As for tone, what do I sound like over there. Honestly I think it's the way people are reading it. Maybe some members just want someone to sound nasty to them, I wasn't the first person to throw out the word "idiot" now was I?
Nor was I, but I sure got blasted for it by you and one whole post deleted by the mods from this thread (not really fair since, again, didn't say anything that harsh) which, apparently, you responded to below...
Sorry, so very sorry, I just click the quote button. I really didn't see that as a joke. But now I see. I wasn't calling the iPhone a polished turd, and the 80% referred to the Mac Rumors community and ALL Apple products. The turd comment went with Apple's marketing. If Apple makes it sound like gold then people will take it as gold if they fall into the marketing trap. Much like any product. Keyboards on phone were clunky, but NO ONE swore against them until the iPhone came out, and that okay... but the iPhone keyboard isn't end all be all.
I may sound like an HTC Touch fanboy, but the only thing I consider to be superior is the keyboard, check out my posts. Much of the rest of the phone is mediocre or sucks when not including the network. The most you will find me talking about is the keyboard and the EVDO and the software.
Fair enough. And I do agree with you on those points.
If you think I am condescending then you really have to look up the definition of the word.... as I stated before, I didn't throw the first stone.
condescending |ˌkändəˈsendi ng |
adjective
acting in a way that betrays a feeling of patronizing superiority
Well, I know exactly what that word means and you
did come off that way... but forums are sometimes easy to misinterpret by us all. And as I have stated before, nor did
I cast the first stone, but your tone, however, seemed to by many others. But thanks for clarifying.
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As for the original topic of this thread, I do agree that sometimes there is an RDF affect when it comes to Apple products (
especially with Apple more so than other companies) and that some people will claim Apple can do no wrong, but at the same time there is a justified reason for this fanboyism (heh, now that I deny that I am a fanboy, here I go defending them!); because the thing that Apple has always done [under Steve Jobs past and present] is a combination of several things:
1. Move forward with innovation. And I don't mean they invented everything. What I mean is they recognize a technology that is sitting in a research lab and are able to acquire it and produce it into a mass market product. Yes, fanboys say "See, Apple invented multitouch and the GUI and the Mouse and..." but no, I've always said as many others have, that Apple is great at taking what someone else has been developing and then are able to get it out to market in a refined and polished way. And they usually do this by buying up the people and/or companies involved with the research in the first place... they absorb them into Apple much like the Borg! (and before people start assuming things again, no I am NOT a Trekkie or Trekker, just thought that was an appropriate comparison.)
2. Design. For far too long most companies never placed any sort of emphasis on design, only engineering. But Apple and more importantly, Steve Jobs, have always known how important design is along side of engineering. When you put them on equal levels, hand and hand, you get products that are functional, elegant in their simplicity as well as a thing of beauty; the iPhone being a perfect example of this. Heck, this past CES show, even TV manufacturing companies were saying they finally get what design is all about thanks to the iPhone, so now they are trying to make their Flat Screens look iPhoneish with chrome bevels and rounded edges. But that's NOT just what design is about.
3. The closed Ecosystem. Though it has been vilified by many for many years, as Steve Jobs says (and he always credits Alan Kay of Xerox PARC for this, you know, the inventor of the GUI and the mouse...) that if you are going to make great software you need to make your own hardware. And this is paramountly true with Apple products and is one of the reason Windows gets bashed so much. Think about it, the few Microsoft products that, despite their own shortcomings, get people really excited are the ones where Microsoft do both the hardware and software; the Xbox 360, the Zune and the [still not yet officially released] Surface.
It is these combination of things that help Apple not to make a substandard product for the most part. Even the products that have failed such as the Cube were not substandard. So in answer to the original post, is the iPhone a substandard product... far, far from it.
