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No, at the moment the only thing you can do with bluetooth is pair it with an earpiece or a navigation system to make and receive calls.
It cant do any kind of file transfer at all.


considering the blue tooth braught up in the main post.
is it possible to send songs from your ipod in the iphone from your iphone via bluetooth? (note i don't have an iphone as of yet) and photos ect?
 
considering the blue tooth braught up in the main post.
is it possible to send songs from your ipod in the iphone from your iphone via bluetooth? (note i don't have an iphone as of yet) and photos ect?

Nope. But you really don't even need it. A USB 2.0 connection is about 480Mbps. Bluetooth is 2 or 3Mbps. In other words, it would take FOREVER to sync using bluetooth.

If you need to send photos to someone, just e-mail them. It's doubtful that you'd be able to do any song sharing because of the recording companies. They're almost as paranoid about piracy as the movie companies.
 
Nope. But you really don't even need it. A USB 2.0 connection is about 480Mbps. Bluetooth is 2 or 3Mbps. In other words, it would take FOREVER to sync using bluetooth.

True. Most folk use it for sending each other ringtones or individual songs/small videos and the like. It's pretty useful.
 
Above standard

I think the Iphone is way above standard. All my other phones have been proved to be physical very weak. They squeek and make crappy plastic noises when calling because of the weak and poor made plastic case. After a year of daily use they are worn out totaly.

The iphone on the other hand uses a stainless steel frame to support the electornis, it doesnt bend under torque, it has a hefty and sturdy made aluminium back and the least amount of plastics I've ever seen on a phone ever. Since I updated to 1.1.4 it hasn't closed internet while listning to the ipod, it calls as good or better as any other phone I've used.
It handles dropping well, it keeps being a vunerable piece of electronics, but as such it does it better than many phones I had.

The software has been aproved greatly, no denying there, but I never had another phone that was updated that easily, frequently and therefore improved as much as this one.
It doed miss some functions, for me being a todo tool that widgets on my dashboard, and 3G but all in all it has been my most succesfull phone ever that is only going to be updated because of the extra functions and not because it starts to fail like all my previous phones. And my wife is asking weekly when I'm going to get the new one cause she can't wait for my phone!
 
ok, i do love my iphone, but i've never had another phone thats has so many faults. I'm currently on my third. My friend Brian is on his fourth. Another friend who i persuaded to get an iPhone on the basis of how amazing it is had to get a replacement after his THIRD week. It really isn't good enough. This is supposed to be a premium device. If there's a few random hiccups, that fair enough, but this amount of eff ups is a bit ridiculous, non?
i had one worse...... it was a HTC.... it paid for my iphone.....

i'm in highschool, so no one sends anything through email, more through myspace and facebook and phones (n)
but with the songs, like to send to friends phones as ringtones and such?
um. no. simply because thats illegal too? sending songs to friends as ringtones.... most phones just treat it as 'another file' so theres no protection against that.... but it is still illegal. and you can bet that apple would be looking into stopping that, which is probably why they havent added more bluetooth in at the moment..... that among other things...
 
um. no. simply because thats illegal too? sending songs to friends as ringtones.... most phones just treat it as 'another file' so theres no protection against that.... but it is still illegal. and you can bet that apple would be looking into stopping that, which is probably why they havent added more bluetooth in at the moment..... that among other things...

I agree. Besides being illegal, why would Apple sacrifice it's iTunes profits and give people an easy way to pirate music? Not that I wouldn't love the ability to bluetooth everything on my iPhone, of course. Hopefully they will come up with a way to identify music vs. other types of files (like pictures, contacts, data files, etc.) to share. Apple is a high profile company in the music/video world and is going to have to maintain the trust of their content providers or they won't have as much to provide. There are other ways to do the illegal stuff. Not as convenient, but I'm sure those who want to do it figure it out.

Back to the original post. I love my phone! It's sturdy and incredibly reliable for a first generation electronic product that does everything that it does. That being said, I'm looking forward to each and every advancement in hardware and software!
 
When the iPhone was announced, I got really excited. like, pathetic, scarily obsessed fanboy excited. so much so that I couldn't wait for it to be released in the UK and I bought one from america, unlocked it, and enjoyed the novelty and jealous glances. when that iPhone died (from an unlocking illness) I bought a legitimate one, and I loved it. I still do kinda love it, my third one.
I do wonder why you are on your third one and I haven't even purchased one yet. Mainly because it si to expensive for what is being delivered.
Althought I am kinda sickened at how many faults its had. and from reading forums, and reports from friends, practically every iPhone I hear about has had some sort of fault, serious enough for it to be returned and replaced.
Well people won't be posting about not having faults now will they? The fact is that a lot of people purchased iPhones in a very short period of time thus what seems like a large number of complaints. The reality is that forums tell you nothing about what the real field failure rates are.

The exception there being a real problem that ends up affecting a large number of people. There have been some problems like that with the iPhone but if you are worried about any one of them then you need to focus your thread on specifics. Then you need to realize that many Apple users are a little short on technical smarts and a lot of what you will hear about a specific issue is total B.S.

So in summation, yes there have been issues but I don't see any of the as being product fatal.
So my question: Is the iPhone a substandard product?
No not at all. Apple seems to be supporting the product better than any cell phone manufacture in existence. The question is always how do you measure or define "STANDARD". Considering there is very little in the market place that can reasonably be compared to an iPhone then what is the standard you judge it by?
I feel it has been 'rushed' into production, to the detriment of build quality.
I agree that it has been rushed into production, there is no doubt about that at all. But that is really a software issue and has nothing to do with the build quality. Mechanically and electrically the iPhone is very well done.
If apple was hoping to win over non-mac fans to the apple cause, I feel the iPhone may have done more harm than good.
In countries where people value the results over any technical check list iPhone has been a huge win. Here in the states we wonder why sales of iphone have been so lackluster in Great Britain. Frankly many of us simply believe you have gotten the value equation wrong over there.

The question is which do you value more a cell phone with an excellent software stack or one with the latests and greatest hardware but no reasonable software? Mind you I'm saying right now that he iPhone simply has the best software stack going even if it wasn't released in a finished state. Further Apple has stood behind that software stack with a huge number of updates compared to the average cell phone that gets none.

Apple has literally changed the view of the market as to what is acceptable with respect to software on a cell phone.
(in addition, ALL of my non-iPhone loving friends have cited no MMS, bad camera and lack of bluetooth connectivity as main reasons not to get an iPhone)
Again you can always find a yardstick that will indicates something coming up short. MMS is one of those yardsticks that people like to use. Of course at the same time they totally ignore that iPhone has a web browser and mail program light years ahead of almost all cell phones.

As to the camera it is a cell camera and as such is wanting. Apple certainly could do better both from the software and hardware standpoints. The reality is though that most people don't have big expectations when it comes to a cell phone camera. There is a lot of research and technology going into making better cell phone cameras and maybe that opinion will change in the future. Right now though I see many other things needing improvements.

Which brings us to the Bluetooth stack. This is one of the bigger unfinished aspects of the iPhones OS. Frankly it is frustrating as one doesn't know where Apple is going with Bluetooth support. It is one issue that has kept me off the iPhone along with the economy and a few other technical glitches. As a developer I'm also worried about what I can deliver via Bluetooth. I also have to acknowledge that many people don't give two hots about Bluetooth. In any event Bluetooth is one of those items that indicates to me that iiPhone is still an unfinished product.

Now given all of the above am I negative on iPhone? Not at all, iPhones biggest problem is its expense not its software or hardware. The software could be better and that will be greatly improved with version 2, but it is still a bleeding edge product with respect to the industry as a whole.

So when getting a load of B.S. from your friends across the pond just ask them about the yardstick they use to measure their hardware. Then tell them everyone can have 18" if they use the right yardstick. What ever you have you need to have the performance to back it up and that is what the iPhone has.

Dave
 
Nope. .....it would take FOREVER to sync using bluetooth.
That depends on what you are sync'ing doesn't it?
If you need to send photos to someone, just e-mail them/QUOTE]

People do seem to forget about the reality of a full scale E-Mail client on the iPhone!

In any event all of this still does not excuse the lack of attention to Bluetooth by Apple. It is the profiles lick serial port connection that makes the iPhone an interesting possibility for a developer. What Apple needs to deliver is the same sort of connectivity that a laptop would have with Bluetooth. This simply would blow wide open what could be done on the iPhone.

Dave
 
..I said that a LOT of my friends that are very anti-iPhone had raised those points as reasons to not get an iPhone.
So why bother us with what your friends think? Further develop some back bone and defend what IS RIGHT FOR YOU!

Look at it this way what if the perfect gal comes along and your friends convince you that she isn't good enough for you even though deep down you long for her? Do you want to drop what could be a very beneficial relationship because your jackass friends gave you a hard time? Lots of questions, but it still comes down does it do what you want and makes you happy.
the same argument I come up against is "well the N95 is FREE and has X, X, X, X, X, that the iphone doesn't have"

Free as in Cell Phone - there is no such thing.

In any event it still comes down to what do you care what our friends to with their Nxx's? Does your iPhone do what you need it to do? Does it have the bet Mail and Web experience you can afford? Concentrate on the positives, let your friend harp all they want about useless features on questionable hardware.

Still I'm of the opinion that you really need to firm up the back bone and learn to do what is right for you. Realize too that for many people a $10 phone on a pay as you go plan is all they need and would wonder why anybody would even argue about smart phones. I know guys that run their entire business on the cheapest phone they can find. It is all about priorities and what is right for you.

Dave
 
So my question: Is the iPhone a substandard product?

It's a sub-standard phone hardware wise. And there are some areas in the software where it doesn't come close to the competition, like the keyboard. There will be those that say it's great and never had a problem, they are usually the non picky ones.

Then there are those that will find three or four things wrong with it and get over those faults and use the phone since it's a wonderful device.

There are some that actually can't get passed the software/hardware limitations and slight quirks the phone has and will opt for a phone that better suits them and their needs.

Then there are those that will ignore reason and love the phone just because it has the Apple logo on it. You will find that 80% of the people in the forums are that way, and that you can take what they say as the fanatical extreme.

The iPhone is a nice first run, and people caught on to it because it's an Apple product that offered the software for touch (not the touch screen, just the software to base the entire phone on touch) but when it comes to phones in it's league it was average as best and failed in many areas....

And remember OP, just because some demographic is buying up tons of a product doesn't make it good... sales mean nothing when everyone is buying polished turds.
 
I agree. Besides being illegal, why would Apple sacrifice it's iTunes profits and give people an easy way to pirate music? Not that I wouldn't love the ability to bluetooth everything on my iPhone, of course. Hopefully they will come up with a way to identify music vs. other types of files (like pictures, contacts, data files, etc.) to share. Apple is a high profile company in the music/video world and is going to have to maintain the trust of their content providers or they won't have as much to provide. There are other ways to do the illegal stuff. Not as convenient, but I'm sure those who want to do it figure it out.

Nonsense. Every other virtually every other smartphone allows you to do this because it's up to the user what they do with the feature. Arguing that the iPhone doesn't allow Bluetooth file transfer because Apple are looking to maintain industry trust is just plain silly.
 
The iPhone is a nice first run, and people caught on to it because it's an Apple product that offered the software for touch (not the touch screen, just the software to base the entire phone on touch)
While I agree that it is a nice (very) first effort I believe there is more to it than the touch interface. It is really the idea of delivering full scale apps to the user that has simply not been attempted in the past. Touch provides a vehicle to do that, but it is idea of bringing quality fully capable software to the platform that has caught peoples attention.
but when it comes to phones in it's league it was average as best and failed in many areas....
This is simple a matter of perspective and expectations. The yardstick can be easily turned to show that nothing on the market comes close to doing what the iPhone does. If those things are important to you then it is bleeding edge.
And remember OP, just because some demographic is buying up tons of a product doesn't make it good...
I'd be the first to admit that a lot of good products have failed in the market place due to poor marketing or other issues. On the other hand if you have tons of people buying your product then you have to be doing something right. IPhone simply got the things right that most people care about. Or at least enough people care about to make a dent in Apples bottom line.
sales mean nothing when everyone is buying polished turds.

In business sales mean everything! If you don't have sales you don't have a business. It doesn't mater if you cut lawns for a business or build super computers, to keep the hunger pains away you must have sales.

Dave
 
It's a sub-standard phone hardware wise. And there are some areas in the software where it doesn't come close to the competition, like the keyboard. There will be those that say it's great and never had a problem, they are usually the non picky ones.

I am extremely picky and I have NEVER had a problem with my iPhone since the day it came out. Sub-standard hardware wise? Did you see all the videos of people trying to scratch it and smash it when it first came out? The Razr I used to own fell apart within months. I went through 3 of them in one year. Software wise... like the keyboard? Who does a better keyboard in software? Just curious as I really would like to know...
 
I own and use three iPhones. All three are perfect. I'm just not excited about them much anymore because I've been into all my computer stuff more. I hardly even listen to the music on my 16GB iPhone all that much anymore and I was so excited about it when I bought it the day it went on sale.

I am willing to say that there is only a small percentage of people who have had problems just as with any other piece of electronics.
 
Its not silly genious.
If apple allows their product to swap music, videos, movies back and forth with other devices/phones/laptops then thats like piracy/sharing purchased content.
Then they'd get ****ed on by the record companys and I dont think Steven wants to do that since iTunes is the number one internet media provider. :)


Nonsense. Every other virtually every other smartphone allows you to do this because it's up to the user what they do with the feature. Arguing that the iPhone doesn't allow Bluetooth file transfer because Apple are looking to maintain industry trust is just plain silly.
 
So my question: Is the iPhone a substandard product?

Had mine for about 6 months now. Not a single problem and it still looks as good as new thanks to a Incase belt pouch and a degree of reasonable caution (such as "don't use the iPhone in the toilet" - surprising the number of people who have posted that they have killed their iPhone by dropping it in the can).

Only problem I've ever seen with an iPhone is a colleague who hacked it and had some hack-job third party app nuke it - forcing a complete reset. Can't blame Apple for self-inflicted wounds.

File transfers - As it is possible to buy music via wifi, it "should" be possible to synch wirelessly. Apple have chosen not to add such a feature at this time. While I don't personally see that as a major limitation, being able to copy other files (not for use by the iPod software) on and off the iPhone via bluetooth and wifi, and to save attachments or attach files to mail is the kind of functionality that "should" be there - but isn't.

However, in spite of this limitation, the iPhone is still an incredible device that can only get better as Apple (and third party software developers) expand its functionality.
 
/snip/ Then there are those that will find three or four things wrong with it and get over those faults and use the phone since it's a wonderful device.. /snip/

Yep, that's me. My list of complaints may not be stuck at "three or four" either, but Apple managed to hit most of the right notes for my purposes at a price point I could comprehend and accept.

Having a great selection of "all my stuff" with me plus camera, phone and net access in that small box with so few hardware keys is still so amazing to me. I am as awestruck today as I was last June 29th when I unboxed the thing and began to understand what Apple had created for us.

So while I have my small collection of complaints and a wishlist, no one could ever mistake me for an unbiased critic of the iPhone. I am an unabashed admirer of the people who designed, engineered, manufactured and rolled out the hardware and software for Rev A of this device. It has represented a huge advance in making telecommunications and personal computing more portable and especially more flexible. Perfect, of course not. Fantastic, yes indeed.
 
Its not silly genious.
If apple allows their product to swap music, videos, movies back and forth with other devices/phones/laptops then thats like piracy/sharing purchased content.
Then they'd get ****ted on by the record companys and I dont think Steven wants to do that since iTunes is the number one internet media provider. :)

I question if thats the reason.

I just seem there isn't access to the file system(for end users), so it doesn't work into the "simple" design of the iPhone.

Hopefully Apple adds it one day soon
 
I just wish Apple wouldn't be so darn dodgy about their future support of stereo BT on the iPhone. It blows my mind on a device that is supposed to be "all that", that it is missing something so basic, so important that even the new 'throwaway' phones that the providers give away for free support, but Apple doesn't.

And they won't come out flatly and say either way if they are going to (or not going to) support it in the future.

Throw me a bone Apple! Just tell me either way, d@mnit!
 
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