Is The Lack Of Ram Annoying Now?

[vgamedude]

Right, now you're merging my answer to two separate problems. I am not the one who doesn't understand the cause.

You said Safari crashed when you hit the button. That is not a "low ram" issue. That is a programming issue, most likely a segmentation fault with the javascript engine - due to poor boundary checking my the developers. You could put 64GB of ram in the thing, that won't stop the issue.

For ****s and giggles, I just tested the memory usage of a UIWebView object loading a basic website (google.com) and the verge (ridiculously over complex). The UIWebView object for google.com used ~4MB of RAM. The one for the Verge used ~14Mb of RAM. Given that tabs are basically wrappers around UIWV with some meta data, you can see the small amounts we are talking here.

Looking at the 5S I'm currently executing on, there's ~650MB available for use right now. That would mean that, if low memory was *really* the problem, I could in theory have >40 verge tabs open before it reloaded, which we know is not the case.

Again, You seem set that "WE NEED MORE MEMORY" is the answer. If you dig into it technically, it's really not.

Crashing due to low memory is in the logs genius. You can read it. Crashing because of not enough memory happens on alot of platforms if you literally don't have enough RAM to load something.

I don't believe you for a second, read this article and go down to where they address 64 bit applications and the memory use on the Air, the iPhone 6 cannot be much different.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9

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Well whatever causes this problem Apple have had YEARS to sort it, lol.

It's the RAM, they keep acting like it isn't to justify apples penny pinching in regards to memory. I don't know why they're so quick to go apologist mode whenever this topic is brought up.

Coding isn't magic it can't replace more RAM.

 

[Brian Y]

Crashing due to low memory is in the logs genius. You can read it. Crashing because of not enough memory happens on alot of platforms if you literally don't have enough RAM to load something.

I don't believe you for a second, read this article and go down to where they address 64 bit applications and the memory use on the Air, the iPhone 6 cannot be much different.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9

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It's the RAM, they keep acting like it isn't to justify apples penny pinching in regards to memory. I don't know why they're so quick to go apologist mode whenever this topic is brought up.

Coding isn't magic it can't replace more RAM.

If you're going to start calling me an apologist, then I'll let you have your moment and stop trying to convince you otherwise. That review did nothing technical. They just did a load of stuff and waited for low memory logs. Big deal.

You seem to be in the "I don't care about anyone's opinion except mine" camp so I can't be arsed arguing with you. Enjoy your own little bubble.

 

[vgamedude]

If you're going to start calling me an apologist. That review did nothing technical. They just did a load of stuff and waited for low memory logs.

You seem to be in the "I don't care about anyone's opinion except mine" camp so I can't be arsed arguing with you.

You seriously just ignored an objective review that proved you wrong. Good going.

 

[Brian Y]

You seriously just ignored an objective review that proved you wrong. Good going.

So that review tested the exact memory usage of the UI controller which handles displaying web data? No.

Oh no, they just do random stuff with the device, and look for a low memory log (which is what is logged when iOS memory management is triggered). Your review proves nothing.

I'm leaving this thread now, you have to be trolling. Actually, confirm that. I just checked your post history. I'm out.

 

[vgamedude]

So that review tested the exact memory usage of the UI controller which handles displaying web data? No.

Oh no, they just do random stuff with the device, and look for a low memory log (which is what is logged when iOS memory management is triggered). Your review proves nothing.

I'm leaving this thread now, you have to be trolling.

Yes run away because you are wrong. Opening tabs even a few as said in the review WILL cause them to be purged and have to reload. Arstechnica is very favorable to apple and even said that, because it's simply an objective fact.

It's even worse if you use it like an actual device and not baby it. I.E. have a couple apps and webpages in the background.

 

[Brian Y]

Yes run away because you are wrong.

Thank you for confirming that you are just trolling. Reported, over and out.

 

[poppy10]

I don't have a problem with my 5c. I think its more that people who use the device extensively, i.e., lots of tabs open see the ram issue more then others. I'll go out on a limb and postulate that most consumers who buy the phone really don't notice.

It's a big problem on the iPad Air, which basically can't load more than two tabs at a time. Many postulate this is because of the move to 64 bit which generally involves higher RAM usage

 

[Edd.Dantes]

Thank you for confirming that you are just trolling. Reported, over and out.

Report his posts all you like. You are in the wrong. He is backing his argument up, you're just name calling.

 

[Djentleman]

Yes run away because you are wrong. Opening tabs even a few as said in the review WILL cause them to be purged and have to reload. Arstechnica is very favorable to apple and even said that, because it's simply an objective fact.

It's even worse if you use it like an actual device and not baby it. I.E. have a couple apps and webpages in the background.

Not being funny, I was composing a post earlier, but got messaged on whatsapp during. Switched windows, exchanged a few messages, then this management game to quickly sell a few things because I'm trying to be as efficient with my time on there and then came back to finish composing my post. All while having 18 other tabs opened to various sites like buzz feed and whatnot. Not a problem. No loss. No hassle.

I have no clue what you're doing with your phone that's making it refresh things every time, but I seem to be doing the mentioned takes without issue.

 

[Zerilos]

It's a big problem on the iPad Air, which basically can't load more than two tabs at a time. Many postulate this is because of the move to 64 bit which generally involves higher RAM usage

It is a problem with Safari on the iPad Air, but I wouldn't call it a big problem. Websites tend to refresh very quickly on my Air (on a 5 mbs wifi connection) so to me it's a slight inconvenience. This has not been an issue on the phone version of Safari, at least not to my experience or based on anything I've read.

The Air had some serious issues when it was first released, almost all of which have been corrected with iOS 7 improvements and adjustment on the part of third part developers. Software can in fact be optimized to require fewer resources, and this has definitely been seen since the Air has come out. Currently my Air is very stable. In fact it's more stable than my Note 3 (which has 3gbs of RAM). I do think Apple should increase the RAM on the next Air to 1.5 or 2gbs.

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It's the RAM, they keep acting like it isn't to justify apples penny pinching in regards to memory. I don't know why they're so quick to go apologist mode whenever this topic is brought up.

Coding isn't magic it can't replace more RAM.

Actually poorly coded software can require more resources than efficiently coded software. It's just a fact.

 

[horsebattery]

Not being funny, I was composing a post earlier, but got messaged on whatsapp during. Switched windows, exchanged a few messages, then this management game to quickly sell a few things because I'm trying to be as efficient with my time on there and then came back to finish composing my post. All while having 18 other tabs opened to various sites like buzz feed and whatnot. Not a problem. No loss. No hassle.

I have no clue what you're doing with your phone that's making it refresh things every time, but I seem to be doing the mentioned takes without issue.

It's not a behavior that occurs every time, but it's up to the discretion of iOS whether your instance of Safari happened to have been killed or not. I've made several attempts to monitor memory usage on my 5S while using Unread (RSS reader) since it is heavy on memory usage. I've noticed that memory pressure tended to be rather high when I exit out of Unread, only to come back to see it having to reload. Conversely, it resumes without a problem when memory pressure is low. This is good in that it is a crude expectation of memory management behavior.

 

[TheBuffather]

All I can say is that I have never felt like the iPhone was underpowered. Attribute it to what you will, but the experience has been great. I care more about the experience than the specs.

 

[vgamedude]

It is a problem with Safari on the iPad Air, but I wouldn't call it a big problem. Websites tend to refresh very quickly on my Air (on a 5 mbs wifi connection) so to me it's a slight inconvenience. This has not been an issue on the phone version of Safari, at least not to my experience or based on anything I've read.

The Air had some serious issues when it was first released, almost all of which have been corrected with iOS 7 improvements and adjustment on the part of third part developers. Software can in fact be optimized to require fewer resources, and this has definitely been seen since the Air has come out. Currently my Air is very stable. In fact it's more stable than my Note 3 (which has 3gbs of RAM). I do think Apple should increase the RAM on the next Air to 1.5 or 2gbs.

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Actually poorly coded software can require more resources than efficiently coded software. It's just a fact.

I'm well aware of that but it can only help to an extent, like I said it isn't magic. You can only compress something so much for instance.

 

[horsebattery]

It is a problem with Safari on the iPad Air, but I wouldn't call it a big problem. Websites tend to refresh very quickly on my Air (on a 5 mbs wifi connection) so to me it's a slight inconvenience. This has not been an issue on the phone version of Safari, at least not to my experience or based on anything I've read.

Despite quick reloads, for people with limited data plans it can be a potential issue depending on how much of a page is cache-able. Unnecessary data utilization is among one of the problems that excess reloading can cause (and not limited to Safari, but any apps, especially ones that rely on data) - point being that data usage is only one of the components that is necessary/triggered when this behavior occurs.

And true, software optimization can help - but you are then simply shifting the onus of relieving the problem elsewhere, assuming that's where the fault lies.

 

[zorinlynx]

I think part of the reason some people don't complain about it is because there's absolutely nothing we can do.

Apple will do what Apple does and we can't change it. We're just along for the ride, and both times I've looked over at the Android side I saw a less stable platform with MANY more issues than our scant few.

Do I wish the iPhone 6 series had more RAM? Yes. Can I do anything about it? No. Do I want to use Android, a less stable platform with four times as many bugs? No as well.

 

[horsebattery]

I think part of the reason some people don't complain about it is because there's absolutely nothing we can do.

Apple will do what Apple does and we can't change it. We're just along for the ride, and both times I've looked over at the Android side I saw a less stable platform with MANY more issues than our scant few.

Do I wish the iPhone 6 series had more RAM? Yes. Can I do anything about it? No. Do I want to use Android, a less stable platform with four times as many bugs? No as well.

It's also likely because memory isn't something that users would typically attribute to be the problem. Many posts on MacRumors for example, claimed that they never knew this was a problem before others brought it up. In other occasions, I believe that users will also place fault at the developers for releasing buggy software, regardless of the legitimacy of the claim.

 

[ZBoater]

Do you know this problem exists, tab reloading issue and there is a simple fix which is adding more ram?

There's an even easier fix.

Atomic Browser FTW!

Boom!

 

[vgamedude]

There's an even easier fix.

Atomic Browser FTW!

Boom!

I have tried using different browsers and never really noticed much of a difference.

 

[aleni]

1gb is not a big issue on the 5s, because the display resolution is small. on my retina ipad mini, boy it sucks. open 3 tabs in safari, switch to mail, back to safari, switch tab, boom refresh. sucks.

i think it's non issue for iphone 6 too, but im afraid there would be safari refresh issue on the plus since it has much higher resolution.

i can see the forum is full of complain about safari refresh in the iphone 6+ within a few days after release.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

1gb is not a big issue on the 5s, because the display resolution is small. on my retina ipad mini, boy it sucks. open 3 tabs in safari, switch to mail, back to safari, switch tab, boom refresh. sucks.



i think it's non issue for iphone 6 too, but im afraid there would be safari refresh issue on the plus since it has much higher resolution.



i can see the forum is full of complain about safari refresh in the iphone 6+ within a few days after release.

So are you saying safari needs more memory when the OS runs at a higher resolution? Yet the page download remains be same regardless of whether you are running a text only browser or a all singing and dancing graphical web browser? Are you saying it is the App that is managing the GUI in OSX? Or are you saying the graphics memory from the OS comes out of the general memory available to the phone?

Lol what are you saying?

 

[aleni]

So are you saying safari needs more memory when the OS runs at a higher resolution? Yet the page download remains be same regardless of whether you are running a text only browser or a all singing and dancing graphical web browser? Are you saying it is the App that is managing the GUI in OSX? Or are you saying the graphics memory from the OS comes out of the general memory available to the phone?

Lol what are you saying?

The OS with much higher resolution needs more ram hence less memory for safari to run nicely.

 

[accountforit]

Its not safari needs more memory. But the OS with much higher resolution needs more ram for all the pixels pushed on the screen, hence less memory for safari to run nicely.

Sounds like you should buy a different phone. Enjoy.

 

[aleni]

Sounds like you should buy a different phone. Enjoy.

I bought the iphone 6, because i dont have problem with safari refreshes on my old 5s. But not the plus. And next time i wont buy an ipad if it still has 1 gb of memory. Because ram issue is what i got when using safari on my retina ipad mini.

Update: i have a galaxy note 3 with 3gb of ram and the iphone 5s was still smoother than the note 3 though.

 

[poppy10]

There's an even easier fix.

Atomic Browser FTW!

You do realise that's basically just a skin for Safari, right? Apple don't allow full alternative browsers on iOS. Even Chrome is just a wrapper around the default webkit ui

 

[ZBoater]

You do realise that's basically just a skin for Safari, right? Apple don't allow full alternative browsers on iOS. Even Chrome is just a wrapper around the default webkit ui

Ummmm, does it reload tabs like safari? Because Atomic Browser seems to have figured something out Apple hasn't...