Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce

[01silver4]

Jeez, your Watch is already giving way? Or are you upgrading?

I agree that that is one thing that concerns me about the Apple Watch and making larger investments in it like getting the Edition or even Stainless is the longevity of the device. I feel rather confident they will last for several years, but I am far less confident than with virtually any other kind of Watch. Would be nice if Apple began offering things like a 5 year limited warranty (even for purchase) on the stainless and edition version of the watches.

Heck I have watched that are a decade old and work like new. Most well-built, traditional watches will last decades. The Apple watches won't come close.

Having said that, they also do far far more so there are definitely trade offs.

I am supposed to take in to apple store for them to ship it of, where i don't know but the genius bar told me they uaslly replace them and its $250 to replace mine if it comes to that. I am not too confident in upgrading for series 2 AW just because of whats going on with my Gen 1 AW. $600 watch display is already on its way out, my wife 38mm SS is still going strong though. I think if apple is going compare them self with likes of Rolex Citizen etc, they should give better warranty for these watches.

 

[Qbnkelt]

With security, Apple generally continues to release security updates for a few years. After that, I guess you could install Ubuntu or some other Linux distribution.

I’m glad someone agrees with me about simple nondestructive upgrades not voiding the warranty!

Then what's the issue?

Your original complaint was about not being able to change the RAM. Because of soldering. So you are tampering with the machine.

Simple test. Ask Apple.

 

[MrBukey]

With security, Apple generally continues to release security updates for a few years. After that, I guess you could install Ubuntu or some other Linux distribution.

Agreed. I was replying to someone telling people not to update software.... That is a bad move!
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Then what's the issue?

Your original complaint was about not being able to change the RAM. Because of soldering. So you are tampering with the machine.

Simple test. Ask Apple.

Apple are more than happy for customers to upgrade their computers that have RAM or other expansion sockets.....

 

[IFRIT]

I don't think it is their intention but i do think it is a happy side effect for them.

 

[Qbnkelt]

1. How different is it than, say changing a tire? Or replacing the batteries in a remote? It’s just maintenance.
2. It’s not that I simply expect it to last ten years. Rather, it’s that I know that Macs last ten years. Sure, you can’t get the latest version of OS X after about 5 or 6 years, but aside from that, it’s perfectly functional for another five years.

A tire is not encased or soldered onto the car. A remote has a door you open with the intent of changing the battery. It's not soldered.
You're talking about OS that is meant to be updated. Wholly different.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Why should it only be useful for five years due to RAM limitations when it could be useful for ten years if it just had more RAM?

This is all nonsense fantasy. It is based on ancient thinking.

There is no reason to cripple the design of a product to preserve some archaic user experience like upgrading RAM.

Buy a computer with enough RAM for your needs. I don't care what it costs, I don't care if you save $20 after taxes by doing it yourself. User upgradeable RAM is a totally unnecessary facet to a Mac, and it stood in the way of better designs.

 

[jblagden]

Then what's the issue?

Your original complaint was about not being able to change the RAM. Because of soldering. So you are tampering with the machine.

Simple test. Ask Apple.

A RAM upgrade only counts as a modification with the new MacBooks and Mac Minis because you have to desolder the RAM chips from the logic board and the new modules and then solder the new RAM chips to the logic board.

 

[jblagden]

A tire is not encased or soldered onto the car. A remote has a door you open with the intent of changing the battery. It's not soldered.
You're talking about OS that is meant to be updated. Wholly different.

Right. I'm just talking about Macs which have RAM slots. I wouldn't dare upgrade RAM which is soldered to the logic board.
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Then what's the issue?

Your original complaint was about not being able to change the RAM. Because of soldering. So you are tampering with the machine.

Simple test. Ask Apple.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/juzu9ihy5whj296/Screen Shot 2016-09-20 at 7.00.59 PM.jpg?dl=0

 

[Rayy42]

The only thing I noticed on my 6 Plus was that immediately after installing iOS 10 it was kinda slower than before.

A few days later everything was running up to par.

This is a tough thread because everyone uses their devices differently. If you're doing some intensive things on your phone then you may notice it more than the average Joe.

 

[Rayy42]

Most people with iPhone 5 and 6 series devices seem to be reporting that iOS 10 has improved performance if anything. Personally, I'm sometimes amazed by how much I still like my 6. It still feels like a new phone to me.

Little side question since I'm on the fence about upgrading. Are you open to upgrading? Are you holding out for next fall?

 

[joeblow7777]

Little side question since I'm on the fence about upgrading. Are you open to upgrading? Are you holding out for next fall?

A new device is always tempting... But honestly, my 6 continues to fulfill my needs well enough that it's hard to justify getting a 7 in my mind. If I do eventually give in to temptation it won't be because my current phone is lacking, but that's just me.

 

[jblagden]

Then what's the issue?

Your original complaint was about not being able to change the RAM. Because of soldering. So you are tampering with the machine.

Simple test. Ask Apple.

http://www.jbmachelp.x10host.com/mac/mac-index/hardware/apples-longevity-problem-by.html

 

[bent christian]

1. How different is it than, say changing a tire? Or replacing the batteries in a remote? It’s just maintenance.

That is a question for Apple to answer. Apple defines soldered RAM and Hard Drives on some models as not user-serviceable parts. Neither is a screen, the foam tape used to hold the screen in place on an iMac, etc. Opening or modifying these parts will void your warranty.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Apple removed the metal bracket and underfill to make the iPhone less durable than in the past.

You tell me:

Great video.

 

[neteng101]

Is any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce ?

No - but there are "bad buys" ie. products that had limited longevity from the moment they came out. First generation iterations of various major Apple product launches tend to be caught into this category.

The original iPad, the iPad 3 which added retina display but not enough upgrades inside to really cope with the display, and yes, the iPhone 6 Plus which has only 1GB of RAM. The 6 Plus was a bad buy from the day it launched... it was a gimped phone and everyone knew it. The 6 was ok because it didn't have to drive the higher resolution screen/etc of the Plus but the 6 Plus was born with a short life span.

 

[jblagden]

That is a question for Apple to answer. Apple defines soldered RAM and Hard Drives on some models as not user-serviceable parts. Neither is a screen, the foam tape used to hold the screen in place on an iMac, etc. Opening or modifying these parts will void your warranty.

Right, but I was talking about upgrading the RAM in Macs which have RAM sockets as well as upgrading the hard drive in Mac which have SATA connections. I don’t like the new MacBook Pros because they don’t have user-upgradeable storage and RAM, the Solid State Drive upgrade prices are ridiculously high, and there’s no hard drive bay for a second internal hard drive- all additional storage has to be external.

 

[newellj]

That’s not what I’m talking about. A simple RAM upgrade really doesn’t count as a modification. It’s only a modification now because Apple’s soldering it to the board now. But RAM is RAM, no matter where it comes from; it’ll work just fine. A RAM upgrade from another vendor won’t wreck your Mac or void its warranty.

The other thing is, what if you get a Mac with the standard 8 gigabytes of RAM and a year or two down the road, you start needing more RAM? Then you have to buy a whole new Mac instead of just being able to upgrade the RAM for $80. Would you rather spend $1,200 or more on a new Mac or just $100 on a RAM upgrade?

Soldering in the RAM makes it so you can’t make your Mac last longer by upgrading the RAM, which forces you to buy a new Mac. So, instead of getting 10 years out of a Mac, you’ll get 2-5 years. That kind of defeats one of the biggest reasons for buying a Mac: Longevity. At that rate, you might as well just build a Hackintosh, but then you have to do a lot of hacks and you have to make sure not to get any OS updates before checking www.tonymacx86.com.

I have been buying and using Macs and PCs since the early 1980s, and I have done a lot of system upgrades. There is room for some difference of opinion here, but my experience has been that over time they mostly don't work out all that well over the long haul. There are too many components that are too interdependent. By the time I need more RAM, more often than not the CPU has become sluggish, the video is lagging, etc. Even if you replace all of these (which is never possible with a laptop), you encounter basic system architecture limitations on the motherboard. I hear what you're saying, but in real life, especially with laptops, spending money on RAM upgrades isn't likely to meaningfully prolong a good experience with the system because they are, in fact, systems.
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Apple removed the metal bracket and underfill to make the iPhone less durable than in the past.

You tell me:

Apple itself effectively conceded that the 6/6+ needed some redesign, which was addressed in the 6S/6S+ design.

Neither of my iP6 phones have this problem, but I'm going to be selling them because I'm not optimistic about the longevity of the iP6 design, but that doesn't mean I think there's some kind of conspiracy going on.

software-wise I don't think they like put code in there that slows down older models cause that would be found rather fast I would think by outsiders. I know for a fact though that older models do start to lag and stutter around 2 generations old, but I think it is due to more activities happening in the background or whatever just from new coding and apps (total coding noob so go with it as long as you get my meaning)

Which is not what Apple is doing considering that I just updated my work issued two year old iPhone 6 to iOS10 and it's working perfectly fine.

Completely agree, that has been my experience with both of my iPhone 6 phones.