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I don't know if its the same way because I haven't used Android in a while but I used to prefer Google apps on iOS versus Android. On Android they may even offer more features and options but something just didn't feel as nice about them. Not sure if it was the scrolling issues from yesteryear or what.

Nowadays I prefer Apples software hands down. However I preferred their simple approach, lately it seems they getting away from that and packing more and more features into their apps and iOS without overhauling them for the features, making them less intuitive.

Just my opinion.

As far as 'Is the Age of Apple over?'. Not even close. Tech people like us are hard to impress, average consumers are still blown away by their products. Pixel, iPhone, Galaxy, etc etc their all just phones to me, each having their pros and cons. Where Apple excelled (imo) is making a phone then integrating it into their ecosystem so its an extension of their other products. For example, I started this reply on my iPhone...when it started to get long I finished it on my Mac via Handoff. I'm sure Android could excel at this too but it doesn't have a desktop OS and for me Windows phone is out of the question.

For me Google Service(apps) on the iPhone are way more advanced than Apple's stock apps. For instance I never use Apple Maps. Did a test a couple of days ago going to our sons away basketball game. I used Apple Maps and my wife who was the passenger used Google Maps. Apple Maps took us on a weird route. As far as email for me gmail is way more advanced than iCloud especially on the Google Inbox app. The Google Inbox app rocks and to me puts iCloud to shame. However I think that Apple hardware puts all competition to shame. To me iOS and Apple's OS make for a almost buttery smooth experience and yet somewhat simple to use.

To me the Apple ecosystem 'being able to work on all your Apple hardware' is hype per se. It's like people say there's Apple's system then 'there's everybody else.' I don't look at Google as an ecosystem, I look at services based on technology. Not than I'm a techy, I consider myself a little above an average Joe user.
 
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Is that why the iPhone 7/7+ is the THIRD iteration of the iPhone 6/6+ series?

Or are you speaking solely of internal changes?
I was wondering this. Apple seem to be happiest letting other companies develope new tech, let them work on it for a year or two, then adopt it just in time for it to be outdated.
 
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For me Google Service(apps) on the iPhone are way more advanced than Apple's stock apps. For instance I never use Apple Maps. Did a test a couple of days ago going to our sons away basketball game. I used Apple Maps and my wife who was the passenger used Google Maps. Apple Maps took us on a weird route. As far as email for me gmail is way more advanced than iCloud especially on the Google Inbox app. The Google Inbox app rocks and to me puts iCloud to shame. However I think that Apple hardware puts all competition to shame. To me iOS and Apple's OS make for a almost buttery smooth experience and yet somewhat simple to use.

To me the Apple ecosystem 'being able to work on all your Apple hardware' is hype per se. It's like people say there's Apple's system then 'there's everybody else.' I don't look at Google as an ecosystem, I look at services based on technology. Not than I'm a techy, I consider myself a little above an average Joe user.


I wasnt comparing Google services to Apple services. I was comparing Google services on Android to Google services on iOS.

As far as the change of subject. I still have Google maps on my iPhone but over the last year, I've found Apple maps to be just as good for me. Yes it took a VERY long time. But now that Apple uses plot information to pin point addresses I don't have a problem with it. Sure sometimes Apple maps will take the long way but Google does it all the time too. Its not perfect by any means, for some reason if I don't enter the entire address it will "guess" the wrong state or city. And satellite images arent as good. AND it doesn't have street view which I don't use often but in a city looking for the entrance to a parking garage can be useful. All stuff I rarely use or need however its a moot point because I have the option to use Google maps if I choose. Besides its a preference.

Apples ecosystem is a service for me and greatly enhances the ecosystem. Being able to send and receive text and make phone calls on my Mac is very useful. Instant hotspot on my iPad via my iPhone is incredibly useful. Taking a picture on my iPhone and its saved on my Mac without any interaction by me. Other iCloud services. etc etc

I get its not for everyone or their desire for an Android device may outweigh their desire for a tight ecosystem. But for me Android doesn't actually offer me anything. And after using iOS in combination with OS X (MacOS) I would be more likely to switch to Windows. However thats a huge compromise for me so its not even a competition compared to Android.

Thats just my opinion, I respect that your opinion on the subject differs and I think you should stick with what you like best.
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I was wondering this. Apple seem to be happiest letting other companies develope new tech, let them work on it for a year or two, then adopt it just in time for it to be outdated.

I feel this is true in a sense however I would say its more accurate that Apple takes tech (I wouldnt say "outdated" though), makes it actually work right and be useful again. A lot of other phone manufacturers half ass something, drop it, leaving their customers SOL.

Motorola Atrix was probably the first phone to use a fingerprint sensor. It was garbage. Apple picked it up, nearly perfected it and now its common place amongst iOS devices and competitor phones.

Not saying Apple isn't guilty of dropping services people use but that is usually because its a garbage idea not a garbage implementation.

It appears we may see the same thing with wireless charging seeing how Apple bought out a company that specializes in wireless charging over distance a while back. But still people will obsess over the idea how Apple didn't make wireless charging which is true but that is only to distract from the point Apple enhanced the user experience for it.
 
The Pixel just copied the iPhone and put the Google logo on it

The software isn't special (Assistant is nice)

And the hardware design was mostly copied from HTC
Plus the hardware isn't unique, there's no dual speakers, water resistance, mute switch, dual camera, pretty color

I'm not saying it's a bad phone, and it wasn't easy job
But you don't win copying someone and making less of what they have
 
I got fed up with Apples lies about how great the camera was and battery life and that the put the best camera on the plus sized phone. So FU apple i got a S7 Edge and it gorgeous, it gives me that new phone feeling that i haven't had with apple in a good few years. Also apple tech gets bogged down to the point of being broken after a few updates so it will be interesting to see if my Edge does the same. Its also nice to have some customisation options and android is now just like iOS but more flexible. Only negative with my edge is Fingerprint reader is crap so I've turned it off. Other than that id rate the Edge a solid 10 and look forward to the S8. laters Apple.
 
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Been doing a lot of reading, watching and playing with the Pixel. My opinion is Google with the Pixel nailed it. Has the potential to be equal with the iPhone.

Anyone else have an opinion?

Apple is done is said every year and nothing could be further from the truth. They are a billion dollar company with a popular brand that all other competitors envy and try to copy. Google with it's Pixel phone is a perfect example of that. There are millions of people buying Apple products so just because you enjoy your nice new phone from Google, may others don't give a crap about it.

Just wait until Apple revisits the TV.
 
Apple is done is said every year and nothing could be further from the truth. They are a billion dollar company with a popular brand that all other competitors envy and try to copy. Google with it's Pixel phone is a perfect example of that. There are millions of people buying Apple products so just because you enjoy your nice new phone from Google, may others don't give a crap about it.

Just wait until Apple revisits the TV.

Literally every year since before the iPhone was released and even after. I remember people saying this during the 3G days. Nothing last forever but Apple won't fall overnight. And by the time they do most of us will have moved on anyway....
 
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Literally every year since before the iPhone was released and even after. I remember people saying this during the 3G days. Nothing last forever but Apple won't fall overnight. And by the time they do most of us will have moved on anyway....

Microsoft has fell and they are doing just fine. I see Apple going out that way if and when it happens.
 
Literally every year since before the iPhone was released and even after. I remember people saying this during the 3G days. Nothing last forever but Apple won't fall overnight. And by the time they do most of us will have moved on anyway....

What I think Apple is emphasizing is not necessarily hardware design but enhancing their ecosystem and perfecting it.

Personally I am not in Apple's ecosystem only if I have too, so their ecosystem doesn't matter to me.
 
As long as apple continue to sell millions and millions of their products they are not in danger. Iphones’s are still the biggest selling phone out there and can’t see that changing anytime soon. The OLED iphone 8 will set all kinds of records I imagine
 
Nothing will be age, either Android or iOS. None of it will be perfect as well because they is no perfect thing in this world. Just pick the one in your heart. :) The one in your heart is the one not age.

innovation? No phone in market now is making 2nd wave of mobile innovation. The 1st and only innovation happen is when announcement of 1st iPhone where change the way people use mobile phone. After that nor-matter the iOS or Android is making improvement over and over, each of it is copying each others to gain better experience but innovation? Nope, none of them have. Innovation is not that easier to happening.
 
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Nothing will be age, either Android or iOS. None of it will be perfect as well because they is no perfect thing in this world. Just pick the one in your heart. :) The one in your heart is the one not age.

innovation? No phone in market now is making 2nd wave of mobile innovation. The 1st and only innovation happen is when announcement of 1st iPhone where change the way people use mobile phone. After that nor-matter the iOS or Android is making improvement over and over, each of it is copying each others to gain better experience but innovation? Nope, none of them have. Innovation is not that easier to happening.


Android with the Pixel give you the ability to do stuff like open two apps simultaneously in a split screen and drag text from one to the other to copy/paste. To me that's innovative, that's quick and useful, it's a desktop OS feature on my phone that really helps me do stuff efficiently.

iOS lets you do garbage like handwrite in iMessage or inserts emojis as you type. What? Why?! Give them something that is actually a time saver and would simplify the way people interact with the devices, not useless gunk that people use once and then forget about it.

There's plenty of innovation if you care to look and see.
 
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Android with the Pixel give you the ability to do stuff like open two apps simultaneously in a split screen and drag text from one to the other to copy/paste. To me that's innovative, that's quick and useful, it's a desktop OS feature on my phone that really helps me do stuff efficiently.

iOS lets you do garbage like handwrite in iMessage or inserts emojis as you type. What? Why?! Give them something that is actually a time saver and would simplify the way people interact with the devices, not useless gunk that people use once and then forget about it.

There's plenty of innovation if you care to look and see.
Innovative? open two apps simultaneously is long ago at Samsung Galaxy phone, since Note 3, Samsung already implement this function. It is not new as this function is there since 2013. This feature Samsung already enhance to dunno how many level, Google itself just doing it. It can't call innovative. Open two apps is Google copying Samsung function, actually recently nearly all Google new features had been implement long ago by Samsung.

I use Android since year 2010 - Google Nexus One and I already use 19 Android phones from HTC (HTC One) to Samsung (Galaxy SII, SIII, Note 3, Note 4, Note 5, S6 Edge, S7 Edge) to Sony (Z, Z Ultra) to Google (HTC Nexus One, Moto Nexus 6, LG Nexus 5x - where this phone later update to Android Nougat and Pixel Launcher) to Xiaomi (Redmi Note, Mi4i, Redmi Note 3, Mi Max) to LG (G4) to Huawei (P9 Plus). I know very very well what Android can do.
 
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It is more important to me that they look new at least every two years. Lots of people buy their devices around here based on specs. Better CPU, camera, more ram, etc, etc.

I buy based on looks. My usage of my device has not changed since May 2009. The same things I do now I could accomplish using a 3GS running iOS 5. So, while new and updated internals are nice - that is never my consideration when I buy. I keep my phone for 2 to 3.5 years before replacing it. I don't want to hate the damn thing because it's fugly every time I use it.

And Apple gave us fugly with the antenna lines and camera bulge on the 6. They kept it with the 6s and they doubled down on fugly with the 7/7+ and that huge ass boil they call a camera lens. Frankly, I'd take my phone a little thicker so the camera lens is flush.
I agree with everything except being able to use a 3GS on iOS 5 and the looks of the black iPhone 7 models. The antenna lines are hidden very well on my jet black 7 and the camera is the same distance from the top and side in its corner, so it doesn't look nearly as bad as the iPhone 6/6s models.

At this point, though, I don't need my phone to be any faster (my iPhone 7 doesn't really perform any better than an iPhone 6s), camera updates are always welcome but I barely use the camera anyway, and I don't really need a lot of these new features like 3D Touch and a button-less home button. I'd rather a new, better design at this point. If the next iPhone had the exact same internals as the iPhone 7 but a design that was new and looked much better, I'd buy it without hesitation.
 
I agree with everything except being able to use a 3GS on iOS 5 and the looks of the black iPhone 7 models. The antenna lines are hidden very well on my jet black 7 and the camera is the same distance from the top and side in its corner, so it doesn't look nearly as bad as the iPhone 6/6s models.

At this point, though, I don't need my phone to be any faster (my iPhone 7 doesn't really perform any better than an iPhone 6s), camera updates are always welcome but I barely use the camera anyway, and I don't really need a lot of these new features like 3D Touch and a button-less home button. I'd rather a new, better design at this point. If the next iPhone had the exact same internals as the iPhone 7 but a design that was new and looked much better, I'd buy it without hesitation.
Apple seems to be adopting the model of the car industry. There's a new model every year but body style changes happen only every so many years.

It works for cars because that's a big purchase and unless you have a lot of money you aren't buying a new car every year.

I was ok when it was a 2 year cycle because that dovetails with our upgrade pattern. I'm not so crazy about a body style change every 3 years or so. I know they upgrade internals every year (and iOS) but I have yet to find anything since iOS 6 that has caused me any excitement. It's only been the look of the device over the years.

I only have a 6s+ right now because of circumstance, not actual desire for the phone.
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iPhone 7 big disappointment.
It was the reason I stayed on my 6s+ this year when I could have upgraded.

So, yeah. I agree.
 
I could buy Apple if I had a dollar every time someone said Apple is Doomed
I could buy Apple if I had a dollar for every time someone put words in the mouth of the OP, who only asked a question and never said at all that Apple was doomed.
 
I don't think the age of Apple is over, let's not other that Apple went through a very big transition with the death of Steve Jobs. Has Apple changed, yes but that was bound to happen with any new C.E.O that they had, but I don't think "the age of Apple" is over at all, let's not forget we have still had great products without Steve Jobs, the iPhone 6 Plus was the very first large screen iPhone, they are great iPhones. It's probably been implemented differently without Steve Jobs and the style of Apple is different, but change can also be a good thing.
 
The Pixel just copied the iPhone and put the Google logo on it

The software isn't special (Assistant is nice)

And the hardware design was mostly copied from HTC
Plus the hardware isn't unique, there's no dual speakers, water resistance, mute switch, dual camera, pretty color

I'm not saying it's a bad phone, and it wasn't easy job
But you don't win copying someone and making less of what they have
Before I bought a Pixel one of my concerns was that I would (out of habit) try to press in the middle of the bottom bezel for the home button because on the front it looks nearly identical to an iPhone and the back reminds me of a 6s with the antenna lines, so I'd say your post is extremely valid.

From the Nexus 6p to the Pixel they got rid of the front stereo speakers and they missed an opportunity with the Pixel to jump onto the water resistance band wagon.

I think where the Pixel shines the iPhone 7 falls short and where the iPhone 7 shines the Pixel falls short. However, I still think from a complete package (hardware, software, accessories and manufacturer support) the iPhone 7 is still the best.

I don't think 2016 was a good year for phones at all but I'm remaining optimistic for 2017.
 
Apple seems to be adopting the model of the car industry. There's a new model every year but body style changes happen only every so many years.

It works for cars because that's a big purchase and unless you have a lot of money you aren't buying a new car every year

Excellent analogy with the car. Apple has improved the internals, but the external changes have been incremental these past few years. Incremental isn't necessarily a bad thing, but now is the time for a change. And I think that change is coming in September.
 
Excellent analogy with the car. Apple has improved the internals, but the external changes have been incremental these past few years. Incremental isn't necessarily a bad thing, but now is the time for a change. And I think that change is coming in September.
I think the opposite I really hope they go with the "S" year this time,same design (I personally love this design and can go two more coming years)with some internal upgrades and fancy new variety of colors
 
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