Is the Age of Apple Over?

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  1. macher macrumors 65816

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    Been doing a lot of reading, watching and playing with the Pixel. My opinion is Google with the Pixel nailed it. Has the potential to be equal with the iPhone.

    Anyone else have an opinion?
     
  2. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    As long as Apple makes phones/devices I want to buy then this 'age' is not over for me.

    If they fail to redesign the physical look of the iPhone this year then I will be exploring my options though.

    However…it won't be Android. If I leave, I will return from whence I came - Windows Mobile.
     
  3. noobinator macrumors 603

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    Google should change their name to Orange. I feel this would give them the edge to overtake Apple.
     
  4. CTHarrryH macrumors 68000

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    No Apple's era isn't over. Can they ruin it yes but not yet and not the way they are going
     
  5. Relentless Power, Jan 19, 2017
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    I think this will be a good year for the iPhone and ready for new changes.

    My opinion is a whole new design is coming. Apple certainly needs to stray away from the previous design with the iPhone 6/6s/7 if they want to stay relevant. I'm confident the iPhone 8 will be a big change. I still believe Apple makes the best products in the electronic industry.
     
  6. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    Is the Age of Apple over? No. Apple is still creating innovative products that millions of people use, and want to continue using. The only people complaining, (that I have seen) are those who get paid to make such self-absorbed pronouncements (for the sake of web hits and media attention) expecting Apple (as well as many other tech businesses) to produce design results on some magical scale of expectation, that said individuals have deemed to be. I have also seen such complaints on MacRumors, by many people who have grown bored with their device, as if it is Apple's job to make sure that said person(s) are no longer bored, or said person(s) have some kind of misguided notion, that anything Apple does (or others) should be perfect (re: iOS, MacOS, OS X)
     
  7. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    Is that why the iPhone 7/7+ is the THIRD iteration of the iPhone 6/6+ series?

    Or are you speaking solely of internal changes?
     
  8. Sunny1990 Suspended

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    It's your opinion, this is a S year and we are getting the same old design with some new more fancy colors and updated internals (I myself am waiting for iPhone 7S Plus in jet White)
     
  9. noobinator macrumors 603

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    Is it more important to look drastically new ever year or perform better? I think they look nice and perform awesome.
     
  10. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    It is more important to me that they look new at least every two years. Lots of people buy their devices around here based on specs. Better CPU, camera, more ram, etc, etc.

    I buy based on looks. My usage of my device has not changed since May 2009. The same things I do now I could accomplish using a 3GS running iOS 5. So, while new and updated internals are nice - that is never my consideration when I buy. I keep my phone for 2 to 3.5 years before replacing it. I don't want to hate the damn thing because it's fugly every time I use it.

    And Apple gave us fugly with the antenna lines and camera bulge on the 6. They kept it with the 6s and they doubled down on fugly with the 7/7+ and that huge ass boil they call a camera lens. Frankly, I'd take my phone a little thicker so the camera lens is flush.
     
  11. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    So, if the iPhone has the same "Old design" as you stated, then why would you purchase the iPhone 7 and then complain about it as you have in other threads?

    Basically, your saying the iPhone 8 will have the same "Boring" design as the other iPhones, in which your willing to purchase and then Apple bash? That sounds about what you're doing right now. Contradicting your own quotes without explaining why you like the iPhone 7, only to disparage against it.
     
  12. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    Your post is evidence of what I just posted.

    My previous post was speaking of (albeit it in brevity) Apple's innovation in all areas (over time). Just because some people have placed their own perceived timeline and type of innovation on Apple and expected it to be thus and thus, that doesn't mean that Apple has failed to bring innovation and improvement of product. It simply means that the person placing such personal (and ill-placed expectations read: logical fallacy) on Apple was disappointed. And many times, said persons rail against Apple for not meeting those personal and ill-placed timelines.
     
  13. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    OK.

    My 2013 Sentra is an improvement and innovation over the 2012 model year by that standard. Because Nissan changed the body style in 2013.

    But park a 2012 Sentra (which I used to own) next to a 2007 Sentra and you will have to look hard to see 'innovation' because Nissan didn't change the body style for five years.

    I can recognize innovation in internals. But claiming innovation and releasing it in the same body style every year (6/6s/7) is not my idea of innovation.

    Which does not mean I think you're wrong. I just don't share your viewpoint.
     
  14. timeconsumer macrumors 65816

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    I've had a Pixel for 2.5 months and here's my experience thus far:

    Issue 1: Charging would fluctuate from charging and not charging. The fix was to swap cables with my GF who did not have this issue at all. However, now she's having a similar issue and my replacement Pixel (will get into that later) can charge using the cable that we swapped.

    Issue 2: Microphone went out and nobody could hear me on a call. However, if I used speakerphones or headphones it was perfectly fine. I had to get a replacement device.

    I used the built in support option to troubleshoot this issue. They had me restart the phone into safe mode and the same issue occured. They then had me factory reset the device to test which had the same microphone issue. Google support then recommended a replacement device. I gave them my IMEID and was told they couldn't help because I purchased my Pixel from Verizon. Fortunately Verizon replaced my Pixel, however, they replaced it with one that only has a 90 day warranty. So I now lose out on 7 months of warranty.

    Issue 3: WiFi calling is constantly disabling itself so I have to go in and re-enable it when I notice that it's disabled.

    Issue 4: Visual Voicemail tab is disappearing in my phone app and the only way to fix this is to go into the phone app settings to disable and re-enable.

    On Verizon, I can have 40 voicemails on an iPhone, on an Android phone the max is 20. While it didn't delete any, the Pixel has no option to download/save your voicemails. So I had to delete some until I got to less than 20 which was annoying because there was a reason why I had kept these. I guess I didn't do my research on this one before moving over but I didn't realize it would be more limited.

    Issue 5: On full volume (or the top 3 volume settings) the speaker will make a popping/cracking noise.

    Then things I would consider to be basic on iOS are not on Android. Examples:

    1. If I have a tracking number on iOS in notes or in the Messages app, iOS knows it's a tracking number and gives me an option to track.

    2. No option to save voicemails. On iOS this is really easy to do.

    3. Nicknames. While you can add Nicknames there's no option to have texts or calls display the nickname for that person, on iOS you can do this.

    4. While apps in general seem to be improving, it seems that apps on iOS are still better. A lot of apps that utilize Touch ID to login on iOS still require me to use my username and password on Android.

    So no, I don't think Apple is over just yet. The Pixel while it is a good device has too many bugs and issues to work out. In my short time with the Pixel I've had more issues with it than iPhones I've owned since 2008. Apple does need to improve on things, but I don't think they have anything to worry about right now. That said, I do like my Pixel and I'll be using it hoping that I don't need another warranty replacement because the replacement device Verizon exchanged is older than my first device so it's possible to get the same microphone issue again. But I certainly do miss the polish of iOS, just don't miss the iOS 10 notifications!
     
  15. AppleFan91, Jan 19, 2017
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    I just re-upped again with apple haha. I upgraded to the 7 Plus and MacBook Pro. Apple still is number one when it comes to hardware + software cohesion. Samsung may have the hardware in terms of raw specs and google may have the software, but they aren't one cohesive unit such as the iPhone, iOS, iCloud, etc.
     
  16. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    If one is buying a product based solely on looks, and is placing his or her own expectation on a company, and then getting disappointed or angry at the company when his or her expectations are not met each time, one is going to be constantly disappointed and it isn't the fault of Apple or any other company.

    In my opinion, a person with the aforementioned thought process is the one to blame for his or her own disappointment of product.
     
  17. Relentless Power macrumors Core

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    I agree it's time for a new chassis. The iPhone physically looks stagnant to me, even though the speed and speakers are decent features in the iPhone 7. Even though I enjoy my iPhone 7, I wasn't nearly excited As I have been in the past. That's what others want, that excitement of something "Different." After three years, most appear ready for a change.
     
  18. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    LOL! You sound like the perfect customer for the Pontiac Aztec! :D

    I agree to a point. But I'm not upset about it. My action will be to move on if there is no change this year. There is no anger or animosity against Apple in that decision. Just my execution of preference and choice for a different, better looking (to me) device.
     
  19. v0lume4 macrumors 68000

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    The age of Apple being the only option that doesn't suck is over, yes.

    However for the majority of folks (those not on MacRumors forums) the choice is Apple, bar none. When they walk into Verizon looking for a new phone, they ask for the newest iPhone. It's not even a question. When they go shopping for a laptop, it's a MacBook, bar none.

    And Apple's products are great, so it's no surprise. They have established themselves in everyone's mind as the brand to buy, without questions, and with good reason. But they aren't the only option anymore. That part has changed.

    I myself recently switched to Android and am having a great time with it. A couple of things irk me. But Apple will really have to impress me with hardware AND software in order to get me back.
     
  20. timeconsumer macrumors 65816

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    The expectation was set by Apple. For what I can remember they have done two iterations of a phone and then a new design.

    3G, 3GS
    4, 4s
    5, 5s
    6, 6s, 7

    So it's not wrong for people to have expected a new design for the 7 as Apple set those expectations with their past release history.
     
  21. Altis macrumors 68030

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    It isn't that it's over, but it's not the same as it used to be.

    They're off on a different direction towards services. I'm not a fan myself -- don't care to have all my devices turn into stores.
     
  22. macher thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Well since it's the 1st Gen Pixel the main 'feature' I see that is attractive is the software and software is one cohesive unit. This is a Google phone in the same way the iPhone is. My opinion Google software such as email, Calendar app(Google) etc puts Apple to shame. Up until now all that was available for the most part was Android with a lot of different manufacturers. Yea there was the Nexus but the Pixel is different.

    I didn't jump on the Pixel because it's 1st gen and got a iPhone 7. But the Pixel defiantly has the potential to become the iPhone equal at the very least.

    Yea the iPhone runs apps as smooth as a baby's butt. But I don't use Apple software on any of my hardware only if I have too.
     
  23. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    Apple is innovating each time (in many ways). It is as I said, many people placing their own expectation of what they would do if they were Apple, or what they think Apple should do each release, and then getting disappointed or angry with Apple, or trotting out the 'innovation with Apple' rhetoric. Time and time again said persons are disappointed and they can't understand that the disappointment comes from their own logical fallacy.

    In my opinion, it would be much better for a consumer to not invoke logical fallacy with Apple (or any other business). See product for what it is at that moment in time, not through the mental lense of what I have been speaking of. In that light, a person is better able to assess whether or not a product will meet his or her needs at that moment in time.
     
  24. v0lume4 macrumors 68000

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    I think the problem lies more in the fact that everyone else is moving forward while Apple isn't doing anything new in hardware design. I'll give you an example -- the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge came out last year. That was on an S-year for the iPhone as the iPhone 6 redesign had only happened a year prior. Fast-forward to now -- the supposed redesign year (given Apple's tick-tock redesign cycle) and Apple is STILL using the same design. And the added features for the iPhone 7 (save for the dual camera) were just playing catch-up to what other manufacturers are doing.
     
  25. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    AH!

    So you are speaking in terms of need?

    I.e., what you purchase is based mainly on if you need it or not?

    If so, we are inverse again. I buy based on want. If I happen to need it then fine. Need is a factor in purchases that truly are needs but I often go farther than that. I may need a phone for the basic things I use it for. But I choose to buy an iPhone and the max capacity offered at that because it's what I WANT.

    So seeing things in the context of what I need is not normally a viewpoint I have because the need usually gets taken care when the something I want happens to satisfy that.
     

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