbled beginning. Crazy part? So many foreigners trying to move to America to follow the "American Dream" as they will call it. Then, when the foreigners do move here, they have no proper etiquettes in social outings and worst yet, nerves to be rude and disrespectful. I've said this before and will say it again. Let us as Americans go to their home countries and act the way we do in America there. We're going to get locked up without questions. Despite being born and raised in America, I have taken upon myself to learn of other cultures that exist around the world and I find it fascinating and enlightening as well as heartbreaking depending on how I look at it. Again, I'm willing to be mindful and respectful of other cultures. In all honesty, I don't get that vibes from some foreigners who come here. If so, I will think it's an ulterior motive for personal gain. I considered myself a person of intelligence and reason and I see it and call it as it is whether anybody agrees or disagrees with me or not. I don't know why I'm typing this long paragraph. One thing that I will make clear that my late elders always told me: FREEDOM IS A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. DON'T F*** IT UP DOING STUPID STUFFS. It rings true today, as it did when I was first told.
 
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