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Your "I'm more complex than most people" kind of goes with my comment before that you have quite an ego there.

You need to get the context right. You said in a prior post that you couldn't remember to take your watch off the charger. Did you not? If you can't remember to take your watch off the charger, then how do you remember to take your phone off the charger if it is laying right next to it?

You post some ridiculous statement about 9 out of 10 watches being returned, and I called you on it. You keep calling things facts that aren't facts... and not even remotely accurate. I posted some actual data to help point out how ridiculous what you said was.

Um, yeh. How exactly would I not have a right to state that I like something and see value in it? Or does your ego make you think that only you can have an opinion on this? This is a discussion forum, and when you make ridiculous statements, people will call you on them.

In order, its nothing to do with ego (and you seem unable to understand sarcasm around being complex), major issue with the AW watch - it connects to one device, so i have a choice. link for work, link for personal. totally different responses. work, "call you later", type responses simply wont work... it's that simple.

No, YOU have the context wrong. someone said they cant remember to flip the mute switch on the phone in the morning, to which i responded why was it any different to remembering to put on the watch in the first place? I have no issues remembering to put on the watch or turning on the mute function on my phone so as to not be "one of those people"

You don't know what the returns or the sales are. That data is simply not public. PERIOD but you post the same rubbish from a source that's got no access to the data, in the same way i make up "9/10", but it's appears more than true AW has had more returns than previous apple products. For reasons i have no idea, i can only "guess" it's surmised by the title of this thread as the value (value and cost are not the same thing) in real terms is low.

This is a discussion forum so why are my opinions on this product ego, but yours fact or real?
Maybe because you like it, i don't? So by your measure than means everything i say is incorrect? but by the same measure it makes everything you say...? How complex is that (this is sarcasm!)

The AW is too slow, that's a real problem like it or not, its not got any real USP, its not able to do sleep or heath activities without running out of power - kinda key and linked to the same thing the HR monitor is not even close to being accurate and seems to take ages to notice changes, flipping the watch to see the screen doesn't always work, it's too expensive vs its peers, it's too focused on siri and siri is just not that good as yet and gets frustrating, the OS feels rushed/beta still, its an extension device that still requires you to carry the phone you can't add a contact from a txt for example - I didn't try adding one from a call history, I'm not bothered about the shape, it's limited to a single device pairing, most things on the screen are a struggle to use comfortably, running youtube make the device unpleasantly hot, if you get lots of emails the battery struggles. How's that for being objective - no doubt you will dispute everyone, but they are real..!
 
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Absolutely not a waste of money for me. It's an integral part of my Evil Retirement Plan. Thus far, I've lost 60 pounds. The gameification of fitness may sound silly, but it works for me.
 
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Most people won't use the Ignore button, and so you have other people coming here and reading BS and possibly believing it. I'd rather challenge the BS.

How do you know most people don't use Ignore button?
As I said it before, there is nothing good come out of listening people repeatedly BS.
 
How do you know most people don't use Ignore button?
As I said it before, there is nothing good come out of listening people repeatedly BS.

He posts some ridiculous statements and when called out on them he likes calling things facts that aren't facts... and not even remotely accurate! :D
 
In order, its nothing to do with ego (and you seem unable to understand sarcasm around being complex), major issue with the AW watch - it connects to one device, so i have a choice. link for work, link for personal. totally different responses. work, "call you later", type responses simply wont work... it's that simple.
I'm trying to understand how you leaped to "it can only connect to one device", I will assume you carry around two phones... one for work and one for home? If that's the case, clearly the AW isn't going to work well in that scenario. If that isn't what you meant, than I have no idea what you are talking about. I use my iPhone for work and home, and have no problem responding to both from my AW. You'd be very unusual if you NEVER can respond to a text with a simply reply. You don't have to like the AW if it doesn't work for you. That doesn't make it a bad product with 90% return rates.
No, YOU have the context wrong. someone said they cant remember to flip the mute switch on the phone in the morning, to which i responded why was it any different to remembering to put on the watch in the first place? I have no issues remembering to put on the watch or turning on the mute function on my phone so as to not be "one of those people"
I reread your post. I misread it.. you said it was easier to put your phone in mute than putting on a watch. Neither one is enough bother to impact my day... won't speak for you. We are talking about things in a morning routine that are measured in seconds.
You don't know what the returns or the sales are. That data is simply not public. PERIOD but you post the same rubbish from a source that's got no access to the data, in the same way i make up "9/10", but it's appears more than true AW has had more returns than previous apple products. For reasons i have no idea, i can only "guess" it's surmised by the title of this thread as the value (value and cost are not the same thing) in real terms is low.
You are right, I don't know the return rates for AW. I wasn't stating them, you were. You said 90%. I said that was BS and provided at least some data other than my opinion that a significant percentage of AW buyer are happy. I don't believe I've made any claim of return rates in this thread... I just said your claim was BS. If you are going to throw out ridiculous claims, expect people to challenge them.
This is a discussion forum so why are my opinions on this product ego, but yours fact or real?
Maybe because you like it, i don't? So by your measure than means everything i say is incorrect? but by the same measure it makes everything you say...? How complex is that (this is sarcasm!)
The ego comments were directed at the tone you took that the AW is a failure (because it doesn't work for you), that others lives must not be as complex as yours (because we can get use from the AW), and because you stated that I and others don't have a "right" to state that the AW is a good product. I and several others in this thread have stated numerous times that the AW isn't for everyone. The whole point of this thread, I'm guessing, is to discuss why some think its a waste of money, and why others don't. Lot's of people don't find use in it and think its a waste of money. They should return it. Lots of others find use in it and think it provides value for what they spent. I'm one of them. The only thing I called you on for BS was your ridiculous return claims and blanket statements that don't apply to everyone as you've implied.
The AW is too slow, that's a real problem like it or not, its not got any real USP, its not able to do sleep or heath activities without running out of power - kinda key and linked to the same thing the HR monitor is not even close to being accurate and seems to take ages to notice changes, flipping the watch to see the screen doesn't always work, it's too expensive vs its peers, it's too focused on siri and siri is just not that good as yet and gets frustrating, the OS feels rushed/beta still, its an extension device that still requires you to carry the phone you can't add a contact from a txt for example - I didn't try adding one from a call history, I'm not bothered about the shape, it's limited to a single device pairing, most things on the screen are a struggle to use comfortably, running youtube make the device unpleasantly hot, if you get lots of emails the battery struggles. How's that for being objective - no doubt you will dispute everyone, but they are real..!

I am not even going to try and interpret that stream of gibberish. If you were trying to set some kind of record for a run on sentence, you nailed it. Let me try to net it out... you don't like it... it doesn't work for your "complex" life. Got it. You aren't everyone.

I've spent the time to configure the AW for my life and love it.... here are a couple of the things that I like about it. Not trying to convince you that you should like it, just providing something to support why I like it.

- Notifications of messages/calls - the PRIMARY reason I bought the AW was because for whatever reason I often don't feel my iPhone vibrating in my pocket. The AW alleviates this problem and I don't miss calls or messages any longer.
- Keep my 6s Plus in my pocket more - I have spent a lot of time tweaking my notifications and what I allow to go to the watch. Rather than pull out my phone, I can take a glance to see if a message is urgent. Many (not all) I can reply from my watch. By getting the notifications I want to my AW, I don't get as distracted and wander off for a long time on my iPhone wasted time.
- Watch - I was already wearing a watch... now I don't have to worry about it updating the date when months change (always had a problem with that), DST, etc.., or changing time zones when traveling internationally
- Weather - I use Carrot weather which has great complications and glance
- Music Controller - Use headphones on my iPhone a lot, and especially when working out its a pain to pull out the 6s Plus to change tracks. The controller on the AW glance works well for me. Also, when doing yard work and both hands are covered, I use Siri to change music. It took a while to figure out where to place the watch in relation to my mouth to get it to consistently respond, but works great once that was figured out.
- World Clock - I do a lot of international work and travel, and having available other times on my watch is very handy to be aware of what time it is at home, or at a location I'm working with.
- I sometimes can't find where I left my phone around the house, and the watch alarm to find it works better than anything else I've used. Also if I walk away from my desk to go the kitchen, and I get a call or message, I get it if I left my phone on my desk.
- I configure different apps/glances for different use cases depending on what I'm doing that day. If I'm traveling, in the office, working at home, or at play. It takes only a few seconds to configure and maybe a minute for the AW to get the new config.
- There's more, but hopefully the point is made.

You and others have complained about slowness. I have not experienced that because I don't tolerate slow apps. If they are slow, they get bumped off the watch. I am also somewhat restrictive of what I configure on the watch.

As I said, not trying to convince you that YOU should like the AW. It doesn't work for you... got it. Doesn't mean its not a good product that plenty of others see value in.
 
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He posts some ridiculous statements and when called out on them he likes calling things facts that aren't facts... and not even remotely accurate! :D

That's hilarious. You do know he's talking about you and your BS, and asking why I don't just ignore you.

Here's a challenge for you, where have I stated anything as fact in this thread? You said return rates are 9 of 10. I've not said what the return rate is, only that you are full of ####. OK... got me, I guess I'm stating that is a fact. Everything else I've posted here I've believe I've characterized as my opinion.

As for the question about the ignore button, I've started and run several forums over the years and have some experience with forum user patterns.
 
Yes, but it's even more funny that it's more applicable to you and you know it! :D
If you can't see the irony of the post, I'm not explaining it.

I've given you lots of reasons why it "doesn't work for me"; that does mean it's a waste of money and that those reasons are valid for me and not just made up by someone who's never used the product. You have not provided any counter to those comments (not that it matters either way as that's my open and honest view) and I'm more than happy to conclude you are not everyone as a "fact" and you can't conclude it's not a waste of money any more than i can claim it's a "fact" it is. What next, you want to argue best colour for a car?

You stated "most" users wont use the ignore button in the same way i used 9/10 is that therefore a "fact"?
and yes, i have two devices. I've remained polite and have not called you names or insulted you as per the rules and i don't intend to do so, but these posts are now so far off topic they will not doubt be removed because you wont see the other view. Im more than happy to say other people may well be different, but you are head on to prove in your own mind my view is wrong, and it's just not. For the reasons I've stated, the AW is a waste of money for me and that was the OPs question.
 
Yes, but it's even more funny that it's more applicable to you and you know it! :D
If you can't see the irony of the post, I'm not explaining it.

I've given you lots of reasons why it "doesn't work for me"; that does mean it's a waste of money and that those reasons are valid for me and not just made up by someone who's never used the product. You have not provided any counter to those comments (not that it matters either way as that's my open and honest view) and I'm more than happy to conclude you are not everyone as a "fact" and you can't conclude it's not a waste of money any more than i can claim it's a "fact" it is. What next, you want to argue best colour for a car?

You stated "most" users wont use the ignore button in the same way i used 9/10 is that therefore a "fact"?
and yes, i have two devices. I've remained polite and have not called you names or insulted you as per the rules and i don't intend to do so, but these posts are now so far off topic they will not doubt be removed because you wont see the other view. Im more than happy to say other people may well be different, but you are head on to prove in your own mind my view is wrong, and it's just not. For the reasons I've stated, the AW is a waste of money for me and that was the OPs question.

Finally...

Perhaps I was misinterpreting your position... and if that's the case then sorry I helped persist the debate. You were coming across to me as if you were stating the product was crap for everyone, and that no one should have the position that its a great product. It was not my intent to tell you the AW was or should be useful to you.

Doesn't work for some, does for others. A waste of money for some, a value for others. That pretty much applies to any product, but especially one like the AW. Will be interesting to see where things stand this time next year this time with the AW market position.

Truce.
 
I've forced myself into using the one I got. So far it's mostly for time, heart rate, weather, and sometimes Siri for texting.

I'm not sure if I'm making use of it or even if I like wearing it. However, I'm giving myself plenty of time to explore.
 
I've forced myself into using the one I got. So far it's mostly for time, heart rate, weather, and sometimes Siri for texting.

I'm not sure if I'm making use of it or even if I like wearing it. However, I'm giving myself plenty of time to explore.

I find that its worth continuing to tweak what Apps/Glances/Notifications are loaded on the AW, and what notifications are passing through. I honestly never really used notifications on my iPhone until i got the AW. Once I was faced with this stuff hitting my wrist, I sat down and turned off a lot of notifications on the phone, and then only mirrored a small number that I really wanted. And for the Apps/Glances, I am tweaking what I push to the AW depending on my day's plans. If I'm traveling internationally, I load a bunch of things like City Mapper, Delta, Marriott, etc.. If I'm not traveling, those are not on there at all; or I push them to the bottom of the glance queue. Once you do this a few times its pretty easy to reorganize it from the AW app on the iPhone.
 
I finally used my AW to respond to every text from my wife during my walk home today. I put my phone in my bag and kept it there just to see if I could manage with the watch as my only input.

I used a couple canned replies, an animated emoji, and dictated a few replies, too. It worked best if I spoke clearly, like a civilized human being instead of the slacker I am at heart. ;)

Took me three months to make the leap to watch-only communication, but it worked. I'm stoked.
 
The fact is as a % many more people are not happy with the AW vs any other of the recent apple products. I've no idea what the % is, but nor do you.

Wristly's surveys provides some insights through panels:

https://medium.com/wristly-thoughts/wristly-apple-watch-insider-s-report-12-35463dc919b2#.4rvp175jj

Keep in mind that these surveys are biased since its opt-in by current AW wearers. Nevertheless, it offers some good insight.

More interesting surveys here:

https://medium.com/@bdesarnauts
 
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It's easier to charge the watch and phone together every night although my watch can last a 1.5 days.

I used to have a Pebble Watch. The battery lasted 5-7 days. It's not easy to remember 2 different charge cycles for 2 difference devices.
I do try and charge them both overnight but ill still somehow remember to walk out with my phone in the morning and leave the watch behind. :rolleyes:

Maybe a decade or more of leaving the house with a phone, wallet and keys is instinct now but ive not worn a watch since i was 15 and owned a swatch! So maybe that's why the watch doesn't feel like an essential part of my routine yet. But I really do hate having something else to charge.
 
I do try and charge them both overnight but ill still somehow remember to walk out with my phone in the morning and leave the watch behind. :rolleyes:

Maybe a decade or more of leaving the house with a phone, wallet and keys is instinct now but ive not worn a watch since i was 15 and owned a swatch! So maybe that's why the watch doesn't feel like an essential part of my routine yet. But I really do hate having something else to charge.
It's funny, my girlfriend and I have had our watches for about 5 weeks now. She has on several occasions left the house without her phone because she has gotten so used to receiving notifications on the watch she forgets the phone is necessary!
 
I do try and charge them both overnight but ill still somehow remember to walk out with my phone in the morning and leave the watch behind. :rolleyes:

Maybe a decade or more of leaving the house with a phone, wallet and keys is instinct now but ive not worn a watch since i was 15 and owned a swatch! So maybe that's why the watch doesn't feel like an essential part of my routine yet. But I really do hate having something else to charge.

I still have an August 1988 Swatch in my safe :)

What is there to hate about charging something? Dedicate a space to charging electronics whether its your nightstand or a desk. I charge my iPhone, apple watch, Macbook and 2 pairs of wireless headphones all on my nightstand. That location is "charge central" for me. If I see an empty cable I forgot to put something on the charger.
 
I still have an August 1988 Swatch in my safe :)

What is there to hate about charging something? Dedicate a space to charging electronics whether its your nightstand or a desk. I charge my iPhone, apple watch, Macbook and 2 pairs of wireless headphones all on my nightstand. That location is "charge central" for me. If I see an empty cable I forgot to put something on the charger.

I also charge on my nightstand ... but just my iPhone and Watch. Takes about 5 seconds to hook them both up and another 10 seconds to set my alarms on both. I can't imagine forgetting to pick one of two things up in the morning when getting dressed.
 
I also charge on my nightstand ... but just my iPhone and Watch. Takes about 5 seconds to hook them both up and another 10 seconds to set my alarms on both. I can't imagine forgetting to pick one of two things up in the morning when getting dressed.

It becomes a habit after a while and you won't forget it unless your regular morning routine is interrupted by something.
 
I finally used my AW to respond to every text from my wife during my walk home today. I put my phone in my bag and kept it there just to see if I could manage with the watch as my only input.

I used a couple canned replies, an animated emoji, and dictated a few replies, too. It worked best if I spoke clearly, like a civilized human being instead of the slacker I am at heart. ;)

Took me three months to make the leap to watch-only communication, but it worked. I'm stoked.

Yeah, between canned messages, emojis and voice dictation, I'd say I'm answering a solid 80%-90% of my texts with the Watch.

Phone calls are about 50-50, depending on whether I'm in my home/office/car vs. being out in public.

I use canned messages and dictation occasionally with email, but longer work emails are still done on my phone...actually, they're done mostly on my laptop.

Oddly enough, my iPhone has fallen to third place, behind the Watch and Macbook, when it comes to text/email/call frequency. At this point, I use my phone mostly for web surfing and a chess app.
 
I still have an August 1988 Swatch in my safe :)

What is there to hate about charging something? Dedicate a space to charging electronics whether its your nightstand or a desk. I charge my iPhone, apple watch, Macbook and 2 pairs of wireless headphones all on my nightstand. That location is "charge central" for me. If I see an empty cable I forgot to put something on the charger.

I also charge on my nightstand ... but just my iPhone and Watch. Takes about 5 seconds to hook them both up and another 10 seconds to set my alarms on both. I can't imagine forgetting to pick one of two things up in the morning when getting dressed.

Maybe its just me then - I still simply cannot or have not got in to the routine of picking my watch up in the morning - and admittedly I am not the brightest bulb in the box before 9 am :oops:, but even then picking up the phone is like reflex on my way out of the door. The watch ... well sometimes it makes it and sometimes it doesn't!!

I have just received a nice watch stand for Christmas which I have set up on my bedside table so here's hoping that helps - my own little charge central!!!
 
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Maybe its just me then - I still simply cannot or have not got in to the routine of picking my watch up in the morning - and admittedly I am not the brightest bulb in the box before 9 am :oops:, but even then picking up the phone is like reflex on my way out of the door. The watch ... well sometimes it makes it and sometimes it doesn't!!

I have just received a nice watch stand for Christmas which I have set up on my bedside table so here's hoping that helps - my own little charge central!!!

I like having a stand because it keeps my charging cables for both the watch and the iPhone from falling behind my bedside table. I take off the watch when I get into bed and set it down on the charging stand. I find it much easier then plugging in my iPhone since I have always thought the lightning cable was a pain to line up (maybe it's just the iPhone case I'm using).

Anyway... the watch goes into nightstand mode and the alarm goes off in the morning. Sometimes I put it on while I'm still in bed, so I can snooze the alarm and have it tap me on the wrist when it's time to get up or snooze again (which my wife appreciates since she doesn't have to listen to my alarm go off two or three times). When I don't hit the snooze I just dismiss the alarm and put the watch on as I'm getting dressed.

In the last five months I have not forgotten to put on my watch a single time, but I have forgotten my iPhone at home a few times. Fortunately the watch has helped me out there on a couple of those occasions. I walk or bike to work and if I look at my watch before I get too far from home I will notice the little disconnect symbol. Then I can decide to turn around and get it if I want to.

Sean
 
Completely illogical stream of thought. You wouldn't discover it was useless until AFTER you bought and used it. Everything before that is theoretical.

It's possible to know if something is a waste before buying it.

I know buying the Edition gold Apple Watch is a waste of money to me when much, much, much cheaper options are available for the exact same product.

I know buying a Microsoft Surface Book is a waste of money to me when I already own a MacBook Pro and iPad Pro, and prefer OS X/iOS over Windows 10.

I know buying three airplane tickets on the same flight is a waste of money when I only need one seat.
 
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Like lots of others have pointed out (better than me), watches these days are not all that necessary. They used to be essential, but then with the phones they became pretty much obsolete, (as an essential, that is).

So they are not essential. Big deal. Doesn't mean they are a waste of money. Most of my junk I own I don't need.
 
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