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Is The Lack Of Ram Annoying Now?
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Well put. The argument is long passed its sell-by-date. It's too tedious for me to even look for in reviews now. Speaking of reviews, funny how both phones ran silky smooth without a single hitch given the dreaded 1GB RAM
"Apple does stuff wrong... Blah blah blah... I should be able to do xyz... Blah blah blah..."
(Complaint rant here)
"Will I still buy it?
Oh hells ya! Wouldn't be caught dead with anything else! Loves my Apple!"
LOL
#Pathetic #Growaset #Buysomethingelse
(Complaint rant here)
"Will I still buy it?
Oh hells ya! Wouldn't be caught dead with anything else! Loves my Apple!"
LOL
#Pathetic #Growaset #Buysomethingelse
I didn't see any reviewer do extensive browser testing? The lack of RAM doesn't cause a speed/lag issue.
#facepalm
I am not interested in the 6 at the moment....has nothing tondonwith the amount if ram or if I "might" ever experience safari reloads.
#facepalm #2gb
#facepalm #2gb
That's exactly what the majority of these guys on here are moaning about, so I'm relating it to their argument. You'd think them having a good couple days to review the phones that they would open a few apps and do some browsing. And seeing as they've not brought up the issue, I doubt it's a concern.
*palmsyourface*
If there are 2 or 3 tabs open, it does it. I don't know the technical reason, but I know it's annoying.
I've an iPad 4th gen... and had Safari tab reload on me with just two tabs open (one was these forums, another was a google search). Surely it's got to be more than RAM related. I'd not long since properly rebooted the device and had just a couple of apps running.
Tab reloading started happening (for me) around one of the IOS7 updates (or maybe even IOS7) if I recall.
That's what Apple hopes, that people will just accept it. That's why they have ignored it.
Ok I understand you are ignorant, your post makes that obvious.
Ok so what dont you understand.
Do you know this problem exists, tab reloading issue and there is a simple fix which is adding more ram?
Do you know the problem exists, but is pretending it doesnt because you see to have a lack of understanding?
Or do you simply do not know the problem exists?
Clearly you fall into one of these options, if not then it shows in fact you are the stupid one, not me.
How does that make me ignorant? I have never encountered the issue or been plagued by it. This is really the first time I'm even hearing about it. So far my user experience with Apple products have been superb. I've also realised that its not the majority facing this problem, which probably says something. And sure, it's a simple addition to be made, but what am I going to do about it? Boycott the company or continue using their products but complain about it as if it were something huge like a faulty display or the OS crashing?
I'm all for upgrades. Who wouldn't be. But its been done. You cannot change that. Apple will get there when they deem it as absolutely important. It's a shame you guys who are facing problems with it and have to possibly continue to do so, but pissing and moaning constantly across multiple threads doesn't fix the issue any sooner. It reminds me of the IOS 7 icon dilemma, albeit, not the same thing (before you say anything).
What problem?
Show me, step by step, how to re-create it on my 5S please.
Even if you could come up with a song and dance that would, I'd bet no one would consider that hoopla "normal use".
So really, the RAM "problem" boils down to "power users" creating a "problem" by using the device in an unusual way.
I can get crappy battery life if I crank the brightness to max and run Bioshock while in call, but it doesn't mean there's a "battery problem" because I'm not getting advertised stats for life. It either means I bought the wrong piece of hardware for my needs, or I will never be happy regardless of the circumstances.
Either way, for 99.9% of users, it's not about "accepting it" it's about it being a NON-ISSUE.
Show me, step by step, how to re-create it on my 5S please.
Even if you could come up with a song and dance that would, I'd bet no one would consider that hoopla "normal use".
So really, the RAM "problem" boils down to "power users" creating a "problem" by using the device in an unusual way.
I can get crappy battery life if I crank the brightness to max and run Bioshock while in call, but it doesn't mean there's a "battery problem" because I'm not getting advertised stats for life. It either means I bought the wrong piece of hardware for my needs, or I will never be happy regardless of the circumstances.
Either way, for 99.9% of users, it's not about "accepting it" it's about it being a NON-ISSUE.
So if he doesn't agree with you, he must be ignorant? Please stop acting so childishly.
Let me try to get this crazy idea into your head. Adding more RAM won't miraculously make safari stop reloading tabs. I do not know why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
It's by design. If apple wanted to, they could cache tabs to flash. The problem is that iOS sees keeping tabs in RAM as wasteful. So... you open a few safari tabs, close safari, go to mail, play a quick game - of course iOS is going to free that RAM up for something else.
Saying that more RAM will fix a problem that most people don't think is a problem is akin to saying "my car sometimes stalls when it's running, why don't Ford put twice as much oil in!".
Don't like it? Use chrome. Or vote with your wallet, buy an android phone with an 8 core processor and 12GB of RAM and wonder why it performs worse. Or get a job on the iPhone engineering team, since you obviously know more than they do.
Also - was your first thread not getting enough attention? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1772826/
"power users"
ahahahaha. I frequently use 4chan okay, so on my 4s I'll have 4chan open maybe with 4 or so tabs with threads in them. Cycling through the threads will cause the page to reload and I'll lose my spot in the thread, meaning I have to scroll all the way down to the bottom and anything that I was typing is now lost.
So say I'm filling out a forum on 4chan or any site really and I want to pull up a page to look up a definition or something I've forgotten I needed to mention, anything really, then I go back to that page, BOOM it reloads.
This happens a lot, especially if you load heavy webpages like apple.com or the like.
Nothing that I do is being a "power user" that's stupid.
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Adding more RAM would make the problem occur far less frequently and it would then be acceptable for those complaining about the current state. Of course without a swap partition on the flash storage you'll never eliminate it entirely but that's not the point, don't strawman.
I just opened 8 tabs on my 5S, cycled through them, and none of them refreshed.
The problem is that this tab reloading happens when you're switching tabs from within Safari - not just when you switch to other apps, which makes it very annoying.
It must be something to do with the 64 bit architecture, as my iPad Air does it all the time, as does my friend's 5s, but not my 5. It's so bad that I have resorted to composing any text in Notes and then copying and pasting it in to Safari or I'll lose all my writing if I switch to just one other tab.
I'm not a 'spec whore' - far from it - but this is either just really crappy software writing from Apple or there's a hardware limitation. Considering it's been the same from iOS 7.0 to iOS 8.0, I think it's the latter.
Plus, more RAM would mean future iOS versions run better, as naturally they're going to require more memory. I can see a lot of cheesed off 6/6 Plus users in the future when iOS 9 and 10 rolls around.
Lol it's not "strawmanning". If Safari can keep 10 tabs open now. Double the RAM, and there will be a thread "Why is Safari reloading when I have 20 tabs open".
Like I said, it's not a lack of memory. It's iOS memory management. As I said, if you feel you know better than Apple's engineers why don't you apply for a job there?
These threads are getting tiresome now.
Good for you, I'm not sure why that is but I've had tab reloads with far less, on an iPad air, iphone 4s, iphone 5s, Ipod touch 1st gen, ipod touch 4th gen, ipod touch 3rd gen, and retina mini.
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You do realize there is an acceptable point here that doesn't go to infinity? That's like saying I have 64 gbs of storage and it's not enough but if I get 128 gbs but put more on it it won't be enough, that doesn't make any sense at all.
Nearly everyone who talks about this issue gets reloads with far less tabs open than you have stated you use, and it is a problem. My 4s gets tab reloads with 2 medium or light webpages open switching between them at times, it also frequently (and I mean frequently) has browser crashes.
For instance I couldn't even access the iphone preorders on the apple site because my browser would crash EVERY TIME I clicked the button. Yes, everytime.
Again, going round in circles, doubling the memory won't cause it to not crash. Poor coding will cause it to crash.
And my point was that no matter how much memory Apple puts in it, we will still see the same people complaining. iPhone 5 has double the memory of the 4S - how many more tabs can the 5 keep open? I imagine it's exactly the same as the 4S.
People who complain about this don't understand the cause of the "problem".
You don't understand the cause of the problem apparently. You can only compress memory so much, and when your storing all web pages in the RAM you will have a great many purges with so little RAM. I don't care how good your "coding" is. You people act like coding can bypass strict unmoving hardware limitations. It can't. The only way to fix this by "coding" is to take flash storage away from the general use and turn it into a swap partition, which would be slower to access than RAM but it would stop the reloads.
Right, now you're merging my answer to two separate problems. I am not the one who doesn't understand the cause.
You said Safari crashed when you hit the button. That is not a "low ram" issue. That is a programming issue, most likely a segmentation fault with the javascript engine - due to poor boundary checking my the developers. You could put 64GB of ram in the thing, that won't stop the issue.
For ****s and giggles, I just tested the memory usage of a UIWebView object loading a basic website (google.com) and the verge (ridiculously over complex). The UIWebView object for google.com used ~4MB of RAM. The one for the Verge used ~14Mb of RAM. Given that tabs are basically wrappers around UIWV with some meta data, you can see the small amounts we are talking here.
Looking at the 5S I'm currently executing on, there's ~650MB available for use right now. That would mean that, if low memory was *really* the problem, I could in theory have >40 verge tabs open before it reloaded, which we know is not the case.
Again, You seem set that "WE NEED MORE MEMORY" is the answer. If you dig into it technically, it's really not.